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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
I'm surprised MB hasn't built their own arena by now. The number of events they could host would be unending. The land where the old amusement park sat off of 501 would be a good site.
03-13-2017 12:19 PM
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
If it's campus sites and it goes to bid, I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two teams hosting it every year.
03-13-2017 12:33 PM
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
I know a lot has changed since the conference was formed, the biggest being the competition we see from technology, but here are some numbers to show what we have seen in different locations. Obviously some fanbases are no longer part of our conference anymore, but I included them for perspective.

Tournament per game attendance:
8,320 - UAB (BJCC) -- hosted 5 times
7,724 - Hampton, VA (about an hour from Richmond) -- hosted 1 time
7,709 - Richmond (Richmond Coliseum) -- hosted 1 time
6,356 - Charlotte (Charlotte Coliseum) -- hosted 5 times
5,958 - South Alabama (Mobile Civic Center/Mitchell Center) -- hosted 3 times
5,815 - WKU (EA Diddle Arena) -- hosted 4 times
5,088 - Jacksonville (Jacksonville Coliseum) -- hosted 1 time
4,105 - Summit Arena Hot Springs -- hosted 5 times
4,060 - Little Rock (Alltel Arena, Barton Coliseum) -- hosted 4 times
3,914 - Louisiana (Cajundome) -- hosted 3 times
3,898 - MS Gulf Coast Community Center, Biloxi, MS -- hosted 2 times
2,576 - MTSU (Murphy Center) -- hosted 1 time
2,226 - UNT (Super Pit) -- hosted 1 time
1,497 - Lakefront, New Orleans -- hosted 3 times*

* this year not reflected yet.

I did not include the year Lakefront hosted when UNO was a member
4,033 - Lakefront with UNO in conference
03-13-2017 01:22 PM
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
(03-13-2017 01:22 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I know a lot has changed since the conference was formed, the biggest being the competition we see from technology, but here are some numbers to show what we have seen in different locations. Obviously some fanbases are no longer part of our conference anymore, but I included them for perspective.

Tournament per game attendance:
8,320 - UAB (BJCC) -- hosted 5 times
7,724 - Hampton, VA (about an hour from Richmond) -- hosted 1 time
7,709 - Richmond (Richmond Coliseum) -- hosted 1 time
6,356 - Charlotte (Charlotte Coliseum) -- hosted 5 times
5,958 - South Alabama (Mobile Civic Center/Mitchell Center) -- hosted 3 times
5,815 - WKU (EA Diddle Arena) -- hosted 4 times
5,088 - Jacksonville (Jacksonville Coliseum) -- hosted 1 time
4,105 - Summit Arena Hot Springs -- hosted 5 times
4,060 - Little Rock (Alltel Arena, Barton Coliseum) -- hosted 4 times
3,914 - Louisiana (Cajundome) -- hosted 3 times
3,898 - MS Gulf Coast Community Center, Biloxi, MS -- hosted 2 times
2,576 - MTSU (Murphy Center) -- hosted 1 time
2,226 - UNT (Super Pit) -- hosted 1 time
1,497 - Lakefront, New Orleans -- hosted 3 times*

* this year not reflected yet.

I did not include the year Lakefront hosted when UNO was a member
4,033 - Lakefront with UNO in conference

I'd be curious about the years for those hostings.
03-13-2017 01:24 PM
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
(03-13-2017 12:19 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  I'm surprised MB hasn't built their own arena by now. The number of events they could host would be unending. The land where the old amusement park sat off of 501 would be a good site.

I haven't heard much chatter on this - not sure if the City of MB / Horry County, or the Chamber want to take this on. I do agree though, there are multiple sites that would be perfect for a larger arena and I think the area really could use it. With the MB Mayor running the Beach Ball Classic you would think he would be in favor of it.

There were plans a while back for a local minor league hockey team to partner with Coastal and they would build an arena to seat around 6,000. That deal fell through when the economy tanked in 2008.
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
You see hightlights from the WCC (St Marys, Pepperdine, Gonzaga) and they are all playing in tiny gyms (like 5000 capacity). It looks full on TV but also feels smalltime. A place like Northwest Florida State College (outside of Destin, FL) has a 2,200 person gym and hosts the Emerald Coast preseason tournament. 1500 could look nice in a 2,200 or 3,000 person gym


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From a national TV and branding perspective, does it look for worse for the league to play in a mostly empty Lake Front Arena (capacity 10,000) or fill up a smaller (sub 3500 capacity) college gym?
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03-13-2017 03:39 PM
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
(03-13-2017 03:39 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  You see hightlights from the WCC (St Marys, Pepperdine, Gonzaga) and they are all playing in tiny gyms (like 5000 capacity). It looks full on TV but also feels smalltime. A place like Northwest Florida State College (outside of Destin, FL) has a 2,200 person gym and hosts the Emerald Coast preseason tournament. 1500 could look nice in a 2,200 or 3,000 person gym


QUESTION FOR THE USER BASE
From a national TV and branding perspective, does it look for worse for the league to play in a mostly empty Lake Front Arena (capacity 10,000) or fill up a smaller (sub 3500 capacity) college gym?

It looks better playing in a filled arena with a smaller capacity than an empty looking one.
03-13-2017 04:03 PM
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
(03-12-2017 05:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Not at all. Most Mid Major Leagues use a host school for their conference tournament. Multiple Leagues actually use higher seed hosting each round. (Patriot, Northeast, American East, Atlantic Sun)

Going through the other leagues this year:

Southland: At Sam Houston State
CUSA: At UAB
Summit: At South Dakota
AAC: At UCONN
Big South: At Winthrop

Sam Houston State is in Huntsville, Texas... not Katy, Texas.

The Southland tournament has been in Katy, Texas for 10 years and it's a nice little venue. The tournament does well when SHSU, SFA are in the finals which for the better part of the last 10 years - that's been pretty regular occurrence. Before that it was in Houston's Aldine area.


(03-13-2017 12:02 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Nothing says low-major like the conference tournament on campus sites. Only six conferences do it, so this would be your peer group:

America East, Atlantic Sun, Big South, Northeast, Patriot and SWAC.

A campus site might help attendance if the host is good, but how do you award it? Pre-determined? And is that fair to the other league teams? Regular Season Champ's place? Higher seed? None are going to get good attendance on short notice.


The Southland did a double bye - the #1 and #2 seeds are placed in the Semi's. The other teams fight for the remaining two spots.

The SWAC played first round games on site and then moved everyone to the Toyota Center, which is the home arena of the NBA's Houston Rockets and not the SWAC's Texas Southern.

The SWAC made this change since it costs them $100k a day for Toyota Center per SWAC Commish interview. Said it was $60k a day without even bringing in the staff, etc. Not sure if they'll look elsewhere, but they did save a day or two's worth of pay by playing on campus sites in opening round.
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
Someone brought up Columbus Ga with a 10,000 seat arena...That would be a good location. Close to several SBC schools and Columbus has a airport which everyone can fly delta into.

Columbus would take that game and make it a big event.

Driving distance for. Troy, USA, GA State, GA southern, Coastal, App st
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