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(03-13-2017 08:34 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  i would say Clemson's run last year in the ACC, with wins over Duke, Pitt, Miami, and some other team, was more impressive.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

Talk about a classic post. Yes, Clemson winning some regular season games (ignoring that they ALL were home games and you glossed over the loss that was mixed in that stretch) is absolutely more impressive than a NCAA Final 4 appearance. 03-lmfao

Does Clemson hang banners for 10-8 ACC regular season records such as 2015-16?
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we hang banners for football natties.

what about commuter school Lville?

lol

if you want to make case beating Middle Tenn State, Dayton, and Gonzaga is more impressive than beating good 4 ACC teams, go for it. that looks like NIT schedule.

the reality is Cuse really had no case for the tournament last year, as their own coach admitted, when he said they had a better case this year.

i think this is the problem with college basketball, the regular season doesn't mean that much in the end, if a team who shouldn't make the tournament can get to the final 4 and do so by playing 3 non p5 teams.

it is like UConn winning it all a few years ago, i think they were a 10 seed. hard to say they were the best team that year. the tourney isn't about trying to establish the best team, it is about tv ratings.

if I was doing the tourney, it would be 16 teams max. all those regular season games and conference tourney games should count more.

if a 16 seed upsets a 1 seed, it then benefits from the weakest possible matchup in the bracket. So winning one game gives the 16 seed the advantage the 1 seed spent all season to acquire. you would think they would at least give top seeds a bye in the first round if not the first two rounds.
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(03-13-2017 03:49 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  There's always conversation around the ACC expanding with Big East teams and how much of a difference it makes, was it worth it, blah blah blah.

It's NCAA tournament time and I present you exhibit A:

Between 2006 and 2014 (9 NCAA Tournaments), the ACC had 7 teams reach the Elite Eight (UNC x5, Duke x2)

Just the last two years, 2015 and 2016, the ACC had 7 teams reach the Elite Eight (UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia, Notre Dame x2). So 4 of the 7 can be attributed to the newbies. Syracuse became the first non UNC/Duke team to make the Final Four from the ACC since Georgia Tech in 2004. I'd say the difference of the additions is significant.

There is definitely an uptick financially when you combine the TV contract increases, the CFB playoff appearances, the increased number of football bowl appearances, and increases in the NCAA basketball tournament units. We just need to keep it going. Hopefully, the linear network adds even more money and if football continues on this trajectory, we can one day correct that Orange Bowl contract payout and get some even better bowl tie-ins. Things are moving in the right direction in my opinion. On a personal note, I sat in the driving rain and watched Clemson lose to Cuse in the 96 Toyota Gator Bowl. So, I was happy when Syracuse joined the conference so that we could play again and get a win. It made me feel a lot better.
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(03-13-2017 10:59 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  Dayton, and Gonzaga... looks like NIT schedule.
03-lmfao
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(03-13-2017 10:59 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  we hang banners for football natties.

what about commuter school Lville?

lol

if you want to make case beating Middle Tenn State, Dayton, and Gonzaga is more impressive than beating good 4 ACC teams, go for it. that looks like NIT schedule.

the reality is Cuse really had no case for the tournament last year, as their own coach admitted, when he said they had a better case this year.

i think this is the problem with college basketball, the regular season doesn't mean that much in the end, if a team who shouldn't make the tournament can get to the final 4 and do so by playing 3 non p5 teams.

it is like UConn winning it all a few years ago, i think they were a 10 seed. hard to say they were the best team that year. the tourney isn't about trying to establish the best team, it is about tv ratings.

if I was doing the tourney, it would be 16 teams max. all those regular season games and conference tourney games should count more.

if a 16 seed upsets a 1 seed, it then benefits from the weakest possible matchup in the bracket. So winning one game gives the 16 seed the advantage the 1 seed spent all season to acquire. you would think they would at least give top seeds a bye in the first round if not the first two rounds.

Louisville honors our Heisman winner & hangs banners for national championships in basketball. Not to bad for a city commuter school.
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(03-14-2017 08:42 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Louisville honors our Heisman winner & hangs banners for national championships in basketball.

Of course this thread was solely about basketball until he brought in football when he didn't have another argument. Only CV would try and argue that winning 4 regular season basketball games (not even 4 in a row) trumps a Final 4 appearance.
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(03-14-2017 12:22 AM)Schema Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 03:49 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  There's always conversation around the ACC expanding with Big East teams and how much of a difference it makes, was it worth it, blah blah blah.

It's NCAA tournament time and I present you exhibit A:

Between 2006 and 2014 (9 NCAA Tournaments), the ACC had 7 teams reach the Elite Eight (UNC x5, Duke x2)

Just the last two years, 2015 and 2016, the ACC had 7 teams reach the Elite Eight (UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia, Notre Dame x2). So 4 of the 7 can be attributed to the newbies. Syracuse became the first non UNC/Duke team to make the Final Four from the ACC since Georgia Tech in 2004. I'd say the difference of the additions is significant.

There is definitely an uptick financially when you combine the TV contract increases, the CFB playoff appearances, the increased number of football bowl appearances, and increases in the NCAA basketball tournament units. We just need to keep it going. Hopefully, the linear network adds even more money and if football continues on this trajectory, we can one day correct that Orange Bowl contract payout and get some even better bowl tie-ins. Things are moving in the right direction in my opinion. On a personal note, I sat in the driving rain and watched Clemson lose to Cuse in the 96 Toyota Gator Bowl. So, I was happy when Syracuse joined the conference so that we could play again and get a win. It made me feel a lot better.

Ok we even now...you can call off the dogs. 03-lmfao

BTW, Clemson was a nice trip last year...classic Southern College Town. I plan to return in '18. Send me a note if you are coming to Cuse...I'll be up for the Friday night game. You are welcome to join my tailgate. Cuseroc, CardinalJim and CardFan1 can vouch guaranteeing a great tailgate.
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(03-14-2017 09:05 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  
(03-14-2017 08:42 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Louisville honors our Heisman winner & hangs banners for national championships in basketball.

Of course this thread was solely about basketball until he brought in football when he didn't have another argument. Only CV would try and argue that winning 4 regular season basketball games (not even 4 in a row) trumps a Final 4 appearance.

F4 appearance>ACC Championship in my book. It shouldn't be...but that is how teams are judged now...all about the NCAAs.

I bet ClemsonVegas didn't even see the Tigers play a basketball game this year.
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(03-13-2017 04:25 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  i would say overall the former big east programs have declined since entering the ACC. ND has been better.

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(03-14-2017 11:03 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-14-2017 09:05 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  
(03-14-2017 08:42 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Louisville honors our Heisman winner & hangs banners for national championships in basketball.

Of course this thread was solely about basketball until he brought in football when he didn't have another argument. Only CV would try and argue that winning 4 regular season basketball games (not even 4 in a row) trumps a Final 4 appearance.

F4 appearance>ACC Championship in my book. It shouldn't be...but that is how teams are judged now...all about the NCAAs.

I bet ClemsonVegas didn't even see the Tigers play a basketball game this year.

Not too long ago it wasn't that way. The ACC was much more like the Ivy League in that the Conference Championships carried more weight than competing on a national level.
When playoffs NCAA playoffs started gaining national broadcasts (in all sports) the ACC changed their focus.
The ACC actually changed the way games were officiated so that they could be prepared to play when referees from other leagues called their tournament games. The conference was not used to the thugball that Big East officials allowed.
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