(03-10-2017 09:34 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 08:55 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 08:48 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 08:14 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:54 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Pointing out someone all over the road.

Whatever makes you feel good amigo.

But you're wrong so there's that.

Last year you would've called an AD who even considered hiring Dawkins here at Memphis an idiot because of his record. This year you imply we should've hired someone like him because, after he was hired, he brought in grad transfers. You're all over the road with your opinions. It's like claiming whichever team just won the Super Bowl was your favorite team.

I never said I would hire Dawkins amigo.

You moved the goal post on the discussion not me.

Back to the topic YOU started:

I'm simply explaining how one coach got to work from day one and didn't punt on a season.

You act like Chad Rykhoek was the absolute best that could have been done which is not true since the 15-15 coach did better.

Sadly for this staff that may be true.

That's my point. By your own admission, you wouldn't have hired a coach like Dawkins, but now that he has taken over a team whose top five scorers (including a 7'6" center) were all returning sophomores, juniors and seniors and they're doing well, you want to jump on his bandwagon -- and you want to everyone to believe that their sixth leading scorer is the sole reason for their success because he's a grad transfer and that's part of your mantra.

No, I don't have any idea why we got Chad. Maybe Chad made overtures first, and Tubby thought he might help out our dearth of bigs. Who knows? But the fact that the former 15-15 coach did better than Memphis this year has absolutely nothing to do with which graduate transfers we could've gotten to come here. Neither of us knows the answer to that question, but in your mind and in your posts, your speculation becomes proven fact. It's not. It's speculation.

The 15-15 coach did better recruiting is the point.

The rest is irrelevant.

(03-10-2017 06:57 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 05:14 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I'm sure they would have done equally well with Chad in place of Taco.

Johnny Dawkins actually went out and signed grad transfers who could play.

Dawkins only signed 1 Grad Transfer, Nick Banyard, who wasn't a regular starter for Illinois State last year and averaged just 5 pts per game last season but ended up having a solid finish to his only year at UCF.

Dawkins had just 6 other scholarship players this year as he used 4 scholarships on transfers who sat out this year, while a returning guard tire his ACL in summer and missed the year, and his only HAS signee was never cleared by NCAA Clearinghouse, hence why some walk ons got PT this year and or starters had to play 39-40 mins a game.

(03-10-2017 09:52 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:57 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 05:14 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I'm sure they would have done equally well with Chad in place of Taco.

Johnny Dawkins actually went out and signed grad transfers who could play.

Dawkins only signed 1 Grad Transfer, Nick Banyard, who wasn't a regular starter for Illinois State last year and averaged just 5 pts per game last season but ended up having a solid finish to his only year at UCF.

Dawkins had just 6 other scholarship players this year as he used 4 scholarships on transfers who sat out this year, while a returning guard tire his ACL in summer and missed the year, and his only HAS signee was never cleared by NCAA Clearinghouse, hence why some walk ons got PT this year and or starters had to play 39-40 mins a game.

When you lose by 30 in bball to UCF, it makes you want to shut it all down. Why even bother. We might as well be Tulsa or Southern Miss or pick your irrelevant school.

As a UCF guy, you're probably thinking we have no right to be high and mighty. But we really do. We've been to three Final Fours and two title games (stop it with the vacated bs). So when you fall to this level, it's super depressing.

More recent than your national championship game appearance was our Fiesta Bowl win and a 10-0 or something record against you.

We have some ahole fans in Orlando but I think most of were able to comprehend that not only did UCF get really bad in football but that Memphis also got really good. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

(03-10-2017 09:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  The 15-15 coach did better recruiting is the point.

The rest is irrelevant.

--------------Points-----Rebounds
Chad -------- 4.1--------- 1.9
Kessee ------1.8 -------- 0.6
Clergeot ---- 3.7 -------- 1.2
========== 9.6 ===== 3.7

Banyard ---- 5.9 -------- 6.1


Uh huh. He killed it recruiting.

(03-10-2017 10:44 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  The 15-15 coach did better recruiting is the point.

The rest is irrelevant.

--------------Points-----Rebounds
Chad -------- 4.1--------- 1.9
Kessee ------1.8 -------- 0.6
Clergeot ---- 3.7 -------- 1.2
========== 9.6 ===== 3.7

Banyard ---- 5.9 -------- 6.1


Uh huh. He killed it recruiting.

