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Should the C-USA commish be terminated?
(03-13-2017 05:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
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(03-13-2017 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  People actually think the TV deal tanked because Judy didn't stomp her feet and pitch enough of a fit to get ESPN and ASN to realize what a gem they had with TV rights to all of CUSA's great media markets?

So are you saying she is doing a good job?

Let me ask you a question....

what exactly would you have done? The numbers and support is not there to sell this conference. I don't understand why that is so hard for some people to figure out. You can't force someone to pay you when there is very little value to be had.

As for not being on TV more often...NOTHING is stopping ODU from putting out their own content that is not picked up by CUSA's contract. Western does this and most games are on Fox College Sports. We always seem to want to blame others for our own weaknesses. If your school has value...someone will show it. Might not make any money but it will get shown.

23rd ranked basketball conference, I'm blaming her and she should be fired. If an MLB team plays like crap, the manager goes not the players. She needs to go.

You say what could she have done or what was she supposed to do? Well she has not done anything. If there was any clue that the conference is getting better or gaining some momentum I would say give her a chance. She has no ideas, no leadership, no nothing to help this conference. I get it's hard to sell but she is not trying anything. Why do I want someone in charge that just sits idle for a joke of a conference tournament and just continues to make the same bad calls and seems to refuse to adapt or change.

The real question is WHAT IS SHE DOING? Nothing!
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RE: Should the C-USA commish be terminated?
(03-13-2017 04:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
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(03-12-2017 07:38 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Need to add one more for scheduling purposes and to avoid adding a 5th ooc in fb

OOC games are pretty much the lifeblood of USM football, though.

If so you wouldn't think S. Miss would be playing a FCS school 6 out the last 8 seasons. Maybe 7 out of 8, I don't believe Teas St was full FBS in 2013

This is not 15 years ago when there were a lot less FBS G5 schools and a team like S. Miss could be a lot more picky. Today those P5 schools that use to schedule S. Miss have a lot more choices to choose from. That is why S. Miss has played a FCS school 7 out of the last 8 years. I only looked at 8 so it could go back longer

There are two reasons we've played FCS schools lately:

1. Playing one of the in-state black schools results in a destination game for Hattiesburg, with a big crowd. I think these games may even be legislated, or at least ordered by our (shared) board. The Southern University game is similar; not technically in-state but I'm sure they'll travel well.

2. We really weren't that good for a while there.

Also, most of the G5 schools' fan appeal isn't really any better down in MS than that of the FCS schools. So if we want a home game, and it's not a P5 school, we might as well just play an FCS school.

And I'm not sure I buy into your "less demand" argument. We've got multiple road games against SEC teams coming up that all pay around $2 million each. Also, we're getting Kentucky at home, unless they buy us out.
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RE: Should the C-USA commish be terminated?
(03-13-2017 05:26 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 05:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:55 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  People actually think the TV deal tanked because Judy didn't stomp her feet and pitch enough of a fit to get ESPN and ASN to realize what a gem they had with TV rights to all of CUSA's great media markets?

So are you saying she is doing a good job?

Let me ask you a question....

what exactly would you have done? The numbers and support is not there to sell this conference. I don't understand why that is so hard for some people to figure out. You can't force someone to pay you when there is very little value to be had.

As for not being on TV more often...NOTHING is stopping ODU from putting out their own content that is not picked up by CUSA's contract. Western does this and most games are on Fox College Sports. We always seem to want to blame others for our own weaknesses. If your school has value...someone will show it. Might not make any money but it will get shown.

23rd ranked basketball conference, I'm blaming her and she should be fired. If an MLB team plays like crap, the manager goes not the players. She needs to go.

You say what could she have done or what was she supposed to do? Well she has not done anything. If there was any clue that the conference is getting better or gaining some momentum I would say give her a chance. She has no ideas, no leadership, no nothing to help this conference. I get it's hard to sell but she is not trying anything. Why do I want someone in charge that just sits idle for a joke of a conference tournament and just continues to make the same bad calls and seems to refuse to adapt or change.

The real question is WHAT IS SHE DOING? Nothing!

So tell me how she played any part in the "joke of a conference tournament" being a joke?

How do you know what she has or hasn't done? You may be correct and she hasn't tried. But I think most reasonable people would know she probably reached out to a few networks and other outlets to get CUSA shown and more money. ..the lack of that working mostly falls on ODU, Western, Middle, UNCC and so on.

