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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 12:13 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 12:04 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:47 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:35 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  I think we are seeing a return to normalcy. Not a great year, but it may serve as a stabilizing year. No mid year transfers, no game suspensions, minimal drama from within the team. Very disappointing the last quarter of the year, but the team did look solid when everyone was playing together. Hopefully Coach can build on the positives and teach with the negatives.

You're likely losing your first team all conference forward and replacing him with a freshman or a one year rental? I doubt the team is better next year if DL goes.

It can get better if we see the awesome Markel we saw in some games this season all season long, if Martin develops a jump shot and develops his off hand and KJ develops a reliable 3 point shot.

Guard play can win this league if you have bigs who can defend.

Over the years I've learned to the that once you get to three 'ifs' you are wishing in one hand and shitting in the other.

If DL cones back you have a stud to build around and the Tigers should expect to make the NIT and be a bubble NCAA team. If he leaves then you still have poor guard play to deal with and will be counting on a bunch of freshmen / jucos / grad transfers for depth and production. Not happening.

Yo can't even call this year a rebuilding year because ole Tubs did have any freshmen on the roster to get experience. He just took a year off and set the program back another year because he was lazy.

Oh I agree it is unlikely if Dedric leaves that we get better but it is not impossible
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 01:23 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  We have to trust the coach

Why? I didn't trust Pastner and you didn't either.

Tubby has to earn the trust of the fan base and the way the last 1/4 of the season went he lost his gold card status.

I don't care what he did 15-20 years ago. I care what he's done at Memphis.

(a) By his own admission did not provide an adequate off season strength and conditioning program for what he KNEW would be a short roster.

(b) Did not bust his ass recruiting to add depth to what he KNEW would be a short roster

© Piled up wins against ****** competition early in the season by over playing his core 4 players to artificially inflate the W-L record.

(d) (a) - © above led to a late season tailspin which, according to the last 10-11 years of data seems to be a hallmark of Tubby's teams.

(e) He completely and totally lost this team at the end of the year. They quit on him and on themselves.

(f) Ended the year with two historic losses the likes of which haven't been seen in Tiger basketball since 1935; over 80 years ago.

Now, tell me again why I should blindly trust Tubby,
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 01:47 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 01:23 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  We have to trust the coach

Why? I didn't trust Pastner and you didn't either.

Tubby has to earn the trust of the fan base and the way the last 1/4 of the season went he lost his gold card status.

I don't care what he did 15-20 years ago. I care what he's done at Memphis.

(a) By his own admission did not provide an adequate off season strength and conditioning program for what he KNEW would be a short roster.

(b) Did not bust his ass recruiting to add depth to what he KNEW would be a short roster

© Piled up wins against ****** competition early in the season by over playing his core 4 players to artificially inflate the W-L record.

(d) (a) - © above led to a late season tailspin which, according to the last 10-11 years of data seems to be a hallmark of Tubby's teams.

(e) He completely and totally lost this team at the end of the year. They quit on him and on themselves.

(f) Ended the year with two historic losses the likes of which haven't been seen in Tiger basketball since 1935; over 80 years ago.

Now, tell me again why I should blindly trust Tubby,

Sarcasm man! 04-cheers
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 01:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 12:13 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 12:04 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:47 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 08:35 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  I think we are seeing a return to normalcy. Not a great year, but it may serve as a stabilizing year. No mid year transfers, no game suspensions, minimal drama from within the team. Very disappointing the last quarter of the year, but the team did look solid when everyone was playing together. Hopefully Coach can build on the positives and teach with the negatives.

You're likely losing your first team all conference forward and replacing him with a freshman or a one year rental? I doubt the team is better next year if DL goes.

It can get better if we see the awesome Markel we saw in some games this season all season long, if Martin develops a jump shot and develops his off hand and KJ develops a reliable 3 point shot.

Guard play can win this league if you have bigs who can defend.

Over the years I've learned to the that once you get to three 'ifs' you are wishing in one hand and shitting in the other.

