Grant MaCasland heading to UNT. Last time I want to hear about this bull**** about coaches caring for "the kids" or the school they represent. All 99% of them care about is themselves and the almighty dollar. Sad to think that ASU's late season demise, may have been partly due to their coach being distracted by job offer out of North Texas.

I think you're generous with the 1% number who care.

(03-13-2017 01:07 PM)mjs Wrote:  Grant MaCasland heading to UNT. Last time I want to hear about this bull**** about coaches caring for "the kids" or the school they represent. All 99% of them care about is themselves and the almighty dollar. Sad to think that ASU's late season demise, may have been partly due to their coach being distracted by job offer out of North Texas.

Well now we know the exact reason ASU isn't playing in a postseason tournament!

However, if North Texas is going to pay more, etc., why shouldn't the ASU coach take the job? Wouldn't a Psychologist take a better paying job, in spite of the fact that he might care about his patients at his present job?

And you can't be serious in asserting that ASU not doing well down the stretch was partly due to their coach being distracted by a job offer. That is flat out absurd!

(03-13-2017 01:17 PM)PTJR Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 01:07 PM)mjs Wrote:  Grant MaCasland heading to UNT. Last time I want to hear about this bull**** about coaches caring for "the kids" or the school they represent. All 99% of them care about is themselves and the almighty dollar. Sad to think that ASU's late season demise, may have been partly due to their coach being distracted by job offer out of North Texas.

Well now we know the exact reason ASU isn't playing in a postseason tournament!

However, if North Texas is going to pay more, etc., why shouldn't the ASU coach take the job? Wouldn't a Psychologist take a better paying job, in spite of the fact that he might care about his patients at his present job?

And you can't be serious in asserting that ASU not doing well down the stretch was partly due to their coach being distracted by a job offer. That is flat out absurd!

I agree, it was likely a lot more than "partly" responsible for ASU dropping from the 2nd best team in the conference to losing to the 12th seed in the first round with a 10 day period. Certainly a much better explanation than the "tired legs" some fans were suggesting. Now they know the really answer. Karl is right, that it may be less than 1%, but I would like to think some people (coaches, psychologists, teachers, doctors, etc.) would make decisions on factors other than money. I would certainly like to believe that a caring psychologist or physician would think twice, about leaving patients that count on him/her, just to make a little more money. Coach McCasland was making 350K at ASU- I could like "squeeze" by on that and I doubt UNT would pay him a bunch more.

(03-13-2017 01:43 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 01:17 PM)PTJR Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 01:07 PM)mjs Wrote:  Grant MaCasland heading to UNT. Last time I want to hear about this bull**** about coaches caring for "the kids" or the school they represent. All 99% of them care about is themselves and the almighty dollar. Sad to think that ASU's late season demise, may have been partly due to their coach being distracted by job offer out of North Texas.

Well now we know the exact reason ASU isn't playing in a postseason tournament!

However, if North Texas is going to pay more, etc., why shouldn't the ASU coach take the job? Wouldn't a Psychologist take a better paying job, in spite of the fact that he might care about his patients at his present job?

And you can't be serious in asserting that ASU not doing well down the stretch was partly due to their coach being distracted by a job offer. That is flat out absurd!

I agree, it was likely a lot more than "partly" responsible for ASU dropping from the 2nd best team in the conference to losing to the 12th seed in the first round with a 10 day period. Certainly a much better explanation than the "tired legs" some fans were suggesting. Now they know the really answer. Karl is right, that it may be less than 1%, but I would like to think some people (coaches, psychologists, teachers, doctors, etc.) would make decisions on factors other than money. I would certainly like to believe that a caring psychologist or physician would think twice, about leaving patients that count on him/her, just to make a little more money. Coach McCasland was making 350K at ASU- I could like "squeeze" by on that and I doubt UNT would pay him a bunch more.

