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(03-17-2017 09:32 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Title IX has killed Wrestling...that is too bad.

I think wrestling's core is solid enough. Wish the sport had more schools, but the B1G schools, eastern Ivies and Patriots, PSAC schools, and Great Plains schools (Big XII + Mizzo + NIU) will likely never give it up. The ACC schools that sponsor the sport are becoming gradually better too.

Syracuse not having either wrestling or ice hockey - that's unfortunate. I'd think Syracuse would become rather successful at both in short-order (see Penn State hockey as an analogy).
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(03-16-2017 11:19 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  (4) the MAC (which includes Missouri and Northern Iowa as affiliates).

You left ODU out as affiliates of the MAC. And its not like were bottom feeders.
03-17-2017 12:13 PM
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(03-16-2017 11:33 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  Wrestling is ultimately an individual sport.

Duels are nice and all, and are fun for the fans. But determining a "team championship" via Duels, I'd argue, is just as contrived as what is currently done.

Duals are wrestling. That's the base unit of wrestling competition.

Individual tournaments are the part that's "for fun", or more importantly, to bolster the number of matches that wrestlers get in a season.


The MN high school state tournament has both components: a dual meet tournament for the top team in each section, and an individual tournament for the top individuals in each weight class.

That's what it should be.
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(03-17-2017 12:13 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 11:19 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  (4) the MAC (which includes Missouri and Northern Iowa as affiliates).

You left ODU out as affiliates of the MAC. And its not like were bottom feeders.

Didn't say you were.
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(03-17-2017 12:43 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Duals are wrestling. That's the base unit of wrestling competition.

Individual tournaments are the part that's "for fun", or more importantly, to bolster the number of matches that wrestlers get in a season.


The MN high school state tournament has both components: a dual meet tournament for the top team in each section, and an individual tournament for the top individuals in each weight class.

That's what it should be.

Fair enough. But at least for this year, there's no real argument who the team Champion is. It's definitely not a function of format.

Five individuals National Champions for Penn State --- they would have been close to winning a duel against "the best of the rest" this year!
03-18-2017 10:42 PM
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I loved it when Terry Brands told Clark to throw him!!! Classic Brands! They picked me up and drove me to the Dan Gable wrestling camp when I was a kid in Iowa when they were (Tom and Terry) freshman. Great guys..
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(03-18-2017 10:42 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:43 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Duals are wrestling. That's the base unit of wrestling competition.

Individual tournaments are the part that's "for fun", or more importantly, to bolster the number of matches that wrestlers get in a season.


The MN high school state tournament has both components: a dual meet tournament for the top team in each section, and an individual tournament for the top individuals in each weight class.

That's what it should be.

Fair enough. But at least for this year, there's no real argument who the team Champion is. It's definitely not a function of format.

Five individuals National Champions for Penn State --- they would have been close to winning a duel against "the best of the rest" this year!

I can't believe how dominant Penn St was the past few days....Getting all those pins at this level is just unbelievable. Martinez of Illinois was a 2 time NCAA champion. To get thrown and pinned like that in a 1 point difference match with 45 seconds left is unheard of.
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Yeah ... no real argument from me: Penn St would've won a national dual tournament this year.

I'm surprised there isn't already such a tournament held outside the NCAA championship, sponsored by the coach's organization or something to that effect. A "True Team" tournament.
03-19-2017 10:33 AM
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(03-19-2017 10:33 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Yeah ... no real argument from me: Penn St would've won a national dual tournament this year.

I'm surprised there isn't already such a tournament held outside the NCAA championship, sponsored by the coach's organization or something to that effect. A "True Team" tournament.

They stopped it. For decades they had "The National Duals"....another big dual tourney that was the unofficial dual championship for years was the "Virginia Duals." I'm the board expert on college wrestling. Been going to NCAA tournaments, dual meets etc all over the country for 37 years. My Dad is friends with John Smith and Dan Gable. Gables family and my Mom's family were close in Waterloo since Dan was a kid in the 60's.

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