I'm sure you wouldn't but I'd trade 3 for 1 without blinking an eye.

He also has 4 DI transfers sitting out.

We have three 3 star freshman...and 1 might not make it.

But whatever at this point.

(03-10-2017 08:06 PM)fsquid Wrote:  How many grad transfers were available at his hiring that went on to play 15 mpg at top 50 programs. I'd be interested in that.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using CSNbbs mobile app

are we top 50? maybe top 100

(03-10-2017 10:44 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  The 15-15 coach did better recruiting is the point.

The rest is irrelevant.

--------------Points-----Rebounds
Chad -------- 4.1--------- 1.9
Kessee ------1.8 -------- 0.6
Clergeot ---- 3.7 -------- 1.2
========== 9.6 ===== 3.7

Banyard ---- 5.9 -------- 6.1


Uh huh. He killed it recruiting.

Points:

Banyard: 176

Three amigos: 219

Rebounds:
Banyard 184

Three amigos: 81

(03-10-2017 10:59 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 10:44 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  The 15-15 coach did better recruiting is the point.

The rest is irrelevant.

--------------Points-----Rebounds
Chad -------- 4.1--------- 1.9
Kessee ------1.8 -------- 0.6
Clergeot ---- 3.7 -------- 1.2
========== 9.6 ===== 3.7

Banyard ---- 5.9 -------- 6.1


Uh huh. He killed it recruiting.

I'm sure you wouldn't but I'd trade 3 for 1 without blinking an eye.

He also has 4 DI transfers sitting out.

We have three 3 star freshman...and 1 might not make it.

But whatever at this point.

We'll be two deep at every position next year except for shooting guard, and we'll be three deep there without adding anyone. That's assuming Azab is cleared to play and Chad gets another year. Neither may happen. But if everyone except Dedric is back/cleared, we'll only have two open scholarships. And I would still put point guard as our biggest need -- but that's assuming at least one or two of these freshmen can actually shoot the ball. The depth we were lacking this year will not be the problem next year. The lack of talent may still be. We'll just have to wait and see.

(03-10-2017 07:37 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:57 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 05:14 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I'm sure they would have done equally well with Chad in place of Taco.

Johnny Dawkins actually went out and signed grad transfers who could play.

He was 15-15, 8-10 in conference and finished 9th in the Pac before being fired last year. You would've never hired him.

There are much more recruiting academic restrictions to get recruits into Stanford (heck, Dawkins couldn't even get his son into Stanford as he ended up at Michigan and transfered/redshirted to UCF this year. His son shot 44% from 3 last year).

2 years ago, Stanford won the NIT.

3 Years ago, Stanford made the Sweet 16, something Tubby hadn't done since 2004-2005.

5 years ago, Dawkins/Stanford won another NIT Title.

Dawkins is an East Coast guy (from Washington DC area, played/coached at Duke for 15 years) so I think he will have more recruiting success at UCF than the limited pool he could get to Stanford.

Dawkins career looks stellar to Tubbys over past 10 years in not just regular season egular season (Tubby has won just 40.5% conf games, which includes his .500 season this year), but also in post season success over that same time period too.

Dawkins is earning $1.1 Million per year at UCF while Tubby is earning $2.6 Million per year.

Strange thing about UCF this year is that Dawkins got permission for a throw away season to focus on the future (redshirted 6 scholarship players) so it will be interesting to see what he can do with a full eligible roster next year.

UCF may win the conference next year.

Memphis will struggle to even repeat what happened this year.

Dawkins built hope for the future and his team improved. Tubby took a nap and left no hope.

(03-10-2017 11:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 10:44 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  The 15-15 coach did better recruiting is the point.

The rest is irrelevant.

--------------Points-----Rebounds
Chad -------- 4.1--------- 1.9
Kessee ------1.8 -------- 0.6
Clergeot ---- 3.7 -------- 1.2
========== 9.6 ===== 3.7

Banyard ---- 5.9 -------- 6.1


Uh huh. He killed it recruiting.

