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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 09:23 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:57 AM)Hoots Wrote:  Let's see what the recruits bring to the table next season. Assuming we lose only DL, I'm actually cautiously optimistic that we'll see an improvement next year. I don't believe Tubby is coasting or that he's lost his passion for coaching. He's never been a big rah-rah guy. Doesn't mean he doesn't care. I'm all for giving him a year or two grace period to analyze what he has, fix it, and move forward.

So from solidly out of the NIT to maybe an NIT bubble team or 5-6 NIT SEED?

You'd be good with that?

Did you read what I said? Did I say I'd be good with that?
03-11-2017 06:33 PM
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 06:33 PM)Hoots Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 09:23 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:57 AM)Hoots Wrote:  Let's see what the recruits bring to the table next season. Assuming we lose only DL, I'm actually cautiously optimistic that we'll see an improvement next year. I don't believe Tubby is coasting or that he's lost his passion for coaching. He's never been a big rah-rah guy. Doesn't mean he doesn't care. I'm all for giving him a year or two grace period to analyze what he has, fix it, and move forward.

So from solidly out of the NIT to maybe an NIT bubble team or 5-6 NIT SEED?

You'd be good with that?

Did you read what I said? Did I say I'd be good with that?

If DL goes then I see a worse year but you see some improvement. Some (as opposed to vast) improvement would be to get into the NIT.

That's what I got from your post and you seemed ok with that.

Trust me. If DL goes pro this team will struggle to get to 16-18 wins even with the **** schedule they will be playing.
03-11-2017 08:17 PM
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 08:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 06:33 PM)Hoots Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 09:23 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:57 AM)Hoots Wrote:  Let's see what the recruits bring to the table next season. Assuming we lose only DL, I'm actually cautiously optimistic that we'll see an improvement next year. I don't believe Tubby is coasting or that he's lost his passion for coaching. He's never been a big rah-rah guy. Doesn't mean he doesn't care. I'm all for giving him a year or two grace period to analyze what he has, fix it, and move forward.

So from solidly out of the NIT to maybe an NIT bubble team or 5-6 NIT SEED?

You'd be good with that?

Did you read what I said? Did I say I'd be good with that?

If DL goes then I see a worse year but you see some improvement. Some (as opposed to vast) improvement would be to get into the NIT.

That's what I got from your post and you seemed ok with that.

Trust me. If DL goes pro this team will struggle to get to 16-18 wins even with the **** schedule they will be playing.

I'm not ready to say that. We have to wait to see how the roster is filled out. Also you have to factor in the progression of players like Jeremiah and KJ. I also think Jamal Johnson has a chance to be really good. Maybe not dominate but contribute. Lastly, Azab and Keon are two players that could be interesting pieces too.
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 09:57 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 09:46 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Today, Tubby should cut out the cancer that is in the program.

And who might that be, Daddy?

Really?

OK, I'll spell it out for you. Remove anything from the team that is named Lawson.

DL is going to play in Serbia or Minot SD next year and ride a bus to games. Will be a loss to the team, but it is what it is.

KJ is just an over-rated, out of control player with a marginal BB IQ. He can make some plays, hits free throws, but does some plain stupid stuff that demonstrates he is trying to play above his basic skill level.

Daddy is just plain and simple a disruption to the coaching dynamics of the staff. Tubby hinted at it in the post game. He said he would have handled some things different.

Just clean house, rebuild and let's see where this train goes.
03-12-2017 11:08 AM
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
OK. Plan 1

Keep Tubby and his son for future hire.
Get rid of every Lawson.
How about the other Memphis players?

Is there a Plan 2?
03-12-2017 03:49 PM
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 08:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 06:33 PM)Hoots Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 09:23 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:57 AM)Hoots Wrote:  Let's see what the recruits bring to the table next season. Assuming we lose only DL, I'm actually cautiously optimistic that we'll see an improvement next year. I don't believe Tubby is coasting or that he's lost his passion for coaching. He's never been a big rah-rah guy. Doesn't mean he doesn't care. I'm all for giving him a year or two grace period to analyze what he has, fix it, and move forward.

So from solidly out of the NIT to maybe an NIT bubble team or 5-6 NIT SEED?

You'd be good with that?

Did you read what I said? Did I say I'd be good with that?

If DL goes then I see a worse year but you see some improvement. Some (as opposed to vast) improvement would be to get into the NIT.

That's what I got from your post and you seemed ok with that.

Trust me. If DL goes pro this team will struggle to get to 16-18 wins even with the **** schedule they will be playing.

Sorry, I may have come across sounding like DL leaving would be a reason for optimism. I didn't mean that. What I was trying to convey was that, even if he DOES leave, I'd still be cautiously optimistic that the Tigers could have a good team next year.
03-13-2017 04:12 PM
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-13-2017 04:12 PM)Hoots Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 06:33 PM)Hoots Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 09:23 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:57 AM)Hoots Wrote:  Let's see what the recruits bring to the table next season. Assuming we lose only DL, I'm actually cautiously optimistic that we'll see an improvement next year. I don't believe Tubby is coasting or that he's lost his passion for coaching. He's never been a big rah-rah guy. Doesn't mean he doesn't care. I'm all for giving him a year or two grace period to analyze what he has, fix it, and move forward.

So from solidly out of the NIT to maybe an NIT bubble team or 5-6 NIT SEED?

You'd be good with that?

