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(05-29-2017 01:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I went to Aruba two years straight. 2003 & 2004. In 2003, servers worked on tips. Food and drinks were reasonable, and these guys busted their butts going up and down the beach serving people. Very good service, and being american, they fought over me as a customer because americans tip, wheras europeans and asians do not.

Then in 2004 they decided to charge more for the food and drinks to give servers a better guaranteed income. You were lucky if you ever got one of the dipsh*ts to come your way. When they did, you might see your drink within the next hour or so. It was pathetic. So yes, giving the people a higher guaranteed income will make them lazy.

Your experience does not prove that it converted the same hard working workers in 2003 into lazy workers in 2004, because it could have been different workers a year later who were already lazy to begin with.

A hard working worker is hard working by their nature. They will find a way to motivate themselves, regardless of conditions.

You would argue with a brick wall although I don't disagree with your last sentence. But that really highlights the opposite, that lazy workers will find a way to stay lazy.
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(05-30-2017 01:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that the level of service throughout the entire city is going to take a step change for the worse.

It will put a leash on job creation and you will see more of the entry level jobs disappear... This is how young people get to 21 with no job soft skills.

They don't learn. They ignore what's happened to cities that have already increased minimum wage.
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(05-30-2017 04:45 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(05-30-2017 01:27 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 01:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I went to Aruba two years straight. 2003 & 2004. In 2003, servers worked on tips. Food and drinks were reasonable, and these guys busted their butts going up and down the beach serving people. Very good service, and being american, they fought over me as a customer because americans tip, wheras europeans and asians do not.

Then in 2004 they decided to charge more for the food and drinks to give servers a better guaranteed income. You were lucky if you ever got one of the dipsh*ts to come your way. When they did, you might see your drink within the next hour or so. It was pathetic. So yes, giving the people a higher guaranteed income will make them lazy.

Your experience does not prove that it converted the same hard working workers in 2003 into lazy workers in 2004, because it could have been different workers a year later who were already lazy to begin with.

A hard working worker is hard working by their nature. They will find a way to motivate themselves, regardless of conditions.

You would argue with a brick wall although I don't disagree with your last sentence. But that really highlights the opposite, that lazy workers will find a way to stay lazy.

Hard workers are not hard workers by "their nature".
They are hard workers because they have been TAUGHT or exposed to hard work in their families.
Where will the hard workers learn to be hard workers??
Will there be a higher percentage in each successive generation who will not LEARN how to be hard workers?
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(05-30-2017 04:39 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 11:04 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
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(03-12-2017 08:08 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  This is just another example automation taking jobs in the war on labor. I get that no one wants to pay $15 an hour for a burger flipper. But what happens when all the jobs are gone? Amazon Go is another example of this ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmMk1Myrxc ). Wait until they source it out to Wal-Mart.

The luddites were asking that same question 200 years ago.

This isn't the same. Automation will soon touch almost every aspect of our lives. It won't be just low skilled labor that starts to go away. Plenty of white collar jobs will see this trend. Autonomous vehicles will do the shipping. Even if drivers are still required to be in vehicles. How much will they need to be paid. If they aren't doing the driving?

The IBM thing, Watson, can answer legal questions at a 80% accuracy rate compared to live lawyers answering at under 60% accuracy. And for free I believe. Lawyers beware.

When Watson is wrong you can't sue him 03-wink
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(05-31-2017 07:16 AM)TomorrowHerd Wrote:  Hard workers are not hard workers by "their nature".
They are hard workers because they have been TAUGHT or exposed to hard work in their families.

Let's say this is correct, for sake of the following.

Still, this does not prove that putting a hard worker into a job making high wages guaranteed will automatically transform them into a lazy worker.

It's not impossible, but not anything close to automatic.
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(05-31-2017 11:12 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(05-31-2017 07:16 AM)TomorrowHerd Wrote:  Hard workers are not hard workers by "their nature".
They are hard workers because they have been TAUGHT or exposed to hard work in their families.
Let's say this is correct, for sake of the following.
Still, this does not prove that putting a hard worker into a job making high wages guaranteed will automatically transform them into a lazy worker.
It's not impossible, but not anything close to automatic.

Let me change the hypothetical a bit.

What do you think happens to that hard worker when we put him/her into a situation where being lazy and sitting home and collecting welfare pays better than getting a job?

