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RE: Biggest Threat to UAB football and basketball is occuring
+1 The Dragon and Frenchy.
03-20-2017 12:31 PM
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RE: Biggest Threat to UAB football and basketball is occuring
"One man's trash is another man's treasure" applies as well to research programs. Much basic research is very prosaic - unexciting and boring in telling - but can have major payoff in applications ("this ingredient was found in jellyfish" drug ad).

All this ASSUMES that all state university research is funded by federal and private grants equally, but when Congress votes money it does so with an eye to helping get their party's candidates elected next time. Alabama will be competing for funding with other (red?) states anxious to improve their own share of these funds. Some states will get cut more than others, not necessarily to our liking.
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03-20-2017 12:44 PM
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I'm not convinced Trump gets out of the first year intact. If the Congress gets really aggressive he's got plenty of wiggle room now to pad the budget with goodies and get them to back off
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RE: Biggest Threat to UAB football and basketball is occuring
Trump can propose a budget that changes the face of the Statue of Liberty to his own face and then covers the statue in gold leaf. It does not matter what his budget says, any more than it did what Obama's budgets said. What matters is the budget bill that Congress actually passes. They know that there will be another election in 2018, and there are plenty of them who don't want some of this nonsense hung around their neck while their primary and general election opponents throw rotting fruit at them.

What makes it tough for some of them is that the fruit will come from both directions. Navigating their course is going to get interesting.
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03-20-2017 02:08 PM
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RE: Biggest Threat to UAB football and basketball is occuring
Most of you guys haven't been on the inside. First, Frenchy's dismissal of basic science research is incredibly disappointing. My old department does a ton of that kind of research and they're not just "killing rats" and wasting money. They're doing research into MS, alzheimers, and more. Secondly, if you aren't burning up your phone to your representatives to stop even one penny of decrease in federal funding to UAB, you should just delete your account here and go home. The medical side will eat the west end alive, and at that point the Tuscaloosa crowd will have their cover to do what they want.

Don't think that a covered pavilion means that UAB football is now invulnerable.
03-20-2017 02:25 PM
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RE: Biggest Threat to UAB football and basketball is occuring
(03-20-2017 09:42 AM)the Dragon Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 09:20 AM)linus Wrote:  This is why I've suggested for years that we raise money to endow the scholarships for a two or three of the biggest bleeders in "Olympic" (i.e. non revenue) sports. A small investment (in comparison to football and hoops) could pay large dividends

Who is bleeding? The scholarships in those programs are often covered by walk-ons. Of course, university accounting doesn't consider that. It assumes that if the program went away, those walk-ons would still be students at UAB. When Football, Bowling, and Rifle went away, we saw freshmen enrollment drop considerably. We didn't just lose those scholarship athletes. We lost the walk-ons, prospective band members, prospective cheerleaders, and just regular students who wanted a football program.

try telling that to the BOT or Fat Ray.
03-20-2017 09:10 PM
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I think the BOT & Fat Ray got the message when enrollment dropped & funding for the Campaign For UAB dried up.
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(03-20-2017 09:10 PM)linus Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 09:42 AM)the Dragon Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 09:20 AM)linus Wrote:  This is why I've suggested for years that we raise money to endow the scholarships for a two or three of the biggest bleeders in "Olympic" (i.e. non revenue) sports. A small investment (in comparison to football and hoops) could pay large dividends

Who is bleeding? The scholarships in those programs are often covered by walk-ons. Of course, university accounting doesn't consider that. It assumes that if the program went away, those walk-ons would still be students at UAB. When Football, Bowling, and Rifle went away, we saw freshmen enrollment drop considerably. We didn't just lose those scholarship athletes. We lost the walk-ons, prospective band members, prospective cheerleaders, and just regular students who wanted a football program.

try telling that to the BOT or Fat Ray.

They know it very well.
03-21-2017 01:18 PM
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RE: Biggest Threat to UAB football and basketball is occuring
The question about consequences of financial decisions always revolves around the priorities of those making the final decisions. If their priorities don't suffer from what appears to be bad decisions to some, it might not matter to them what others see as a disaster. This is true whether the decision maker is federal, state or local in power. Such power brokers are willing to inflict damage on whatever they consider acceptable or expendable. They don't care as long as THEIR objectives remain unaffected or at least protected.

Killing UAB football was such a decision that the BOT and their "hired gun" felt was worth the costs to the school, the local economy and the state. When things like public perception of the UA System BOT and the UAB administration caused financial losses, the sports were reinstated -- on a trial basis.
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