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RE: Largest school with no intercollegiate sports.
(03-11-2017 12:47 PM)bluesox Wrote:  BYU-Idaho? or University of Phoenix

Obviously the University of Phoenix plans to start a major football program soon, otherwise why else would they have built that giant stadium?

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(03-14-2017 07:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-14-2017 11:00 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
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(03-11-2017 06:38 PM)lew240z Wrote:  NYU dropped football in1953 and basketball in 1971. The remaining sports with the exception of fencing were moved from D1 to D3 in 1981. Basketball was resumed as a D3 sport in 1983.

Here is an interesting historic fact:

Good on them.

I generally like NYU, but now I like them more than I did.

Since 1986, NYU has been in the University Athletic Association. Otherwise known as the Egghead Eight (formerly known as the Nerdy Nine before Johns Hopkins left in 2001)

UAA Members
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Washington U (St. Louis)

Only 4 schools play football, and as a result all 4 schools have an odd arrangement where they are technically in 2 football conferences. Case and Carnegie play in the UAA and the President's Athletic Conference. Chicago and WashU play in the UAA and the Midwest Conference.

All 8 schools play basketball. NYU finished last this year (2-12, 7-18 overall)

The conference has some competitive athletes. A friend of mine had a track scholarship from Wake Forest but chose Case for academic reasons. Case also had a QB that sniffed around at the NFL combine in 2010 hoping to get drafted.

Would be interesting to see all 8 go back to D1. They were considered major schools like in the Big 10 back in the old days.

I went to grad school at one of these schools. They have plenty of money to do so. Here are the endowments

Wash U in St Louis - 6.9 Billion
Emory - 6.7 Billion
U of Chicago - 6.6 Billion
NYU - 3.5 Billion
U of Rochester - 2.1 Billion
Case Western - 1.7 Billion
Carnegie Mellon - 1.7 Billion
Brandeis - 800 Million


I think that the bigger issue is that the schools have no issue with visibilty without D1. Schools lose money on D1 because either their alumni or their potential students demand it. Or they need the greater visibility of D1 to get their schools PR.

Many of them used to be D-1. Chicago was Big 10, WashU was Big 8, Case and Western Reserve were both football powerhouses. But they decided that D1 sports was a waste of resources. They're good enough academically that they get enough PR for their academics alone.

But the problem isn't visibility - it's school pride. I went to Case Western and there's very little school spirit there. As a result, few new alums donate to the school.

D1 would be a very long-term investment, but I think it would pay off. But it won't happen for two reasons - first most UAA schools are landlocked and have extremely expensive real estate around them (especially NYU). Second, many of them (especially Case and Rochester) face big long-term budget problems because their cities are declining and their endowments haven't grown nearly as fast as their peers over the past three decades.
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