If DL cones back you have a stud to build around and the Tigers should expect to make the NIT and be a bubble NCAA team. If he leaves then you still have poor guard play to deal with and will be counting on a bunch of freshmen / jucos / grad transfers for depth and production. Not happening.

Yo can't even call this year a rebuilding year because ole Tubs did have any freshmen on the roster to get experience. He just took a year off and set the program back another year because he was lazy.

Oh I agree it is unlikely if Dedric leaves that we get better but it is not impossible

I doubt we will be as bad as our last two games.
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I think they will be better if they can find someone that can hit some shots...they don't have anybody that can do that on this team. Woodson would have been a huge help if he had stayed.
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They hit them in practice...is what we used to hear.

It takes coaching and balls to hit them in real time.
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 01:52 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 01:47 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 01:23 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  We have to trust the coach

Why? I didn't trust Pastner and you didn't either.

Tubby has to earn the trust of the fan base and the way the last 1/4 of the season went he lost his gold card status.

I don't care what he did 15-20 years ago. I care what he's done at Memphis.

(a) By his own admission did not provide an adequate off season strength and conditioning program for what he KNEW would be a short roster.

(b) Did not bust his ass recruiting to add depth to what he KNEW would be a short roster

© Piled up wins against ****** competition early in the season by over playing his core 4 players to artificially inflate the W-L record.

(d) (a) - © above led to a late season tailspin which, according to the last 10-11 years of data seems to be a hallmark of Tubby's teams.

(e) He completely and totally lost this team at the end of the year. They quit on him and on themselves.

(f) Ended the year with two historic losses the likes of which haven't been seen in Tiger basketball since 1935; over 80 years ago.

Now, tell me again why I should blindly trust Tubby,

Sarcasm man! 04-cheers

Well I ******* missed that, lol.
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 01:47 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 01:23 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  We have to trust the coach

Why? I didn't trust Pastner and you didn't either.

Tubby has to earn the trust of the fan base and the way the last 1/4 of the season went he lost his gold card status.

I don't care what he did 15-20 years ago. I care what he's done at Memphis.

(a) By his own admission did not provide an adequate off season strength and conditioning program for what he KNEW would be a short roster.

(b) Did not bust his ass recruiting to add depth to what he KNEW would be a short roster

© Piled up wins against ****** competition early in the season by over playing his core 4 players to artificially inflate the W-L record.

(d) (a) - © above led to a late season tailspin which, according to the last 10-11 years of data seems to be a hallmark of Tubby's teams.

(e) He completely and totally lost this team at the end of the year. They quit on him and on themselves.

(f) Ended the year with two historic losses the likes of which haven't been seen in Tiger basketball since 1935; over 80 years ago.

Now, tell me again why I should blindly trust Tubby,

And you're right with most if not all of what you posted. You're also right that I didn't trust josh. I did give him the first year and I noticed how he dealt with his players in year two. I was certain at that time we were in trouble, but I thought (foolishly on my part) that we would still win because of the players. I was partially correct. We were able to win against the cusa teams and weak competition with regularity. However, in Josh's final three seasons he would begin to show signs that he could get beat by teams that we should be beating. And obviously he almost never beat any top 25 teams (five in seven years). Lastly, players were leaving the program and his recruiting dropped off big time. I said all that to say this----> through all of that I kept paying for my season tickets until year 7. I made a decision that if they wouldn't make a change I would give up my seats. I gave up my seats for year 7 of the Wonder Boy era, but to my credit, I did keep going for his first six seasons. Prior to that, I had a streak of going to games dating back to just before the arrival of the great Keith Lee, which means I sat through the Tic and Johnny show. So, I say all that to say, I will give Tubby all of next season and if it gets ugly, I may bow out again. But for myself, he deserves me to be loyal and give him time just like I did all the coaches prior to him. This in my opinion is how a real fan should be. The good news for you and I and other Tiger fans is Tubby knows he has to fix all of it or he'll finish his career in a crappy way. He now knows the fans aren't going to put up with a crap product.
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 02:26 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 01:47 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 01:23 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  We have to trust the coach

Why? I didn't trust Pastner and you didn't either.

