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RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament.
(03-13-2017 03:01 PM)CatMom Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 01:59 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Seems like the SOS factor knocked Ill St and UTA out.
ISU: 125
UTA: 134

Also the, if you're in a BB power conference and you have a pulse you're in

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a good example is the travesty of mount st. mary getting in ahead of uta when they lost to every decent team they played including uta. they only have a winning record because they beat the teams in their own conference..
03-16-2017 12:11 PM
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RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament.
(03-16-2017 12:11 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 03:01 PM)CatMom Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 01:59 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Seems like the SOS factor knocked Ill St and UTA out.
ISU: 125
UTA: 134

Also the, if you're in a BB power conference and you have a pulse you're in

04-cheers

a good example is the travesty of mount st. mary getting in ahead of uta when they lost to every decent team they played including uta. they only have a winning record because they beat the teams in their own conference..

So you are saying there should be no auto-bids? Because that is how Mount St. Mary's made the tourney.


In that case, the majority of years, no Sun Belt team (or any team from 10-15 conferences) would make the tournament.
03-16-2017 12:59 PM
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RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament.
(03-16-2017 12:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 12:11 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 03:01 PM)CatMom Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 01:59 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Seems like the SOS factor knocked Ill St and UTA out.
ISU: 125
UTA: 134

Also the, if you're in a BB power conference and you have a pulse you're in

04-cheers

a good example is the travesty of mount st. mary getting in ahead of uta when they lost to every decent team they played including uta. they only have a winning record because they beat the teams in their own conference..

So you are saying there should be no auto-bids? Because that is how Mount St. Mary's made the tourney.


In that case, the majority of years, no Sun Belt team (or any team from 10-15 conferences) would make the tournament.

He is confusing Mt. St. Mary's with St. Mary's.
03-16-2017 04:13 PM
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RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament.
(03-16-2017 04:13 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 12:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 12:11 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 03:01 PM)CatMom Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 01:59 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Seems like the SOS factor knocked Ill St and UTA out.
ISU: 125
UTA: 134

Also the, if you're in a BB power conference and you have a pulse you're in

04-cheers

a good example is the travesty of mount st. mary getting in ahead of uta when they lost to every decent team they played including uta. they only have a winning record because they beat the teams in their own conference..

So you are saying there should be no auto-bids? Because that is how Mount St. Mary's made the tourney.


In that case, the majority of years, no Sun Belt team (or any team from 10-15 conferences) would make the tournament.

He is confusing Mt. St. Mary's with St. Mary's.

Gotcha

But his premise is still wrong.

St. Mary's only lost to two teams all season - UTA, and Gonzaga.

Beat Dayton, Nevada, Stanford, etc.


UTA's best win was St. Mary's, but lost to:
FGCU (ok)
Minn (good)
Ark (good)

But the killer losses were to:

Texas State twice (RPI 179)
Troy (RPI 151)
ULL (RPI 114)
CCU (RPI 183)

You aren't going to get an at-large with those types of losses.
03-16-2017 06:15 PM
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RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament.
Essentially what you are saying is there is zero margin of error for anything but power 5 schools.

Adjust RPI for margin of victory and home/road and see how that SOS changes.
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RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament.
(03-16-2017 04:13 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 12:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 12:11 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 03:01 PM)CatMom Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 01:59 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Seems like the SOS factor knocked Ill St and UTA out.
ISU: 125
UTA: 134

Also the, if you're in a BB power conference and you have a pulse you're in

04-cheers

a good example is the travesty of mount st. mary getting in ahead of uta when they lost to every decent team they played including uta. they only have a winning record because they beat the teams in their own conference..

So you are saying there should be no auto-bids? Because that is how Mount St. Mary's made the tourney.


In that case, the majority of years, no Sun Belt team (or any team from 10-15 conferences) would make the tournament.

He is confusing Mt. St. Mary's with St. Mary's.

no, I know my mt. st. mary from my st. mary..uta beat them both
03-17-2017 06:59 AM
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(03-16-2017 11:05 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Essentially what you are saying is there is zero margin of error for anything but power 5 schools.

Unfortunately, this is what it seems like it's coming down to these days. I feel like there might be more talk of "bad losses" than there used to be (maybe I'm just paying more attention to that now...?). This means, in part, that a sustained effort to keep raising the profile of SBC basketball will be important. It IS happening, we just have to keep it up.
03-17-2017 10:02 AM
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RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament.
(03-17-2017 10:02 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 11:05 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Essentially what you are saying is there is zero margin of error for anything but power 5 schools.

Unfortunately, this is what it seems like it's coming down to these days. I feel like there might be more talk of "bad losses" than there used to be (maybe I'm just paying more attention to that now...?). This means, in part, that a sustained effort to keep raising the profile of SBC basketball will be important. It IS happening, we just have to keep it up.

Better give a greater advantage to regular season champ. We clobbered Brigham Young at Provo, and there would have been a respectable chance of that happening in the first round of the NCAA with decent seeding which we would have had. Of course, we have ourselves to blame, too, for the slip up against a very good Texas State team.
03-17-2017 10:39 AM
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RE: UT Arlington is the highest RPI team not in the NCAA Tournament.
(03-16-2017 11:05 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Essentially what you are saying is there is zero margin of error for anything but power 5 schools.

Adjust RPI for margin of victory and home/road and see how that SOS changes.


Very little. But you can't lose 5 games to sub 100 teams, and no way can you lose 4 games to teams in the bottom half of the RPI.
03-17-2017 11:28 AM
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What I'm saying is P5 teams that have received at-larges now and in the past would have had those subjective bad losses were the RPI formula not so flawed. It essentially keeps the big boys in power.
03-17-2017 04:51 PM
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