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RE: Virginia Beach arena update
(01-17-2018 08:52 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 08:14 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  The Light Rail was no worse than any other project VB has wasted money on. I loved Sessoms pretending that VB was in the running for Amazon's new HQ when one of their main criteria was robust public transport.

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What are some "other projects VB has wasted money on"? I swear some people ***** about VB just because it's cool. Fact is it's one of the best places to live in the entire US. Does that mean they get everything right? No, but they sure get a lot more right than they get wrong.

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Moving city hall comes to mind. Also building Town Center and not providing good public transportation to it. Also this oceanfront arena woth no parking. Va Beach is a fine place to live and it has the best schools in Hampton Roads. However the city government is as spineless and short sighted as anywhere else when it comes to future development.

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RE: Virginia Beach arena update
The city tried public transportation. Residents shut down
01-18-2018 09:29 PM
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RE: Virginia Beach arena update
(01-18-2018 09:08 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 08:52 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 08:14 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  The Light Rail was no worse than any other project VB has wasted money on. I loved Sessoms pretending that VB was in the running for Amazon's new HQ when one of their main criteria was robust public transport.

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What are some "other projects VB has wasted money on"? I swear some people ***** about VB just because it's cool. Fact is it's one of the best places to live in the entire US. Does that mean they get everything right? No, but they sure get a lot more right than they get wrong.

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Moving city hall comes to mind. Also building Town Center and not providing good public transportation to it. Also this oceanfront arena woth no parking. Va Beach is a fine place to live and it has the best schools in Hampton Roads. However the city government is as spineless and short sighted as anywhere else when it comes to future development.

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VBs problem is it was created specifically to NOT be a city. Princess Anne County wanted to remain mostly rural and didnt appreciate the urban area (ie:Norfolk) annexing land and encroaching on them. So PA merged with the beach town of VB, becoming a "city" in name only, to stop encroachment and so they would not become part of the actual urban city. That is the foundation of VB and that line of thinking is slow to go away. IMO, a good thing for VB would be to split into two "cities" again. North of the green line and south of the green line. I think you'd see a lot more cooperation with the urban cities and north VB at that point because there are a lot of similarities and benefits that would come with that. Not so much in common with Pungo and Downtown, but there is with Town Center and Downtown, Aragona and Little Creek etc.
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RE: Virginia Beach arena update
(01-18-2018 09:08 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 08:52 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 08:14 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  The Light Rail was no worse than any other project VB has wasted money on. I loved Sessoms pretending that VB was in the running for Amazon's new HQ when one of their main criteria was robust public transport.

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What are some "other projects VB has wasted money on"? I swear some people ***** about VB just because it's cool. Fact is it's one of the best places to live in the entire US. Does that mean they get everything right? No, but they sure get a lot more right than they get wrong.

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Moving city hall comes to mind. Also building Town Center and not providing good public transportation to it. Also this oceanfront arena woth no parking. Va Beach is a fine place to live and it has the best schools in Hampton Roads. However the city government is as spineless and short sighted as anywhere else when it comes to future development.

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Wow. I don't even know where to start. Town Center is a raging success by any standard, I agree they should have made light rail happen. Hate on the Oceanfront all you like, I do a lot myself, but if you have been to many major east coast beach resort towns, VB is MUCH nicer than all of them. Parking at the beach is a pain in the ass... Just like every other place that attracts tons of people every day. Just for fun go look at how many people visit VB every year then divide it by the 100 days that people are actually visiting VB. You will be shocked at the number of people at the Oceanfront every day. And the city hall thing never happened. You can't get mad at them exploring options.

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RE: Virginia Beach arena update
(01-18-2018 09:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The city tried public transportation. Residents shut down
Also, the complaints about good public transportation and light rail are two different things. I agree light rail should have happened, but don't think for a second it could ever have provided good public transportation for VB. The sheer size of the city will always make public transportation undesirable to most people. VB has some absurd number of miles of road. I won't quote a number because I don't remember, but I was shocked when I heard it.