Tubby has to earn the trust of the fan base and the way the last 1/4 of the season went he lost his gold card status.

I don't care what he did 15-20 years ago. I care what he's done at Memphis.

(a) By his own admission did not provide an adequate off season strength and conditioning program for what he KNEW would be a short roster.

(b) Did not bust his ass recruiting to add depth to what he KNEW would be a short roster

© Piled up wins against ****** competition early in the season by over playing his core 4 players to artificially inflate the W-L record.

(d) (a) - © above led to a late season tailspin which, according to the last 10-11 years of data seems to be a hallmark of Tubby's teams.

(e) He completely and totally lost this team at the end of the year. They quit on him and on themselves.

(f) Ended the year with two historic losses the likes of which haven't been seen in Tiger basketball since 1935; over 80 years ago.

Now, tell me again why I should blindly trust Tubby,

And you're right with most if not all of what you posted. You're also right that I didn't trust josh. I did give him the first year and I noticed how he dealt with his players in year two. I was certain at that time we were in trouble, but I thought (foolishly on my part) that we would still win because of the players. I was partially correct. We were able to win against the cusa teams and weak competition with regularity. However, in Josh's final three seasons he would begin to show signs that he could get beat by teams that we should be beating. And obviously he almost never beat any top 25 teams (five in seven years). Lastly, players were leaving the program and his recruiting dropped off big time. I said all that to say this----> through all of that I kept paying for my season tickets until year 7. I made a decision that if they wouldn't make a change I would give up my seats. I gave up my seats for year 7 of the Wonder Boy era, but to my credit, I did keep going for his first six seasons. Prior to that, I had a streak of going to games dating back to just before the arrival of the great Keith Lee, which means I sat through the Tic and Johnny show. So, I say all that to say, I will give Tubby all of next season and if it gets ugly, I may bow out again. But for myself, he deserves me to be loyal and give him time just like I did all the coaches prior to him. This in my opinion is how a real fan should be. The good news for you and I and other Tiger fans is Tubby knows he has to fix all of it or he'll finish his career in a crappy way. He now knows the fans aren't going to put up with a crap product.

All of that if fair. It's just a shame that Tubby made decisions that basically wasted this year and set the program back another year. He should have known that in Memphis, basketball is a big deal unlike Minnesota and Texas Tech where he could just **** around and no one would mind all that much.

Unless he resigns he's got 3 more years. The way he's doing things it looks like it may very well be his 4th year before he can put an NCAA tournament team on the floor, if then.

Too bad for Memphis fans.......
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RE: Tubby's post UCF interview - end of season
(03-11-2017 02:18 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 01:52 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 01:47 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 01:23 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  We have to trust the coach

Why? I didn't trust Pastner and you didn't either.

Tubby has to earn the trust of the fan base and the way the last 1/4 of the season went he lost his gold card status.

I don't care what he did 15-20 years ago. I care what he's done at Memphis.

(a) By his own admission did not provide an adequate off season strength and conditioning program for what he KNEW would be a short roster.

(b) Did not bust his ass recruiting to add depth to what he KNEW would be a short roster

© Piled up wins against ****** competition early in the season by over playing his core 4 players to artificially inflate the W-L record.

(d) (a) - © above led to a late season tailspin which, according to the last 10-11 years of data seems to be a hallmark of Tubby's teams.

(e) He completely and totally lost this team at the end of the year. They quit on him and on themselves.

(f) Ended the year with two historic losses the likes of which haven't been seen in Tiger basketball since 1935; over 80 years ago.

Now, tell me again why I should blindly trust Tubby,

Sarcasm man! 04-cheers

Well I ******* missed that, lol.

It's cool man.

I forgot to add in my long post that I went and got my old seats back when I saw josh was gone. I got my exact seats. Which means nobody came to get my seats. Look at the money I saved 03-lmfao And another point, Tubby can't be here long since he's 65, right?
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