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Biggest Threat to UAB football and basketball is occuring
No not Ray Watts at this time But the federal budget cutback in research. UAB athletic operating budget of rounded 30 million is funded roughly 10 million in revenues, 5 million from students and 15 million from presidents discretionary fund(PDF). The PDF primary source of revenue is indirect cost recovery - roughly 45 cents for each dollar of federal grant for overhead. For example, Harvard with a 65,000 a year janitor they lose money but 10 a hour UAB janitors we make money. PDF also funds a lot of the Campus building

According to the article the proposed budget could cut $ 65 million from UAB research dollars. A few years ago would translate to about 15 million drop in PDF. (after real expenses)

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index....river_home

The good news is that a proposed budget is not yet passed. We also have time because grants usually last for years. The bad news is the cap on spending will at a minimum survive Ray Watts. But if we do not increase revenues in football and Basketball we can expect cut backs.

This could end the dreams of an OCS, 45new basketball facilities or even the budget necessary for a better league. I predicted the SOM pressure on the budget that led to unexpected Ray Watts debacle but in the long run this may be worse because it is based on reality
(This post was last modified: 03-17-2017 11:30 AM by uabbean.)
03-17-2017 10:24 AM
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i think you are taking the budget to the extreme. We all know if we want anything in athletics it will have to come from private money anyway. .
03-17-2017 10:52 AM
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We are paying for facilities out of our own pockets. Agree with 4th down.
Supposed budget cuts have nothing to do with how much we donate to run football bowling rifle and fund new facilities. They said you want it you pay for it and we are.
03-17-2017 10:58 AM
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AB and 4th down - you are right of course - no new support could be expected from the current reign for capital budget/facilities that why I mentioned operating budget. However the reason I mentioned the new league and the OCS both are dependent on increased operating revenues that may in the future needed to maintain or prevent decreases to our current budget. Basketball I am aware of no fundraising current or even planned but they should have not been included

Perhaps I should have kept to the harder to envision examples of increases for coaches salaries or to say hire a basketball coach or reward Bill Clark or recruiting budgets.

In the near term future even go to Athletics for cuts. Remember we currently have a much higher budget than most of CUSA. The SOM IMHO will not be happy with additional budget cuts without "the athletic budget increases being rolled back like the rest of UAB" (from powerful research doc)
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RE: Biggest Threat to UAB football and basketball is occuring
The whole state government in Alabama operates on the substantial $3 back from Uncle Sam for each $1 paid to him. If these dollars are cut, the unforeseen consequences could be great unanticipated cuts throughout all levels of the Alabama public school system and show up in many areas.

Just last month, this state's infrastructure requests were zeroed out of the federal budget for road building and maintenance. Is this a message to our state power brokers? The recently announced new budget cuts medical research funding and other educational investment spending.

Can we realistically expect that Washington's new and Alabama's continued (down $500 million from the SETF since 2007) cut backs won't have any effect on how state universities spend their scarce funding? Our UAB athletic programs do not operate in an untouchable sphere within the university. If financial pain from federal and state cuts is felt by an important part of the whole, can we expect the administration to ignore it in our favor?
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We are funding the operating budget for football bowling and rifle as well. They can't take away what they are not giving. Our threat is Jr Finis and Espy. Most of us know why we were shut down.
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(03-17-2017 12:03 PM)uabbean Wrote:  In the near term future even go to Athletics for cuts. Remember we currently have a much higher budget than most of CUSA. The SOM IMHO will not be happy with additional budget cuts without "the athletic budget increases being rolled back like the rest of UAB" (from powerful research doc)

It's pretty much impossible to overstate the disdain of some powerful research docs for athletics and jealousy over every dollar (even the donated ones). Not all - it was the SOM that moved the Motion of No Confidence against Ray L. Watts and SOM senators heroically defied back-door pressure. But again: even the donated dollars are the object of jealousy.

Our Rep, Gary Palmer, actually sits on BOTH the Budget and Science, Space and Technology committees. He does not strike me as one very aware of much outside movement ideology. We would probably do well to prepare an informational campaign to make sure he understands what is at stake here for his district and his continued employment in that great DC gig. This is a pressure point we can affect.

Our state-level reps of all parties (except that one chick with the grudge for getting fired) stood up for Birmingham and UAB: Jabo and Roger Smitherman were heroic. Palmer must do the same. Big Luther is not our friend. Shelby appears to have entered later-stage dementia. Palmer is going to have to be our instrument.
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(03-17-2017 12:43 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  We are funding the operating budget for football bowling and rifle as well. They can't take away what they are not giving. Our threat is Jr Finis and Espy. Most of us know why we were shut down.

In the Bean scenario, we would be forced to roughly double that budget load to cover a huge portion of the departmental overhead on top of football, bowling and rifle.

He is absolutely correct that this is an enormous danger.
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& who is to say that UAB doesn't need to clean up some crap outside of athletics as a university anyway?

Whatever happened to the looking at all departments for efficiency deal by Watts?

Isn't it funny how the Campaign For UAB now includes UAB Athletics stuff in it?

Wonder why?

Because they were losing their asses when they made the previous decisions.

No, you don't have to worry about them cutting athletics anytime soon.

You still have to worry though about idiots like Mark.
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(03-17-2017 01:07 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  Whatever happened to the looking at all departments for efficiency deal by Watts?

Well, he did take care of the Clean Air Initiative just like Drummond wanted.

Kind of hard to look for efficiency when you have so many enemies who need to be rooted out. Priorities!
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