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RE: Virginia Beach arena update
(01-18-2018 09:42 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 09:08 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 08:52 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 08:14 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  The Light Rail was no worse than any other project VB has wasted money on. I loved Sessoms pretending that VB was in the running for Amazon's new HQ when one of their main criteria was robust public transport.

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What are some "other projects VB has wasted money on"? I swear some people ***** about VB just because it's cool. Fact is it's one of the best places to live in the entire US. Does that mean they get everything right? No, but they sure get a lot more right than they get wrong.

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Moving city hall comes to mind. Also building Town Center and not providing good public transportation to it. Also this oceanfront arena woth no parking. Va Beach is a fine place to live and it has the best schools in Hampton Roads. However the city government is as spineless and short sighted as anywhere else when it comes to future development.

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Wow. I don't even know where to start. Town Center is a raging success by any standard, I agree they should have made light rail happen. Hate on the Oceanfront all you like, I do a lot myself, but if you have been to many major east coast beach resort towns, VB is MUCH nicer than all of them. Parking at the beach is a pain in the ass... Just like every other place that attracts tons of people every day. Just for fun go look at how many people visit VB every year then divide it by the 100 days that people are actually visiting VB. You will be shocked at the number of people at the Oceanfront every day. And the city hall thing never happened. You can't get mad at them exploring options.

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I agree that Town Center has been successful, if for no other reason than it spurred redevelopment of Pembroke Mall. Its a bit "Disney" for my taste, but a nice addition to the area. Ive had some fun there occasionally. I would disagree about the oceanfront though. I love the beach, surfed for decades, fish.. love it, but VB is not one of the nicest on the east coast by a long shot. Most folks I know say VB and Atlantic City are two of the more trashy beaches on the Atlantic. Certainly the all of the Outer Banks, Folley Beach, Myrtle Beach, Ocean City, Rehoboth, Hilton Head, Cape May are better. VB is better than most of the Jersey and NY beaches.
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RE: Virginia Beach arena update
(01-18-2018 10:11 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 09:42 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 09:08 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 08:52 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 08:14 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  The Light Rail was no worse than any other project VB has wasted money on. I loved Sessoms pretending that VB was in the running for Amazon's new HQ when one of their main criteria was robust public transport.

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What are some "other projects VB has wasted money on"? I swear some people ***** about VB just because it's cool. Fact is it's one of the best places to live in the entire US. Does that mean they get everything right? No, but they sure get a lot more right than they get wrong.

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Moving city hall comes to mind. Also building Town Center and not providing good public transportation to it. Also this oceanfront arena woth no parking. Va Beach is a fine place to live and it has the best schools in Hampton Roads. However the city government is as spineless and short sighted as anywhere else when it comes to future development.

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Wow. I don't even know where to start. Town Center is a raging success by any standard, I agree they should have made light rail happen. Hate on the Oceanfront all you like, I do a lot myself, but if you have been to many major east coast beach resort towns, VB is MUCH nicer than all of them. Parking at the beach is a pain in the ass... Just like every other place that attracts tons of people every day. Just for fun go look at how many people visit VB every year then divide it by the 100 days that people are actually visiting VB. You will be shocked at the number of people at the Oceanfront every day. And the city hall thing never happened. You can't get mad at them exploring options.

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I agree that Town Center has been successful, if for no other reason than it spurred redevelopment of Pembroke Mall. Its a bit "Disney" for my taste, but a nice addition to the area. Ive had some fun there occasionally. I would disagree about the oceanfront though. I love the beach, surfed for decades, fish.. love it, but VB is not one of the nicest on the east coast by a long shot. Most folks I know say VB and Atlantic City are two of the more trashy beaches on the Atlantic. Certainly the all of the Outer Banks, Folley Beach, Myrtle Beach, Ocean City, Rehoboth, Hilton Head, Cape May are better. VB is better than most of the Jersey and NY beaches.
I would classify most of those beaches differently than VB. I think major beach resort cities are AC, Ocean City, VB, Myrtle. Out of those I think VB is the least trashy. The others I think of as beach towns. Hilton Head may be in line with my first group, and I would definitely agree that it is nicer than VB as far as vacationing goes.

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