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RE: Biggest Threat to UAB football and basketball is occuring
Like others have said the current contribution from the university is capped and will not increase. It's important to remember that football hasn't generated ANY revenue for more than 2 years now. Those of us that are paying the freight for football operations currently made 5 year commitments so there will be significant overlap between those commitments and football generating significant revenue. I feel safe in saying that the next 2 academic years will be by far the biggest revenue years football has ever seen.

The take home for the east end of campus from the last 2+ years is that when you bite a porcupine you get a mouthful of quills. The Campaign for UAB actually started contracting as people cancelled their gifts. They can either be the beneficiary of all the good will that football has generated (not to mention cash) or they can be seen as the ones trying to undercut it. If I'm a researcher I'm doing everything I can to make sure the west side is successful because it just makes good business sense.
03-17-2017 02:34 PM
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uabbean, you say no new support can be expected... well they already made that a law. University funding will not increase beyond the current level. All the facilities that were promised to the athletic programs should be covered within the current level of giving, according to the "Carr Report" since FB&R was brought back at the expense of donors. Also does your $30M take into account the new giving through for FB&R?
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(03-17-2017 12:43 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  We are funding the operating budget for football bowling and rifle as well. They can't take away what they are not giving.
totally true but totally irreverent. If the whole athletic budget including administration and overhead and womens sports is cut-almost all ADs (even incompetent ones) would more than likely cut the largest department as well. Plus most of us are still more than football fans.


(03-17-2017 12:43 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Our threat is Jr Finis and Espy. Most of us know why we were shut down.
I agree do not trust them. But you can have more than one threat. UAB athletics can no longer be expected to be exempt from real world finances (since Carol left)
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(03-17-2017 02:34 PM)biglizard Wrote:  Like others have said the current contribution from the university is capped and will not increase. . . . I feel safe in saying that the next 2 academic years will be by far the biggest revenue years football has ever seen.

Correct. What I believe concerns the Bean is this scenario: "Football has brought in an additional $4 million? Excellent, we can reduce the presidential subsidy by $4 million." Or more. The subsidy is capped, but Bean appears to fear it being reduced to a level below the cap.

That federal budget proposal is unlikely to survive in its current form, but the desire for deep cuts in research funding is now on the table. We should be prepared to counter it, via pressure on Palmer. If a real budget proposal (a full one, not an outline like this one) comes out with deep NIH cuts, we need to be ready to make our displeasure known and see that if it can't be reversed, it targets someone else. We have a Rep of the ruling party who's on the right committees and we need to cash that chip in when the time comes.

Second, Ray Watts will be gone relatively soon, to take his retirement parachute back to Park Slope where he can garden and Ravi can bake cookies for him. We will want to be sure that the next president is well aware of the vital role athletics played in restoring the crashing Campaign for UAB.

We have won great victories. But our work is not complete. The Bean's warning shouldn't be laughed off.
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biglizard Wrote:
Like others have said the current contribution from the university is capped and will not increase. . . . I feel safe in saying that the next 2 academic years will be by far the biggest revenue years football has ever seen.

Correct. What I believe concerns the Bean is this scenario: "Football has brought in an additional $4 million? Excellent, we can reduce the presidential subsidy by $4 million." Or more. The subsidy is capped, but Bean appears to fear it being reduced to a level below the cap.


While I understand the argument there "rubber meets the road" issues such as Title IX that would make any cuts very difficult. Heck if football brings in 30 mil a year I'll carry any returned subsidy down University Blvd back down to Ray's office in pennies myself. I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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(03-17-2017 03:09 PM)58-56 Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 02:34 PM)biglizard Wrote:  Like others have said the current contribution from the university is capped and will not increase. . . . I feel safe in saying that the next 2 academic years will be by far the biggest revenue years football has ever seen.

Correct. What I believe concerns the Bean is this scenario: "Football has brought in an additional $4 million? Excellent, we can reduce the presidential subsidy by $4 million." Or more. The subsidy is capped, but Bean appears to fear it being reduced to a level below the cap.