I don't think hard workers become lazy automatically, but when being lazy pays better than working hard, you do put them in something of a quandary.
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(05-31-2017 01:16 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-31-2017 11:12 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(05-31-2017 07:16 AM)TomorrowHerd Wrote:  Hard workers are not hard workers by "their nature".
They are hard workers because they have been TAUGHT or exposed to hard work in their families.
Let's say this is correct, for sake of the following.
Still, this does not prove that putting a hard worker into a job making high wages guaranteed will automatically transform them into a lazy worker.
It's not impossible, but not anything close to automatic.

Let me change the hypothetical a bit.

What do you think happens to that hard worker when we put him/her into a situation where being lazy and sitting home and collecting welfare pays better than getting a job?

I don't think hard workers become lazy automatically, but when being lazy pays better than working hard, you do put them in something of a quandary.

It was what fueled the initial downfall of the soviet union. The people inside said they stopped busting their ass and innovating, because others who sat around and didnt do squat got paid the same amount as they did.
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(05-31-2017 01:16 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don't think hard workers become lazy automatically, but when being lazy pays better than working hard, you do put them in something of a quandary.

The thing about hard workers, is they will apply their work where there is the most reward. That's what the left does not seem to get.

I'm a hard worker, but I won't put in 60 hours a week and countless nights on call in IT if I can make the same amount doing something which pays nearly as much and leaves me more time to work on my home, my family, my marriage.

I spent my three day weekend ripping up an old room in my house and rebuilding / painting it for the kids. Because if I'm sitting on my ass not doing anything it "feels wrong"....

I don't need a job to scratch that itch, nobody does. I coach track with the community program, I have a home to keep up, and I have four kids who are growing up too fast. Pay me the same amount of money (or near it) that I make now, but to teach, and I'll do that.
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(05-31-2017 01:16 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What do you think happens to that hard worker when we put him/her into a situation where being lazy and sitting home and collecting welfare pays better than getting a job?

I'm talking about hard workers vs lazy workers, not unemployed welfare recipients.

(05-31-2017 01:16 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don't think hard workers become lazy automatically, but when being lazy pays better than working hard, you do put them in something of a quandary.

It shouldn't be a quandary, IMO. Not saying that to be dismissive of your point.

I mean that both in an ethical sense, and in a human nature sense:
- ethically, you should work as hard as you can, regardless of what someone else does. What they do is their business, and not your business. It should be none of your concern that they get paid the same as you do, even though you perceive them to be doing less work than you.
- in the sense of human nature, again to what I was trying to get at, if a person has the quality of being a hard worker, then they won't allow themselves to just sit around and be lazy ... they don't function that way. If the job is just flipping burgers, then they're going to flip the burgers as hard as they can flip.


(05-31-2017 01:19 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The people inside said they stopped busting their ass and innovating, because others who sat around and didnt do squat got paid the same amount as they did.

That makes no sense to me.

You're a brilliant scientist, who has an opportunity to work hard and contribute to scientific knowledge. But, because the government "only" pays you the same as someone with an inferior occupation ... you're just going to sit on your gift and spoil your life?? Makes no sense.


(05-31-2017 01:20 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  The thing about hard workers, is they will apply their work where there is the most reward.

I think that's anyone's right, as they see fit and are able.

But the thing to consider is that "reward" doesn't just have to be dollars! It can be different things to different people, and in different scenarios.
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(05-31-2017 11:12 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(05-31-2017 07:16 AM)TomorrowHerd Wrote:  Hard workers are not hard workers by "their nature".
They are hard workers because they have been TAUGHT or exposed to hard work in their families.

Let's say this is correct, for sake of the following.

Still, this does not prove that putting a hard worker into a job making high wages guaranteed will automatically transform them into a lazy worker.

It's not impossible, but not anything close to automatic.

Paying a hard woker the same as a lazy worker ($15) would breed resentment.
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(05-31-2017 10:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  But the thing to consider is that "reward" doesn't just have to be dollars! It can be different things to different people, and in different scenarios.

What is nearly every worker strike of our time motivated by? Benefits and pay....

There are some, a very small percent, of people who don't work for the money. But I ask you to consider this..

Now you're talking a small percent (people not motivated by money) of a small percent (People who are hard workers).... You cant run an economy at any scale on that.
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(05-31-2017 11:19 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Paying a hard woker the same as a lazy worker ($15) would breed resentment.

My response to this is the same as my response to UoMsU: another person's business is their business, and you should focus on your business. Control the things you can control, excel where you have the opportunity to do so.