Points:

Banyard: 176

Three amigos: 219

Rebounds:
Banyard 184

Three amigos: 81

Interesting thing about Banyard was at the start of conf play, he lost his starting spot (hard to do when at the time there were only 6 healthy players since BJ missed 7 games) because he couldn't even score on a layup as he had only 12 pts in 7 games but when the only other 3-4 player Tank E. went down, Nick started to light it up from 3 and his shooting actually helped UCF win some big games. (He was 7-7 from 3 in back to back wins very Tulsa and ECU).

He had an up and down roller coaster year that not many saw coming but yes, he was initially brought in to help UCF on the boards.

(03-10-2017 10:59 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 10:44 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  The 15-15 coach did better recruiting is the point.

The rest is irrelevant.

--------------Points-----Rebounds
Chad -------- 4.1--------- 1.9
Kessee ------1.8 -------- 0.6
Clergeot ---- 3.7 -------- 1.2
========== 9.6 ===== 3.7

Banyard ---- 5.9 -------- 6.1


Uh huh. He killed it recruiting.

I'm sure you wouldn't but I'd trade 3 for 1 without blinking an eye.

He also has 4 DI transfers sitting out.

We have three 3 star freshman...and 1 might not make it.

But whatever at this point.

Say what? Who is that?

(03-11-2017 10:01 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  UCF may win the conference next year.

Memphis will struggle to even repeat what happened this year.

Dawkins built hope for the future and his team improved. Tubby took a nap and left no hope.

Conf should be much deeper next year as SMU had just 7 ,players this year like UCF and UCONN was down 3 potential starters too.

SMU, UCONN and UCF lose valuable Seniors but all (maybe Memphis too) might have a full stable of athletes to choose from so they can always go with the hot hand.

UC and or SMU should probably be preseason #1 next year.

The fact that we are arguing about UCF says a lot.

(03-11-2017 02:19 PM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  The fact that we are arguing about UCF says a lot.

I don't know that it's an argument. They are clearly better than Memphis this year and should fully expect to be even further ahead next year.

Thanks Tubby!

(03-11-2017 02:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-11-2017 02:19 PM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  The fact that we are arguing about UCF says a lot.

I don't know that it's an argument. They are clearly better than Memphis this year and should fully expect to be even further ahead next year.

Thanks Tubby!

I'm not a Tubby lover, was never my first choice, but while you're in the thank you Tubby mood, there's someone else you need be thanking also, for the predicament our basketball program's in. It's a real shame that some our players (top recruits) that could have really helped this year all came down with a bad case of tendonitis.

(03-10-2017 06:57 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 05:14 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I'm sure they would have done equally well with Chad in place of Taco.

Johnny Dawkins actually went out and signed grad transfers who could play.

?

Dawkins is responsible for 1 guy of their 7 rotation players. He is a grad transfer. But one. The other 6 guys were already there.

Not sure what there is to compare about Dawkins. Totally different situations. He was fired at Stanford, hired at UCF before we even had a vacancy. It was considered a decent hire - but there were question marks. He inherited an experienced roster with a 7'6" guy craving to learn how to play better. His starters are a 5th year guy, two 4th year guys, a 3rd year guy and Tacko.

Kudos to Dawkins. He had a good year and improved an experienced team. If Jank hadn't dominated like he did, Dawkins could have been COY. But he didn't do it thru recruiting. And the comparison between our situation and theirs is really apples - oranges.

(03-11-2017 09:55 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Strange thing about UCF this year is that Dawkins got permission for a throw away season to focus on the future (redshirted 6 scholarship players) so it will be interesting to see what he can do with a full eligible roster next year.

That's interesting. How was that released? Never heard of that being public before. People here have been complaining about Tubby doing that before the season started.

(03-12-2017 06:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-11-2017 09:55 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Strange thing about UCF this year is that Dawkins got permission for a throw away season to focus on the future (redshirted 6 scholarship players) so it will be interesting to see what he can do with a full eligible roster next year.

That's interesting. How was that released? Never heard of that being public before. People here have been complaining about Tubby doing that before the season started.

If Tubby had recruited and redshirted that would have been a strategy to build for the future. He just didn't do much of anything and that's what caused some of us to be concerned. He basically just wasted this year for nothing. Had a first team all-conference player and the ROY to build around and just let it all pass him by.