http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...n-athletic


Good read from Pete Thamel, about the most plugged in guy around. I'd say go for it. What does either side have to lose? Plenty to gain.

Most American schools need quality opponents. Connecticut, Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, UCF, etc... should consider scheduling Wichita State and Illinois State. Perhaps, late in the season.

(03-17-2017 10:28 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...n-athletic


Good read from Pete Thamel, about the most plugged in guy around. I'd say go for it. What does either side have to lose? Plenty to gain.

“The gap is going to get bigger than smaller,” VCU athletic director Ed McLaughlin said. “You have to be on the right side of the divide when the big divide comes.”

Makes me think VCU would actually be interested in joining along with Wichita if we did go with a multi-team expansion.

(03-17-2017 10:28 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...n-athletic


Good read from Pete Thamel, about the most plugged in guy around. I'd say go for it. What does either side have to lose? Plenty to gain.

Ok, so I have a question, since I'm not the biggest basketball follower.

It says..."I just think there's a little bit of a movement, it seems, by the committee to squeeze out the non-Power Five." and "All signs point to Wichita moving up, for fear of being left out."

So...are the "Power Five" in basketball different than the Power Five in football? If not, are they moving up? Are there multiple tiers in basketball? The have to think that the Big East is one of the better conferences.

I have been on the fence about this add. But hopefully we just pull the trigger on this.

We need to improve basketball before we lose more bids as a league.

Invite Wichita out of the Valley and balance out the numbers in the AAC.

Then, figure out a scheduling arrangement or umbrella 'league' or whatever with the Atlantic 10. It's a really good hoops league that also gets the short end sometimes.

IMO, the day the BE teams bolted, Aresco should've absorbed the A10 into some sort of alliance.

(03-17-2017 11:41 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Invite Wichita out of the Valley and balance out the numbers in the AAC.

Then, figure out a scheduling arrangement or umbrella 'league' or whatever with the Atlantic 10. It's a really good hoops league that also gets the short end sometimes.

IMO, the day the BE teams bolted, Aresco should've absorbed the A10 into some sort of alliance.

An AAC/A10 Challenge fixes that.

(03-17-2017 11:09 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:28 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...n-athletic


Good read from Pete Thamel, about the most plugged in guy around. I'd say go for it. What does either side have to lose? Plenty to gain.

Ok, so I have a question, since I'm not the biggest basketball follower.

It says..."I just think there's a little bit of a movement, it seems, by the committee to squeeze out the non-Power Five." and "All signs point to Wichita moving up, for fear of being left out."

So...are the "Power Five" in basketball different than the Power Five in football? If not, are they moving up? Are there multiple tiers in basketball? The have to think that the Big East is one of the better conferences.

For me there is a power 6 in basketball with the big East along with the power 5.

We are on the tier with the wcc and a10 as conferences that usually get multiple bids but aren't considered good. The divide will be after our group where you get to the conferences that would generally never get multiple bids.

(03-17-2017 11:50 AM)PirateJP Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:41 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Invite Wichita out of the Valley and balance out the numbers in the AAC.

Then, figure out a scheduling arrangement or umbrella 'league' or whatever with the Atlantic 10. It's a really good hoops league that also gets the short end sometimes.

IMO, the day the BE teams bolted, Aresco should've absorbed the A10 into some sort of alliance.

An AAC/A10 Challenge fixes that.

Possibly, but I'd like it to be even more in-depth.

American teams have to schedule at least 2 A10 per year and vice versa and there has to be some valid crossover - you can't just schedule UMass and Dusquese or whoever for 2 wins.

And you ALWAYS get 1 home, 1 road.

Lastly, ALWAYS play one early OOC and one late in the year to break up the league monotony.

Etc.

(03-17-2017 11:09 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:28 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...n-athletic


Good read from Pete Thamel, about the most plugged in guy around. I'd say go for it. What does either side have to lose? Plenty to gain.

Ok, so I have a question, since I'm not the biggest basketball follower.

It says..."I just think there's a little bit of a movement, it seems, by the committee to squeeze out the non-Power Five." and "All signs point to Wichita moving up, for fear of being left out."

So...are the "Power Five" in basketball different than the Power Five in football? If not, are they moving up? Are there multiple tiers in basketball? The have to think that the Big East is one of the better conferences.

"While the Big East makes sense for basketball, league officials there have been adamant about not expanding. There would also be little interest on the television side because of the value of the Big East's contract with Fox"

This ^^^ here tells me tv networks are not interested in basketball only conferences anymore... Not enough content to distribute for tv viewers.

Football always drives the bus.

VCU vs. SMU in late February would've been good basketball.

The problem is that most of the G5s are terrified of appearance - they don't want to appear as equals to other G5 schools and they definitely don't want to possibly lose to them.

But in reality, the top schools - Nevada, New Mexico State, Wichita, San Diego State, VCU, Dayton, Cincinnati, SMU now and others that are usually there like Memphis or UConn, etc...should all play each other OOC and boost that RPI/KenPom and SOS.

They just need the heads of the leagues/institutions to sit down with an expert and figure out how to best accomplish that.

Which teams should play each other going into each year.

In lieu of the league commissioner's doing work, the heads of each school should do it instead.

I wish our AD was proactive. I love what New Mexico and New Mexico State do to schedule each other - in different leagues, so they play home and home each year anyway.

I'd love to have a home and home in the same season with Illinois State next year. Or whoever projects to be pretty good.