(05-31-2017 11:22 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  What is nearly every worker strike of our time motivated by? Benefits and pay....

There are some, a very small percent, of people who don't work for the money. But I ask you to consider this..

Now you're talking a small percent (people not motivated by money) of a small percent (People who are hard workers).... You cant run an economy at any scale on that.

The gist I was trying to get at was along the lines of someone who chooses to take less pay in one job over another job because the work in the first job is more rewarding.

I don't understand why you think that an economy of large scale can't run efficiently if its workers aren't solely motivated by maximizing earnings ...
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(03-11-2017 08:39 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  The owner of CaliBurger has installed robotic burger flippers in his restaurants at a cost of $30,000 each.

Having one burger flipper working at all times, making minimum wage, with a 20% add-on for FICA, disability and unemployment insurance, would cost the owner $50,000 per year.

Ah oh!!!

This is awesome. I can't wait to show my students. Maybe it will motivate them to get an education.
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(06-01-2017 02:13 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(05-31-2017 11:19 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Paying a hard woker the same as a lazy worker ($15) would breed resentment.

My response to this is the same as my response to UoMsU: another person's business is their business, and you should focus on your business. Control the things you can control, excel where you have the opportunity to do so.

You know what Mpls... I went without a raise this year because a guy on my team was underpaid and I did not want to lose him. But if next year I am not given a raise, I'll leave.

You can say "mind your business" all you like but you know dang well that at the end of the day a person who was making 15$ an hour after having earned that amount will resent having TFNG who does not know his ass from his elbow making the same amount.

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(05-31-2017 11:22 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  What is nearly every worker strike of our time motivated by? Benefits and pay....

The gist I was trying to get at was along the lines of someone who chooses to take less pay in one job over another job because the work in the first job is more rewarding.

That person is likely not supporting other people..... I like my job, I get to work from home most days so I'd not move for a 2-3% raise. But if I could get 10-15% somewhere else, I'm gone.

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Quote:I don't understand why you think that an economy of large scale can't run efficiently if its workers aren't solely motivated by maximizing earnings ...

People are not shaped by economies, economies are shaped by people. Every time someone has tried to engineer people around an economic concept it has failed horribly.

So people *WILL* be motivated by maximum earnings because they are people.
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(06-01-2017 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:39 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  The owner of CaliBurger has installed robotic burger flippers in his restaurants at a cost of $30,000 each.

Having one burger flipper working at all times, making minimum wage, with a 20% add-on for FICA, disability and unemployment insurance, would cost the owner $50,000 per year.

Ah oh!!!

This is awesome. I can't wait to show my students. Maybe it will motivate them to get an education.

See for me the concern was not that they will be flipping burgers or unemployed as adults. The concern I have around this is that the jobs teens used to get to learn life skills are going away.

So when they are adults, no matter how educated, they won't be ready for the workforce.
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(06-01-2017 07:47 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  But if next year I am not given a raise, I'll leave.

(06-01-2017 07:47 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  I like my job, I get to work from home most days so I'd not move for a 2-3% raise. But if I could get 10-15% somewhere else, I'm gone.

I have never said that this isn't or shouldn't be your right, as a worker. It is (and should be) your right, and if that is what you desire, then best of luck to you.

(06-01-2017 07:47 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  You can say "mind your business" all you like but you know dang well that at the end of the day a person who was making 15$ an hour after having earned that amount will resent having TFNG who does not know his ass from his elbow making the same amount.

Allow me to use a hypothetical scenario to make my point:

- you're a veteran employee at a job, and making $11/hr, which is not great but livable and considered at the top end of the pay range for that job. New guys come in at minimum wage and build themselves up.
- the law changes, and now every in the job makes $15/hr, period, as a minimum. The company can't afford much more than that, but nonetheless gives you 5% on top of that for being the best guy on the job .. so you're at $15.75/hr.

- you just went from $11/hr to $15.75/hr. That's life changing. You're getting more money to do your job.

There shouldn't be anything else to discuss. It's none of your business what anyone else makes. You know what you make. And you're either satisfied with that amount, or you're not, in which case you're free to seek employment elsewhere.

I don't understand, for the life of me, the concept of wanting to suppress another person's wages out of some definition of "fairness", *IF* doing so won't have any impact on your own wages. Makes no sense to me, at all.