Since both ASU and UNT are public institutions we should at some point know the answer to the question of who was and is paying what. Having been to games at both ASU and UNT, I can't see much difference in facilities. CUSA and the SBC are about the same level in basketball, so that's probably not a stand alone factor. Other than possibly some unknown tension between McCasland and the AD and/or the ASU administration, what would motivate him to leave ASU for UNT other than a bunch more money?

Maybe they'll come after Flannigan. He's a hot commity right now. Probably on a lot of short lists. I'm surprised he's not already gone.

You can call it a 'lateral' move but if he gets paid the same $350K/yr. he'll be saving ~$23K in state income tax since Texas has none.

From SoA regular tax table... for $86K and over, your tax is $5,021 + 6.9% of the excess over $86K.

I think this was part of the reason Clint Conque took a 'lateral' to go to from UCA to SFA.

(03-13-2017 06:02 PM)TroJams Wrote:  You can call it a 'lateral' move but if he gets paid the same $350K/yr. he'll be saving ~$23K in state income tax since Texas has none.

From SoA regular tax table... for $86K and over, your tax is $5,021 + 6.9% of the excess over $86K.

I think this was part of the reason Clint Conque took a 'lateral' to go to from UCA to SFA.

If a coach makes a move, just to save some tax money, that is really sad. The reality is that ASU will be fine. They have a really solid AD and now have an extra 500K (Coach M's buyout) to use to hire a new coach. They may go after the NC Central Coach, who was a finalist last year, once again this time. Interesting to see if he holds a grudge for not getting the job last year.

(03-13-2017 07:34 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 06:02 PM)TroJams Wrote:  You can call it a 'lateral' move but if he gets paid the same $350K/yr. he'll be saving ~$23K in state income tax since Texas has none.

From SoA regular tax table... for $86K and over, your tax is $5,021 + 6.9% of the excess over $86K.

I think this was part of the reason Clint Conque took a 'lateral' to go to from UCA to SFA.

If a coach makes a move, just to save some tax money, that is really sad. The reality is that ASU will be fine. They have a really solid AD and now have an extra 500K (Coach M's buyout) to use to hire a new coach. They may go after the NC Central Coach, who was a finalist last year, once again this time. Interesting to see if he holds a grudge for not getting the job last year.

I agree that no coach worth much of anything would make a career move based on state income tax rates. I have heard from a decent source that the move was made to be closer to family. Apparently Dad is a pastor at some big Baptist Church in the Dallas Metroplex. Have also heard that the UNT money is about the same as the ASU money. Tough one to swallow for the Red Wolves.

(03-13-2017 08:36 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  And if Flannigan ever became a winner, his ass would be out of Dodge(LR)just as fast as "Two Guys and A Truck" can load his s**t.

It's worth noting that our decline started the very day we were about to play at Arlington and McCasland spent most of the day visiting family in Dallas. We were a completely different team beginning that fateful day in Arlington when we were tied with less than 3 minutes left, and took a few poor shots offensively to give them the win.

As for money. We offered him 400K per year, which is a 50K per year raise and an extension on his current contract. Story out of North Texas is that they are offering him way, way more than they paid Benford (375K) To be honest, I'm not sure where they are getting the money, plus his 500K buyout, but oh well.

I stopped worrying about losing coaches a long time ago. I trust Mohajir to make the right hire, that's all there is to it. I guess the only real shame is that another Men's basketball search means another year of ignoring the problems within our Women's Basketball and baseball programs. Both of whom need work in different areas.

(03-13-2017 10:13 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  It's worth noting that our decline started the very day we were about to play at Arlington and McCasland spent most of the day visiting family in Dallas. We were a completely different team beginning that fateful day in Arlington when we were tied with less than 3 minutes left, and took a few poor shots offensively to give them the win.

As for money. We offered him 400K per year, which is a 50K per year raise and an extension on his current contract. Story out of North Texas is that they are offering him way, way more than they paid Benford (375K) To be honest, I'm not sure where they are getting the money, plus his 500K buyout, but oh well.

I stopped worrying about losing coaches a long time ago. I trust Mohajir to make the right hire, that's all there is to it. I guess the only real shame is that another Men's basketball search means another year of ignoring the problems within our Women's Basketball and baseball programs. Both of whom need work in different areas.