Did you read what I said? Did I say I'd be good with that?

If DL goes then I see a worse year but you see some improvement. Some (as opposed to vast) improvement would be to get into the NIT.

That's what I got from your post and you seemed ok with that.

Trust me. If DL goes pro this team will struggle to get to 16-18 wins even with the **** schedule they will be playing.

Sorry, I may have come across sounding like DL leaving would be a reason for optimism. I didn't mean that. What I was trying to convey was that, even if he DOES leave, I'd still be cautiously optimistic that the Tigers could have a good team next year.

I'm with you. We sometimes forget all the other teams are losing players too. Even if we lose our best player, if he's the only one, we lose less than most other teams losing 2-3 starters.
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-13-2017 04:12 PM)Hoots Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 06:33 PM)Hoots Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 09:23 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:57 AM)Hoots Wrote:  Let's see what the recruits bring to the table next season. Assuming we lose only DL, I'm actually cautiously optimistic that we'll see an improvement next year. I don't believe Tubby is coasting or that he's lost his passion for coaching. He's never been a big rah-rah guy. Doesn't mean he doesn't care. I'm all for giving him a year or two grace period to analyze what he has, fix it, and move forward.

So from solidly out of the NIT to maybe an NIT bubble team or 5-6 NIT SEED?

You'd be good with that?

Did you read what I said? Did I say I'd be good with that?

If DL goes then I see a worse year but you see some improvement. Some (as opposed to vast) improvement would be to get into the NIT.

That's what I got from your post and you seemed ok with that.

Trust me. If DL goes pro this team will struggle to get to 16-18 wins even with the **** schedule they will be playing.

Sorry, I may have come across sounding like DL leaving would be a reason for optimism. I didn't mean that. What I was trying to convey was that, even if he DOES leave, I'd still be cautiously optimistic that the Tigers could have a good team next year.

If DL leaves they will have no experience at the 4-5 spots. None. They will have Martin back as an average point guard backed up by Clergeot and Markel back at the 2. Jimario is a really skinny 3-4 and KJ is a 3.

I guess you build a team around KJ and hope the recruiting services really missed on some of the incoming Freshmen? Maybe mix in a juco and a grad transfer hope the chemistry just magically happens.

Tubby isn't getting Cal, Self, Williams freshmen; he's getting 2 year projects. The guys he's brining in will be about like Clergeot when it comes to first year contribution. They may be really good by their junior year but that doesn't help much if any for next season......

I guess it all depends on your definition of good. Maybe make the NIT? Just curious as to what would give you optimism for next year without DL on the team? I don't see anyone who would come close to replacing the combined productivity of the Lawsons.......
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-13-2017 04:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:12 PM)Hoots Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 06:33 PM)Hoots Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 09:23 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  So from solidly out of the NIT to maybe an NIT bubble team or 5-6 NIT SEED?

You'd be good with that?

Did you read what I said? Did I say I'd be good with that?

If DL goes then I see a worse year but you see some improvement. Some (as opposed to vast) improvement would be to get into the NIT.

That's what I got from your post and you seemed ok with that.

Trust me. If DL goes pro this team will struggle to get to 16-18 wins even with the **** schedule they will be playing.

Sorry, I may have come across sounding like DL leaving would be a reason for optimism. I didn't mean that. What I was trying to convey was that, even if he DOES leave, I'd still be cautiously optimistic that the Tigers could have a good team next year.

If DL leaves they will have no experience at the 4-5 spots. None. They will have Martin back as an average point guard backed up by Clergeot and Markel back at the 2. Jimario is a really skinny 3-4 and KJ is a 3.

I guess you build a team around KJ and hope the recruiting services really missed on some of the incoming Freshmen? Maybe mix in a juco and a grad transfer hope the chemistry just magically happens.

Tubby isn't getting Cal, Self, Williams freshmen; he's getting 2 year projects. The guys he's brining in will be about like Clergeot when it comes to first year contribution. They may be really good by their junior year but that doesn't help much if any for next season......

I guess it all depends on your definition of good. Maybe make the NIT? Just curious as to what would give you optimism for next year without DL on the team? I don't see anyone who would come close to replacing the combined productivity of the Lawsons.......

Get me a big who can rebound and defend and a guard who can create and one of the other guys improve their shot and we will be better next year that this year with Lawson. Have that and Lawson returns and we can be in the tourney
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 09:23 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:57 AM)Hoots Wrote:  Let's see what the recruits bring to the table next season. Assuming we lose only DL, I'm actually cautiously optimistic that we'll see an improvement next year. I don't believe Tubby is coasting or that he's lost his passion for coaching. He's never been a big rah-rah guy. Doesn't mean he doesn't care. I'm all for giving him a year or two grace period to analyze what he has, fix it, and move forward.

So from solidly out of the NIT to maybe an NIT bubble team or 5-6 NIT SEED?

You'd be good with that?

What do you suggest? Should we fire him based on a single season? What kind of message does that send to potential new hires? Screw up one season and you're out of here?

I no more appreciated this season than anyone else but damn give the man a chance. For me it all comes down to supporting the program which is larger than any single individual including the current coach. Give him the same time any other hire would get and barring a Tic Price magnitude event let him coach. If he can't get it done by the end of year three then look to replace him.

There were few coaches waiting in the wings for his job and fewer still who one might safely assume would get us back to any semblance of relevance in one or two seasons.
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