Our schools are PIGS ...not beauty queens when it comes to those that control the money and air time. We need to work on changing that before our commissioner of 16 months can put makeup on us and fool anyone into thinking we are actually worth their money. As you pointed out...23rd ranked conference. Will not help. Win some OOC games and that goes up. How many shots did she miss for ODU or Western or any other CUSA team? Hell Jeff Jones had 5 or 6 years and his only job is to win basketball games and get ODU to the NCAA Tourney. That failure should concern you the most. But you want to blame someone else. That's the world we live in...always someone else fault

These questions would be better pointed to your school...the same goes for the rest of us. And stop freaking whining over every thing.
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(03-13-2017 05:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 05:26 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 05:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:55 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  People actually think the TV deal tanked because Judy didn't stomp her feet and pitch enough of a fit to get ESPN and ASN to realize what a gem they had with TV rights to all of CUSA's great media markets?

So are you saying she is doing a good job?

Let me ask you a question....

what exactly would you have done? The numbers and support is not there to sell this conference. I don't understand why that is so hard for some people to figure out. You can't force someone to pay you when there is very little value to be had.

As for not being on TV more often...NOTHING is stopping ODU from putting out their own content that is not picked up by CUSA's contract. Western does this and most games are on Fox College Sports. We always seem to want to blame others for our own weaknesses. If your school has value...someone will show it. Might not make any money but it will get shown.

23rd ranked basketball conference, I'm blaming her and she should be fired. If an MLB team plays like crap, the manager goes not the players. She needs to go.

You say what could she have done or what was she supposed to do? Well she has not done anything. If there was any clue that the conference is getting better or gaining some momentum I would say give her a chance. She has no ideas, no leadership, no nothing to help this conference. I get it's hard to sell but she is not trying anything. Why do I want someone in charge that just sits idle for a joke of a conference tournament and just continues to make the same bad calls and seems to refuse to adapt or change.

The real question is WHAT IS SHE DOING? Nothing!

So tell me how she played any part in the "joke of a conference tournament" being a joke?

How do you know what she has or hasn't done? You may be correct and she hasn't tried. But I think most reasonable people would know she probably reached out to a new of networks and other outlets to get CUSA shown and more money. ..the lack of mostly falls on ODU, Western, Middle, UNCC and so on.

Our schools are PIG when it comes to that that control the money and air time. We need to work on changing that before we our commissioner can put makeup on us and get fool anyone we are actually worth their money. As you pointed out...23rd ranked conference. Will not help. Win some OOC games and that goes up. How many shots did she miss for ODU or Western or any other CUSA team?

These questions would be better pointed to your school...the same goes for the rest of us. And stop freaking whining over every thing.

100% agreed.

Blame the commissioner is a popular game in every conference.

Whoever our next commissioner is will be no different.
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Ask some of your folks who work within your respective athletic departments what they think about Judy03-banghead
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RE: Should the C-USA commish be terminated?
(03-13-2017 05:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:55 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  People actually think the TV deal tanked because Judy didn't stomp her feet and pitch enough of a fit to get ESPN and ASN to realize what a gem they had with TV rights to all of CUSA's great media markets?

So are you saying she is doing a good job?

Let me ask you a question....

what exactly would you have done? The numbers and support is not there to sell this conference. I don't understand why that is so hard for some people to figure out. You can't force someone to pay you when there is very little value to be had.

As for not being on TV more often...NOTHING is stopping ODU from putting out their own content that is not picked up by CUSA's contract. Western does this and most games are on Fox College Sports. We always seem to want to blame others for our own weaknesses. If your school has value...someone will show it. Might not make any money but it will get shown.
Excellent points. She has no power nor would anyone else in her position. The conference made a huge error expanding too many that offered net negative value. That isn't her fault. The only way it gets better is with a new smaller conference. The G5 needs to be the G8. The power conferences really crushed us with the mega conference idea they sold us was quite the poker play. The best is the markets lol.

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(03-13-2017 06:05 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Ask some of your folks who work within your respective athletic departments what they think about Judy03-banghead

I'm not saying she's doing a great job. Can't say one way or the other. But she's not to blame for the current problems in CUSA. Maybe someone else could have done better but she walked into the problems..not created them.

This conference was on a downswing when she was hired. This conference had to redo the media contract. When she was hired. Now I don't know if the low key approach she took or if that vibe she gives off hurt or not. Maybe it did and she's not the right one for this job. But the problem were here long before she took the job.

A lot of those problems wont be fixed by anyone unless the schools in this conference start winning and keep on winning then win even more. The biggest problem she faced was caused by the conference a few years ago...

by going with Fox and not espn. I hate espn and hardly ever watch it ..went from having a TV room with 3 TVs on the 3 espn channels that I got when each was showing college basketball. To hardly ever turning it over there unless it's college football or a basketball game I really want to watch.

CUSA backed out on espn and went with Fox and now we are paying that price.
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(03-13-2017 05:26 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 05:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:55 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  People actually think the TV deal tanked because Judy didn't stomp her feet and pitch enough of a fit to get ESPN and ASN to realize what a gem they had with TV rights to all of CUSA's great media markets?