Something about your basketball team changed, in the past couple of weeks, that was more than the "tired legs"excuse some of your fans used. Doesn't take a lot to throw off a basketball team. If McCasland, rather than being a 100% invested in his team, was 95% invested and 5% distracted, it could have made a huge difference in a a league where so many teams were very evenly matched.

(03-13-2017 02:21 PM)PTJR Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 01:43 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 01:17 PM)PTJR Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 01:07 PM)mjs Wrote:  Grant MaCasland heading to UNT. Last time I want to hear about this bull**** about coaches caring for "the kids" or the school they represent. All 99% of them care about is themselves and the almighty dollar. Sad to think that ASU's late season demise, may have been partly due to their coach being distracted by job offer out of North Texas.

Well now we know the exact reason ASU isn't playing in a postseason tournament!

However, if North Texas is going to pay more, etc., why shouldn't the ASU coach take the job? Wouldn't a Psychologist take a better paying job, in spite of the fact that he might care about his patients at his present job?

And you can't be serious in asserting that ASU not doing well down the stretch was partly due to their coach being distracted by a job offer. That is flat out absurd!

I agree, it was likely a lot more than "partly" responsible for ASU dropping from the 2nd best team in the conference to losing to the 12th seed in the first round with a 10 day period. Certainly a much better explanation than the "tired legs" some fans were suggesting. Now they know the really answer. Karl is right, that it may be less than 1%, but I would like to think some people (coaches, psychologists, teachers, doctors, etc.) would make decisions on factors other than money. I would certainly like to believe that a caring psychologist or physician would think twice, about leaving patients that count on him/her, just to make a little more money. Coach McCasland was making 350K at ASU- I could like "squeeze" by on that and I doubt UNT would pay him a bunch more.

Since both ASU and UNT are public institutions we should at some point know the answer to the question of who was and is paying what. Having been to games at both ASU and UNT, I can't see much difference in facilities. CUSA and the SBC are about the same level in basketball, so that's probably not a stand alone factor. Other than possibly some unknown tension between McCasland and the AD and/or the ASU administration, what would motivate him to leave ASU for UNT other than a bunch more money?

CUSA is awful basketball. The best you can say is that they get one team in like the SBC but the teams are just bad. UNT has no fan support and they are barely noticed by the people of Dallas. ASU will always be #1 in their community and draw more support despite having about 6 million fewer people.

Grant left to go back to Texas and close to his parents. I don't begrudge him that.

However, he was either (A) not as good as we thought since he lost 6 of the last 8 games or (B) mailed it in over the stretch run because he knew he was leaving.

Either of those explanations plus $500K makes it a lot easier to see him go.

(03-14-2017 03:33 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 02:21 PM)PTJR Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 01:43 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 01:17 PM)PTJR Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 01:07 PM)mjs Wrote:  Grant MaCasland heading to UNT. Last time I want to hear about this bull**** about coaches caring for "the kids" or the school they represent. All 99% of them care about is themselves and the almighty dollar. Sad to think that ASU's late season demise, may have been partly due to their coach being distracted by job offer out of North Texas.

Well now we know the exact reason ASU isn't playing in a postseason tournament!

However, if North Texas is going to pay more, etc., why shouldn't the ASU coach take the job? Wouldn't a Psychologist take a better paying job, in spite of the fact that he might care about his patients at his present job?

And you can't be serious in asserting that ASU not doing well down the stretch was partly due to their coach being distracted by a job offer. That is flat out absurd!

I agree, it was likely a lot more than "partly" responsible for ASU dropping from the 2nd best team in the conference to losing to the 12th seed in the first round with a 10 day period. Certainly a much better explanation than the "tired legs" some fans were suggesting. Now they know the really answer. Karl is right, that it may be less than 1%, but I would like to think some people (coaches, psychologists, teachers, doctors, etc.) would make decisions on factors other than money. I would certainly like to believe that a caring psychologist or physician would think twice, about leaving patients that count on him/her, just to make a little more money. Coach McCasland was making 350K at ASU- I could like "squeeze" by on that and I doubt UNT would pay him a bunch more.

