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RE: Decline of Mid-Major At-Large Tournament Appearances
Big 12 been at 18 games since the 2011-12 season
ACC been at 18 games since the 2012-13 season
Big Ten been at 18 games since the 2007-08 season
Big East been at 18 games since the 2007-08 season
Pac 12 been at 18 games since I guess they went to the Pac 10 back in 1978.
SEC been at 18 games since the 2012-13 season

So in all 5 years of the sample, it's been the exact same number of conference games for all 6 power conferences.
03-13-2017 05:58 PM
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(03-13-2017 05:48 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Biggest difference: power conference games versus each other are WAAAAY up, even if the number of teams is relatively the same. That means less games for potential "mid majors" to play power conference teams. There used to be roughly 584 conference games between power schools in conference, as there were less teams who played less games (usually 16 conference games). Now the major conferences all play 18 conference games, and have 2 more teams. It's now 666 conference games. Less games for mid majors against Power teams. and thus their SOSs suffer. Thus their rpi and tournament hopes.

It's going to only get worse when conferences move to 20 game conference slates.
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(03-13-2017 04:38 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Outside of the power basketball conferences (ACC, B1G, Big 12, Big East, Pac-12 and SEC), here are the numbers of the at-large non-power conference/mid-major teams making the NCAA Tournament for the past five years:

2017: 4
2016: 6
2015: 7
2014: 10
2013: 11

A couple of points:

1. By this trend, I think these leagues are currently unfairly judged and critiqued by the committee.

2. From this trend, it is also clear that some type of separation is occurring in basketball, as well as football.

3. Finally, I think the Big East's additions of Butler, Creighton and Xavier took away three of the strongest mid-majors from respective conferences - thus lowering the overall strength of the mid-majors.

It is more than that - a huge bias towards "name" schools for the at-large

Last 3 years - 17 bids among 5 conferences. 10 of those bids went to 4 schools: Dayton (3), VCU (2), Cincy (3), Wichita (2)

That group also got 6 at-large bids in the prior two years (of the 21). I am counting Cincy's 2013 at-large out of the Big East, the only at-large from that conference that didn't move on to the NBE or ACC.
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Some day maybe Cincinnati will be considered a major program -- like they were for over one hundred years up until 2013.
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(03-13-2017 07:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Some day maybe Cincinnati will be considered a major program -- like they were for over one hundred years up until 2013.

Don't worry. Just because someone on a message board called UC (or AAC) a "mid major" doesn't make it so. The AAC has the exact same number of national championships as the reconstituted Big East. One. I've yet to see a credible news source call AAC a "mid major".
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RE: Decline of Mid-Major At-Large Tournament Appearances
In last year's tournament, only one mid-major school (that is, anyone not in one of the six power conferences) won a game as an at-large entry. That was Wichita State.

Nine mid-major conference champs won a game (not counting play in games where they played another mid-major champ). If that continues, I doubt you will see much of an increase in mid-major at-large bids.
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(03-13-2017 05:48 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Biggest difference: power conference games versus each other are WAAAAY up, even if the number of teams is relatively the same. That means less games for potential "mid majors" to play power conference teams. There used to be roughly 584 conference games between power schools in conference, as there were less teams who played less games (usually 16 conference games). Now the major conferences all play 18 conference games, and have 2 more teams. It's now 666 conference games. Less games for mid majors against Power teams. and thus their SOSs suffer. Thus their rpi and tournament hopes.

Exactly. THIS is a big structural change happening in the college hoops world that is working against the smaller teams --- it's going to get worse.
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RE: Decline of Mid-Major At-Large Tournament Appearances
Some great points made in this post.

All the more reason the American should add Wichita St, VCU and Dayton.

Become the 7th power league in basketball.
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(03-13-2017 05:19 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 05:13 PM)YNot Wrote:  MWC has been a huge casualty. 1-bid league the last couple of seasons. When will UNLV, SDSU, and New Mexico get back on track?

MVC same way.

MWC used to be a birthright 2 bid conference with sometimes 3-4 teams.

The AAC with only 2 bids you can add to the list with the amount of amazing basketball programs in that conference its the equivalent of only picking up 1.

The A10 only 3 this year but has stayed pretty good when you compare it to the budgets of the AAC or MWC. They had some luck with bubble team Rhode Island winning the conference tournament.
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(03-13-2017 08:57 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Some great points made in this post.

All the more reason the American should add Wichita St, VCU and Dayton.

Become the 7th power league in basketball.

The AAC would be basically the multibid league outside of the power 6 if that were to happen.

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