So are you saying she is doing a good job?

Let me ask you a question....

what exactly would you have done? The numbers and support is not there to sell this conference. I don't understand why that is so hard for some people to figure out. You can't force someone to pay you when there is very little value to be had.

As for not being on TV more often...NOTHING is stopping ODU from putting out their own content that is not picked up by CUSA's contract. Western does this and most games are on Fox College Sports. We always seem to want to blame others for our own weaknesses. If your school has value...someone will show it. Might not make any money but it will get shown.

23rd ranked basketball conference, I'm blaming her and she should be fired. If an MLB team plays like crap, the manager goes not the players. She needs to go.

You say what could she have done or what was she supposed to do? Well she has not done anything. If there was any clue that the conference is getting better or gaining some momentum I would say give her a chance. She has no ideas, no leadership, no nothing to help this conference. I get it's hard to sell but she is not trying anything. Why do I want someone in charge that just sits idle for a joke of a conference tournament and just continues to make the same bad calls and seems to refuse to adapt or change.

The real question is WHAT IS SHE DOING? Nothing!
What is she supposes to do? Take half the conference that can't beat a MEAC team and give them steroids? She can't make them spend money they don't have. They are already in. Is there any way she can cut them loose?

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(03-12-2017 09:02 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:52 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  In 2 years, we will have been together long enough to legally split and drop the dead weight. You need 5 teams together for 5 years to start a conference. MTSU, WKU, Marshall, ODU, UAB and bring along Charlotte, LA Tech, and USM. That could be a pretty good 8-team conference in both sports. Basketball schedule would be balanced and everyone plays each other in football.

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A better way to form a conference that could contend for the title of "Top G5 Conference" would be to set standards for any team looking to be included.

1st- Agree to only sign "home and home" football series with P5s
2nd- Set a facilities standard (have or building Indoor Practice Center,....)
3rd- Set RPI standards in basketball scheduling
4th- Set a minimum standard for athletic budgets ($40M)

If every program in C-USA could work to achieve some of these standards, we'd probably all be in better shape, and wouldn't have talk about forming a new conference.

Your facility requirements need to mandate you have a facility and participate in the major sports. Baseball being near the top of the list.
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(03-13-2017 05:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 05:26 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 05:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:55 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  People actually think the TV deal tanked because Judy didn't stomp her feet and pitch enough of a fit to get ESPN and ASN to realize what a gem they had with TV rights to all of CUSA's great media markets?

So are you saying she is doing a good job?

Let me ask you a question....

what exactly would you have done? The numbers and support is not there to sell this conference. I don't understand why that is so hard for some people to figure out. You can't force someone to pay you when there is very little value to be had.

As for not being on TV more often...NOTHING is stopping ODU from putting out their own content that is not picked up by CUSA's contract. Western does this and most games are on Fox College Sports. We always seem to want to blame others for our own weaknesses. If your school has value...someone will show it. Might not make any money but it will get shown.

23rd ranked basketball conference, I'm blaming her and she should be fired. If an MLB team plays like crap, the manager goes not the players. She needs to go.

You say what could she have done or what was she supposed to do? Well she has not done anything. If there was any clue that the conference is getting better or gaining some momentum I would say give her a chance. She has no ideas, no leadership, no nothing to help this conference. I get it's hard to sell but she is not trying anything. Why do I want someone in charge that just sits idle for a joke of a conference tournament and just continues to make the same bad calls and seems to refuse to adapt or change.

The real question is WHAT IS SHE DOING? Nothing!

So tell me how she played any part in the "joke of a conference tournament" being a joke?

How do you know what she has or hasn't done? You may be correct and she hasn't tried. But I think most reasonable people would know she probably reached out to a few networks and other outlets to get CUSA shown and more money. ..the lack of that working mostly falls on ODU, Western, Middle, UNCC and so on.

Our schools are PIGS ...not beauty queens when it comes to those that control the money and air time. We need to work on changing that before our commissioner of 16 months can put makeup on us and fool anyone into thinking we are actually worth their money. As you pointed out...23rd ranked conference. Will not help. Win some OOC games and that goes up. How many shots did she miss for ODU or Western or any other CUSA team? Hell Jeff Jones had 5 or 6 years and his only job is to win basketball games and get ODU to the NCAA Tourney. That failure should concern you the most. But you want to blame someone else. That's the world we live in...always someone else fault

These questions would be better pointed to your school...the same goes for the rest of us. And stop freaking whining over every thing.
Jeff Jones sucks, but we have been in top 4 every year despite being a disappointment. Don't blame this schit on us. We come from a place where we got at large bids even if we have a mid season slump. MTSU only lost 4 games and are ranked, but still not good enough for an at-large. And football is holding its own as well for being less than 10 years old. This place is a dumpster fire. In needs to drop its dead weight, but ODU isn't the dead weight.