Since both ASU and UNT are public institutions we should at some point know the answer to the question of who was and is paying what. Having been to games at both ASU and UNT, I can't see much difference in facilities. CUSA and the SBC are about the same level in basketball, so that's probably not a stand alone factor. Other than possibly some unknown tension between McCasland and the AD and/or the ASU administration, what would motivate him to leave ASU for UNT other than a bunch more money?

CUSA is awful basketball. The best you can say is that they get one team in like the SBC but the teams are just bad. UNT has no fan support and they are barely noticed by the people of Dallas. ASU will always be #1 in their community and draw more support despite having about 6 million fewer people.

Grant left to go back to Texas and close to his parents. I don't begrudge him that.

However, he was either (A) not as good as we thought since he lost 6 of the last 8 games or (B) mailed it in over the stretch run because he knew he was leaving.

Either of those explanations plus $500K makes it a lot easier to see him go.

Good point. If he had won 6 of 8, and an NCAA or NIT bid that would have gone with that, you would have felt a lot more like our fans did last year. A poor finish plus 500K eases the "pain" quite a bit. I have little doubt your AD will find a good coach.

(03-14-2017 03:33 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  CUSA is awful basketball. The best you can say is that they get one team in like the SBC but the teams are just bad. UNT has no fan support and they are barely noticed by the people of Dallas. ASU will always be #1 in their community and draw more support despite having about 6 million fewer people.

Grant left to go back to Texas and close to his parents. I don't begrudge him that.

However, he was either (A) not as good as we thought since he lost 6 of the last 8 games or (B) mailed it in over the stretch run because he knew he was leaving.

Either of those explanations plus $500K makes it a lot easier to see him go.

I have no idea what happened, and I do know coaches, and I doubt it was because he mailed it in because he was leaving. Every coach wants to win, and they want the best record they can achieve. No coach is going to mail it in, even if they do know they are leaving. Say a coach is fired before the end of the season, but he's going to finish out the year. He's gonna try his dead level best to win, right down to the last minute of the last game
.

(03-14-2017 04:12 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 03:33 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  CUSA is awful basketball. The best you can say is that they get one team in like the SBC but the teams are just bad. UNT has no fan support and they are barely noticed by the people of Dallas. ASU will always be #1 in their community and draw more support despite having about 6 million fewer people.

Grant left to go back to Texas and close to his parents. I don't begrudge him that.

However, he was either (A) not as good as we thought since he lost 6 of the last 8 games or (B) mailed it in over the stretch run because he knew he was leaving.

Either of those explanations plus $500K makes it a lot easier to see him go.

I have no idea what happened, and I do know coaches, and I doubt it was because he mailed it in because he was leaving. Every coach wants to win, and they want the best record they can achieve. No coach is going to mail it in, even if they do know they are leaving. Say a coach is fired before the end of the season, but he's going to finish out the year. He's gonna try his dead level best to win, right down to the last minute of the last game
.

"mailed it in" may be too strong. I would just say he was distracted and had other things on his mind as the season wound down. Probably truly believed he was giving it 100%, but I doubt that is possible when someone is mulling a crucial career decision.

(03-14-2017 03:48 PM)mjs Wrote:  CUSA is awful basketball. The best you can say is that they get one team in like the SBC but the teams are just bad. UNT has no fan support and they are barely noticed by the people of Dallas. ASU will always be #1 in their community and draw more support despite having about 6 million fewer people.


Good point. If he had won 6 of 8, and an NCAA or NIT bid that would have gone with that, you would have felt a lot more like our fans did last year. A poor finish plus 500K eases the "pain" quite a bit. I have little doubt your AD will find a good coach.

We had an even worse finish, and no 500K to ease our pain. Has ASU got a better AD than we do? If so, why in the hell didn't he find a better coach than Flannigan? Why? He didn't even look.