(06-01-2017 07:47 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  So people *WILL* be motivated by maximum earnings because they are people.

You just said that you stayed on without getting a raise. You are not maximizing your earnings.

Motivation is more complex than just wages. I don't think there's much of an argument to be made to the opposite.
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(06-02-2017 01:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Allow me to use a hypothetical scenario to make my point:

- you're a veteran employee at a job, and making $11/hr, which is not great but livable and considered at the top end of the pay range for that job. New guys come in at minimum wage and build themselves up.
- the law changes, and now every in the job makes $15/hr, period, as a minimum. The company can't afford much more than that, but nonetheless gives you 5% on top of that for being the best guy on the job .. so you're at $15.75/hr.
- you just went from $11/hr to $15.75/hr. That's life changing. You're getting more money to do your job.

This plays out two ways

(1) Everyone makes 15.75 an hour who was making less than that - You can now make that anywhere, you don't even have to work hard to get there. Businesses suffer, quality suffers, and resentment sets in between the people who work hard to bring more than 15$ an hour of value and those who do not.

(2) You have to boost everyone 6$ an hour which raises the price of everything and pretty much negates most of whatever improvement that was meant to bring.

Quote:There shouldn't be anything else to discuss. It's none of your business what anyone else makes.

Says the side that wants to tell other people what everyone should make...

Quote:I don't understand, for the life of me, the concept of wanting to suppress another person's wages out of some definition of "fairness", *IF* doing so won't have any impact on your own wages. Makes no sense to me, at all.

No you don't understand... Because my position is not aimed at "suppressing wages"

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(06-01-2017 07:47 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  So people *WILL* be motivated by maximum earnings because they are people.

You just said that you stayed on without getting a raise. You are not maximizing your earnings.

I also said, if it happens again, even though I love my job, I'm out...

Quote:Motivation is more complex than just wages.

1) I used the word compensation, and I picked it over wages for a reason.
2) I never said 100% of people are motivate by compensation, I said most every person was.
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(03-11-2017 08:39 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  The owner of CaliBurger has installed robotic burger flippers in his restaurants at a cost of $30,000 each.

Having one burger flipper working at all times, making minimum wage, with a 20% add-on for FICA, disability and unemployment insurance, would cost the owner $50,000 per year.

Ah oh!!!

This is awesome. I can't wait to show my students. Maybe it will motivate them to get an education.

See for me the concern was not that they will be flipping burgers or unemployed as adults. The concern I have around this is that the jobs teens used to get to learn life skills are going away.

So when they are adults, no matter how educated, they won't be ready for the workforce.

You make a good point. I have worked with many, many new teachers who went to high school and straight to college and teaching was their very first job. They are shocked to find what the working world is like.
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(06-02-2017 01:27 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  This plays out two ways

(1) Everyone makes 15.75 an hour who was making less than that - You can now make that anywhere, you don't even have to work hard to get there. Businesses suffer, quality suffers, and resentment sets in between the people who work hard to bring more than 15$ an hour of value and those who do not.

(2) You have to boost everyone 6$ an hour which raises the price of everything and pretty much negates most of whatever improvement that was meant to bring.

I was discussing why I disagree that someone should be resentful.

It appears you're moving on to broader consequences of a higher minimum wage. I want to settle the resentful thing first, though.

(06-02-2017 01:27 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Says the side that wants to tell other people what everyone should make...

I disagree with that. People who support a minimum wage (of $X/hr) want to set a minimum. But they make no demands about anything above that.

(06-02-2017 01:27 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Because my position is not aimed at "suppressing wages"

Let's pretend someone's counter-position (not yours, per se) is this:

- a veteran making $11/hr and a new guy making $7/hr is "fair"
- a veteran making $16/hr and a new guy making $15/hr is "unfair"
- to make the second scenario "fair", the new guy's wage should be reduced to $10.18/hr while the veteran's stays at $16/hr

You can see the logic of this counter-position, right? That is what I was referring to by "suppressing" wages.

(06-02-2017 01:27 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  1) I used the word compensation, and I picked it over wages for a reason.
2) I never said 100% of people are motivate by compensation, I said most every person was.

OK, but the post I was originally responding to said "So people *WILL* be motivated by maximum [compensation] because they are people."

I'm trying to get to the root of why you believe this to be true. Even if it's overall compensation, rather than just wages ... I believe worker motivations can and are more complex than just that factor. And I believe an economy can still run efficiently, given that.
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