That federal budget proposal is unlikely to survive in its current form, but the desire for deep cuts in research funding is now on the table. We should be prepared to counter it, via pressure on Palmer. If a real budget proposal (a full one, not an outline like this one) comes out with deep NIH cuts, we need to be ready to make our displeasure known and see that if it can't be reversed, it targets someone else. We have a Rep of the ruling party who's on the right committees and we need to cash that chip in when the time comes.

Second, Ray Watts will be gone relatively soon, to take his retirement parachute back to Park Slope where he can garden and Ravi can bake cookies for him. We will want to be sure that the next president is well aware of the vital role athletics played in restoring the crashing Campaign for UAB.

We have won great victories. But our work is not complete. The Bean's warning shouldn't be laughed off.

The fight over who suffers most or least from the budget cuts now being brought up may illustrate Alabama's census problems coming in 2020. Palmer may be a good Representative, but it may be that his district is the one sacrificed to cut from 7 to 6 if census projections hold up. Since no Republican likely wants to add large numbers of District 7 Democrats to his/her district, one of their own must be sacrificed. Add to that the growth of other states in Congress and you may see Alabama being cut the most.

The reduction from 9 to 8 took Rep. Boykin of Mobile out and Brookley AFB was soon closed. After we dropped from 8 to 7, Fort McClellan was closed. That is the way politics in America works for states that lose representatives in Congress. Money to curry favor goes to other states - and their universities. There are schools in TX, GA, N & S CAR, FL and such "licking their chops" over having more federal money come their way as their representation grows at the expense of "rust belt" states and Alabama, the ONLY Sunbelt state projected to lose in Congress.
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(03-17-2017 04:32 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Palmer may be a good Representative

Probably not, but he's the instrument of influence that we have (to be fair, this district has not had an effective Rep in many decades).

UAB needs federal research funding. By extension, healthy grant income helps athletics by securing the subsidy (chiefly in terms of internal politics). We therefore want to see healthy grant income. If Palmer needs encouragement to fight for it, then we encourage - federal agencies know how to play the game, and they know an unhappy Rep in the right committee is a bad thing to have out there.

The proposed budget will change radically, and likely the research cuts will be greatly lessened. If they're not, we have a pressure point to squeeze: if a couple dozen lefties led by a househusband who married a hotel heiress can make him pee in his pants, what #FreeUAB can deliver will be a massive 03-nutkick

Gerrymandering is irrelevant. If UAB is in someone else's district in 2022, then we'll pressure that person.

To secure our gains, we need to make the politicians who supposedly represent us see Green before red, blue, crimson or orange. The Green Revolution has only begun.
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This is just the first stage of proposed cuts. They really have the knives out for science and research.
03-18-2017 03:20 PM
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The Trump Administration has made an increase in military spending its main priority. These increases will be at the expense of "liberal agenda" programs like the NIH, EPA, Agriculture (which administers the Federal School Lunch programs), etc. The "Guns vs Butter" debate will probably turn on a call for PATRIOTISM in the form of acquiescence to military "needs".

America can have whatever size military it wants to pay for, but whose federal "ox is going to be gored" to make the money available? The administration says it wants larger military spending while reducing taxes on Americans and their businesses.

Remember you don't just get a soldier for 5 or 6 years (enlistment), you get him/her for life as a (entitled) veteran along with their families and full retirement after only 20 years of service. For many low income families, it is almost the only job offering full family medical coverage for life for a person with only a high school diploma. About one in seven ever gets placed in a combat situation.

UAB is at greater risk because Alabama is barely able to pay for anything it wants without depending on federal money or incurring billion $$ bond debt (see prisons).

As to which Congressional district UAB is in, where is the line between Terri Sewell's 7th and Palmer's 6th? Her district runs west to east through B'ham to the Kingston area at the airport. Of course, BOTH have good reasons to be favorable to UAB's welfare, and UAB has many Medicaid patients (70% at Children's).
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