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(03-12-2017 09:02 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:52 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  In 2 years, we will have been together long enough to legally split and drop the dead weight. You need 5 teams together for 5 years to start a conference. MTSU, WKU, Marshall, ODU, UAB and bring along Charlotte, LA Tech, and USM. That could be a pretty good 8-team conference in both sports. Basketball schedule would be balanced and everyone plays each other in football.

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A better way to form a conference that could contend for the title of "Top G5 Conference" would be to set standards for any team looking to be included.

1st- Agree to only sign "home and home" football series with P5s
2nd- Set a facilities standard (have or building Indoor Practice Center,....)
3rd- Set RPI standards in basketball scheduling
4th- Set a minimum standard for athletic budgets ($40M)

If every program in C-USA could work to achieve some of these standards, we'd probably all be in better shape, and wouldn't have talk about forming a new conference.

$40M?

Our 14 combined budgets missed the $40M mark by more than $150M collectively.

Rice and ODU are the only members that wouldn't need to increase their budget by 20%+, half the conference would need a 40%+ increase.

Why don't we require $2.5M as a minimum football HC salary, $1.5M as minimum MBB salary and minimum attendance rewuirements of 30k and 7k respectively while we're at it?
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(03-13-2017 07:19 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 05:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
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(03-13-2017 05:06 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:55 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  So are you saying she is doing a good job?

Let me ask you a question....

what exactly would you have done? The numbers and support is not there to sell this conference. I don't understand why that is so hard for some people to figure out. You can't force someone to pay you when there is very little value to be had.

As for not being on TV more often...NOTHING is stopping ODU from putting out their own content that is not picked up by CUSA's contract. Western does this and most games are on Fox College Sports. We always seem to want to blame others for our own weaknesses. If your school has value...someone will show it. Might not make any money but it will get shown.

23rd ranked basketball conference, I'm blaming her and she should be fired. If an MLB team plays like crap, the manager goes not the players. She needs to go.

You say what could she have done or what was she supposed to do? Well she has not done anything. If there was any clue that the conference is getting better or gaining some momentum I would say give her a chance. She has no ideas, no leadership, no nothing to help this conference. I get it's hard to sell but she is not trying anything. Why do I want someone in charge that just sits idle for a joke of a conference tournament and just continues to make the same bad calls and seems to refuse to adapt or change.

The real question is WHAT IS SHE DOING? Nothing!

So tell me how she played any part in the "joke of a conference tournament" being a joke?

How do you know what she has or hasn't done? You may be correct and she hasn't tried. But I think most reasonable people would know she probably reached out to a few networks and other outlets to get CUSA shown and more money. ..the lack of that working mostly falls on ODU, Western, Middle, UNCC and so on.

Our schools are PIGS ...not beauty queens when it comes to those that control the money and air time. We need to work on changing that before our commissioner of 16 months can put makeup on us and fool anyone into thinking we are actually worth their money. As you pointed out...23rd ranked conference. Will not help. Win some OOC games and that goes up. How many shots did she miss for ODU or Western or any other CUSA team? Hell Jeff Jones had 5 or 6 years and his only job is to win basketball games and get ODU to the NCAA Tourney. That failure should concern you the most. But you want to blame someone else. That's the world we live in...always someone else fault

These questions would be better pointed to your school...the same goes for the rest of us. And stop freaking whining over every thing.
Jeff Jones sucks, but we have been in top 4 every year despite being a disappointment. Don't blame this schit on us. We come from a place where we got at large bids even if we have a mid season slump. MTSU only lost 4 games and are ranked, but still not good enough for an at-large. And football is holding its own as well for being less than 10 years old. This place is a dumpster fire. In needs to drop its dead weight, but ODU isn't the dead weight.

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No dead weight but if the goal is to get to the NCAA Tourney and that is the goal for those of us that are fans of teams that get they more than others...

after 5 seasons of no NCAA I would be more worried about that than anything. Nothing the conference as a whole is doing is stopping ODU from getting there. Not helping as it should if more schools won. But nothing the CUSA commissioner did or didn't do to change that.

If this conference starts to get 2 then 3 then 4 schools in the dance more times than not and start to win OOC in basketball and football. Then someone would have something to work with.
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(03-13-2017 05:27 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  1. Playing one of the in-state black schools results in a destination game for Hattiesburg, with a big crowd. I think these games may even be legislated, or at least ordered by our (shared) board. The Southern University game is similar; not technically in-state but I'm sure they'll travel well.

Oh, they will. Our game vs SU in 2015 was packed. RVs all over Ruston. Although, many of them will come to see the band rather than the team, which they probably know will lose.
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