Stupid basketball season talk. Doesn't move the needle

(03-17-2017 12:00 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:50 AM)PirateJP Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:41 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Invite Wichita out of the Valley and balance out the numbers in the AAC.

Then, figure out a scheduling arrangement or umbrella 'league' or whatever with the Atlantic 10. It's a really good hoops league that also gets the short end sometimes.

IMO, the day the BE teams bolted, Aresco should've absorbed the A10 into some sort of alliance.

An AAC/A10 Challenge fixes that.

Possibly, but I'd like it to be even more in-depth.

American teams have to schedule at least 2 A10 per year and vice versa and there has to be some valid crossover - you can't just schedule UMass and Dusquese or whoever for 2 wins.

And you ALWAYS get 1 home, 1 road.

Lastly, ALWAYS play one early OOC and one late in the year to break up the league monotony.

Etc.

I don't see UConn going for mandatory away games at A-10 schools. They're going to want as much autonomy in OOC scheduling as possible in order to get as many name-brand opponents as they can. Being forced to play an away game against the Bonnies doesn't help that any and just hammers home the "left behind" aspect for the men's program after the football/basketball split.

We played Xavier in late Jan. this year but that is driven by TV. When UC is home ESPN has the game late and when X is home Fox schedules it in Dec. Don't know how many late season games would be good enough for late season TV.

(03-17-2017 12:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Stupid basketball season talk. Doesn't move the needle

Football is king

(03-17-2017 12:04 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:09 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:28 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...n-athletic


Good read from Pete Thamel, about the most plugged in guy around. I'd say go for it. What does either side have to lose? Plenty to gain.

Ok, so I have a question, since I'm not the biggest basketball follower.

It says..."I just think there's a little bit of a movement, it seems, by the committee to squeeze out the non-Power Five." and "All signs point to Wichita moving up, for fear of being left out."

So...are the "Power Five" in basketball different than the Power Five in football? If not, are they moving up? Are there multiple tiers in basketball? The have to think that the Big East is one of the better conferences.

"While the Big East makes sense for basketball, league officials there have been adamant about not expanding. There would also be little interest on the television side because of the value of the Big East's contract with Fox"

This ^^^ here tells me tv networks are not interested in basketball only conferences anymore... Not enough content to distribute for tv viewers.

Football always drives the bus.

Im not sure that's what its saying. I think its saying that there is little interest in adding more teams to Big East at $4 million a pop. Its an acknowledgement that the Big East contract is probably maxed out (and might not see that level next time around). I think if FOX knew what was going to happen, they would have rather have had the deal ESPN got (the AAC for 2 million per team).

Please make this happen. We need to add the Shockers...

(03-17-2017 12:04 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:09 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:28 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...n-athletic


Good read from Pete Thamel, about the most plugged in guy around. I'd say go for it. What does either side have to lose? Plenty to gain.

Ok, so I have a question, since I'm not the biggest basketball follower.

It says..."I just think there's a little bit of a movement, it seems, by the committee to squeeze out the non-Power Five." and "All signs point to Wichita moving up, for fear of being left out."

So...are the "Power Five" in basketball different than the Power Five in football? If not, are they moving up? Are there multiple tiers in basketball? The have to think that the Big East is one of the better conferences.

"While the Big East makes sense for basketball, league officials there have been adamant about not expanding. There would also be little interest on the television side because of the value of the Big East's contract with Fox"

This ^^^ here tells me tv networks are not interested in basketball only conferences anymore... Not enough content to distribute for tv viewers.

Football always drives the bus.

The problem is that TV doesn't appear particularly interested in G5 conferences either. Given how much the Big East makes per school, I'm not surprised Fox doesn't want to shell out almost $5 million a year for the third-most nationally relevant school in a state of less than 3 million people. Paying a non-football share in a G5 conference of a full share in a non-BE non-football conference is much more realistic.

The more I think about it---the more adding Wichita, VCU, and Dayton makes a lot of sense. That would create a extremely deep AAC basketball league that delivers 4 bids in DOWN years. It might average around 6 bids a year over time.

(03-17-2017 12:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 12:04 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:09 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:28 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...n-athletic


Good read from Pete Thamel, about the most plugged in guy around. I'd say go for it. What does either side have to lose? Plenty to gain.

Ok, so I have a question, since I'm not the biggest basketball follower.

It says..."I just think there's a little bit of a movement, it seems, by the committee to squeeze out the non-Power Five." and "All signs point to Wichita moving up, for fear of being left out."

So...are the "Power Five" in basketball different than the Power Five in football? If not, are they moving up? Are there multiple tiers in basketball? The have to think that the Big East is one of the better conferences.

"While the Big East makes sense for basketball, league officials there have been adamant about not expanding. There would also be little interest on the television side because of the value of the Big East's contract with Fox"

This ^^^ here tells me tv networks are not interested in basketball only conferences anymore... Not enough content to distribute for tv viewers.

Football always drives the bus.

Im not sure that's what its saying. I think its saying that there is little interest in adding more teams to Big East at $4 million a pop. Its an acknowledgement that the Big East contract is probably maxed out (and might not see that level next time around). I think if FOX knew what was going to happen, they would have rather have had the deal ESPN got (the AAC for 2 million per team).

... but even if FOX would've been interested in the AAC, this league's best alliance was with ESPN. Why?!? The AAC needed equity improvement asap.