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(03-12-2017 01:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Las Vegas is providing financial incentives to conferences, which helps a lot. I doubt that anyone in downtown LA comped hotel stays and other expenses when the Pac-12 tournament was played there.

There might be other tournament locations that provide incentives or freebies, but I'd guess that even the WAC and WCC get far more of that in Las Vegas than they could get anywhere else. Good deal from the perspective of the hosting casino property (Orleans Casino/Hotel for both WAC and WCC) because they're bringing a few thousand more people through their casino every day for a week or so.

And not only will Vegas entertain people but it's relatively inexpensive (except for however much you lose in the casinos). Fans, who don't get comped, will get relatively inexpensive hotel rooms in Vegas, whereas if you play your tournament in the Bay Area, New York, or DC, your fans get gouged by the hotels.

(03-12-2017 12:36 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  EDIT: Remember how much Jim Boeheim likes going to Greensboro? That.

Yeah, this is another reason why decision makers - presidents, ADs, conference office staff - prefer a few days in Vegas to a conference tournament hosted by one of their members.

Some conferences in the east might be more geographically compact so that almost everyone can drive or bus to a central tournament location, but in the west you're going to put everyone on a plane anyway, so would you rather fly to Las Vegas for the WCC tournament, or to Spokane?



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For much of the 90's the Big West Tournament was played outside California, when UNLV and Nevada were members. The last time it was outside SoCal was 2000 in Reno, which was NMSU's and Nevada's last year in the conference.

The only way it leaves Anaheim is either Hawaii hosting, or UNLV and/or Nevada returning.
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(03-12-2017 02:20 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  For much of the 90's the Big West Tournament was played outside California, when UNLV and Nevada were members.

But as you know, the Big West of the last 15 or so years and the Big West prior to that are basically two completely separate conferences.

The history of the Big West prior to the early 2000's is basically inapplicable to the current day Big West.
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(03-12-2017 12:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  No other place has near the supply of decadence and escorts, to charge to the university travel accounts. 03-thumbsup

Travel expense voucher reconciliation:

Hookers and blow Alumni entertainment <--- Yeah, yeah, "entertainment".
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(03-12-2017 03:07 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 02:20 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  For much of the 90's the Big West Tournament was played outside California, when UNLV and Nevada were members.

But as you know, the Big West of the last 15 or so years and the Big West prior to that are basically two completely separate conferences.

The history of the Big West prior to the early 2000's is basically inapplicable to the current day Big West.

Utah State and Idaho stuck around for a few years after it dropped football. So by your definition they were part of the current BW.
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(03-12-2017 12:36 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  EDIT: Remember how much Jim Boeheim likes going to Greensboro? That.

On this topic again:

NIT tournament committee for the win. Syracuse's first-round NIT opponent is UNC-Greensboro. 03-lmfao
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(03-12-2017 12:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  No other place has near the supply of decadence and escorts, to charge to the university travel accounts. 03-thumbsup


As an aside: I see that Nevada won the MWC tournament. I thought Nevada had a really good program back in the WAC, but seems they've been down in the MWC?

Oh the escorts lol....why I look forward to DEFCON every year.
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(03-12-2017 03:35 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Utah State and Idaho stuck around for a few years after it dropped football. So by your definition they were part of the current BW.

Would it have mattered if I said 2006 - onward? That's still 10+ years of history, where the Big West has been entirely different than the history before that.

You got the point.
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(03-12-2017 12:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 12:06 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The Big West didn't hold it in Nevada, instead using their traditional venue, the Honda Center in Anaheim. Among the others, the Big Sky was the only one not to hold it in Vegas, holding it in Reno. Somehow, I think there was room in Vegas if necessary for the other two, especially since the WCC ends early in the week. The MGM Grand and Mandalay Bay is still possible 4X.

What's the issue, no other place out west can draw?

When the Big Sky put their tournament up for bids, Las Vegas didn't have an opening. That has changed, as the T-MOBILE Arena got built, which will host the new NHL team. The PAC12 moved their tournament there, creating an open arena for that weekend. The Big Sky will take in bids again for the 2019-21 tournaments, and Las Vegas will submit one this time. Billings and Spokane got support, but Reno bid was much higher.

I doubt Las Vegas submits, it would cost them more in incentives then they would make in attendees. Though, I guess if they do bid they could go cheap and host it in a HS gym. Watching the BSC championship game this year, my guess was about 500 actual butts in the arena.

Spokane, SLC or Billings would be the best sites the BSC could move to if they want someone to actually attend the event.
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It is tough for the far flung western conferences to hold tournaments that are well attended. That is why the neutral site tourneys in Nevada work better than most any alternative.

For the Big Sky, we have tried many different approaches on campus sites - limiting the number of participants, having it at the regular season champ (too difficult to make last minute plans, especially if you don't know if your team is going to make the tourney), having it preset at LAST Year's Regular Season champ, etc.

Neutral site is the best overall bet. Spokane would be the best location, as drivable for EWU, PSU, Idaho, Montana - with doable driving for Weber/ISU/MSU.

For the Pac 12, Vegas is perfect - drivable from the biggest traveling fan bases (Arizona then UCLA, plus easily drivable from ASU, USC and Utah).
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