(03-10-2017 04:36 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  I have to start to wonder if the basketball boosters will not be satisfied until they have completely annihilated this program. It is as if they are out to repeat what happened to the Houston program after Guy Lewis retired. Just destroy it.

Well, they just had to put all their time and energy and care into FOOTBALL. It was obvious as to what was happening under josh and they stuck their heads in the sand and acted like nothing was wrong. So, I'm glad they got football going but to let basketball go to the toilet is and was Bull *hit.

Maybe the worst part of all is that UCF also features a first-year coach in Johnny Dawkins, with a cast of returning players from a previous regime. But unlike Memphis, the Knights have shown improvement down the stretch after reeling off a sixth-straight win Friday.

Wonder if we could get Dawkins...

(03-10-2017 04:55 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 04:26 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 04:24 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 04:22 PM)cmt Wrote:  First, Tubby,
I wish I could do as little as he has done and show as little concern about my performance as he has shown and make millions. Terrible hire. I hop there is no contract and he walks. I swear to buddha I could hire some assistants and get more out of this team than he has, let alone found a couple of contributors prior to the season. Tubby is taking us for a ride and this is embarrassing and I gave him way more credit than he deserves.

Second, Dedric
I'm going pro, I'm going pro, I'm a superstar, hire my dad or I won't play...then go. This is UCF and SMU and Tulsa, not Kansas and UCLA and Louisville. If you can't perform against these teams how in the world do you think you'll be in the NBA? But keep threatening, at least Tubby and Keelon are making money.

Third,
This is perhaps the most disappointing season I've experienced in the last 50 years, yes, I've watched the Tigers for over 50 years and I can't say I've ever been more apathetic towards my team. That was a pitiful performance the other day, and today, considering the stakes and the competition, was even worse. Please get a new coach (and new players) in here. I have watched many overmatched Tigers play there hearts out, this team doesn't even have one.

Amen!

I'll double this Amen, Amen!!

Give me a break Gary. How in the world can you say "Amen" to something you claimed more than once that you no longer care about? And you said you only watched two games this year. So, forgive me but you can't proclaim this is the most disappointing season in 50 years. That's ridiculous when you think of the Tic Price and Johnny Jones and Wonder Boy teams. I at least chose to be a loyal fan and give Tubby a chance. You on the other hand watched two games, so maybe you should stick to commenting on football. If Tubby is going to coach like this...I won't be apart of it. But I'll have to wait and see what he brings in. But I guarantee you, you will never see me comment about something I don't bother watching.

First off I didn't have to watch many games to know how it would go with the players that's on this team.. I watched half the game today and that's all it took to turn it to another game.. I didn't care as much when JJ and Tic were coaching.. I keep up with how they do regardless of watching it or not.. My disdain started started 5 years ago and it progressively has gotten worse.. I did care how they did the last 2 years more than this year because I wanted something to happen to where Josh would leave so I had a vested interest.. When he was gone I was excited until they hired Tubby.. Although anything was better than Josh I felt IMO that Tubby was a bad hire when there were much better for that money that could have came here.. I don't dislike Tubby but I knew this would be a bad hire.. So yea worst season ever because It sucks that I could care a less anymore!! If Tubby pans out I'll admit it in a heartbeat but I just don't see it!!

Haha I guess I don't mind you guys writing off UCF when we are in the good company of SMU.

Times change, men. You'd think we were crazy if we called a football loss to Memphis inexcusable and reason to fire Scott Frost, right?

(03-10-2017 04:27 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 04:22 PM)cmt Wrote:  First, Tubby,
I wish I could do as little as he has done and show as little concern about my performance as he has shown and make millions. Terrible hire. I hop there is no contract and he walks. I swear to buddha I could hire some assistants and get more out of this team than he has, let alone found a couple of contributors prior to the season. Tubby is taking us for a ride and this is embarrassing and I gave him way more credit than he deserves.

Second, Dedric
I'm going pro, I'm going pro, I'm a superstar, hire my dad or I won't play...then go. This is UCF and SMU and Tulsa, not Kansas and UCLA and Louisville. If you can't perform against these teams how in the world do you think you'll be in the NBA? But keep threatening, at least Tubby and Keelon are making money.

Third,
This is perhaps the most disappointing season I've experienced in the last 50 years, yes, I've watched the Tigers for over 50 years and I can't say I've ever been more apathetic towards my team. That was a pitiful performance the other day, and today, considering the stakes and the competition, was even worse. Please get a new coach (and new players) in here. I have watched many overmatched Tigers play there hearts out, this team doesn't even have one.

Great post. I agree on all counts. Tubby Smith was a disastrous hire when it was announced and it looks more and more disastrous with every passing day. With the program so broken and irrelevant, we can only hope that things change in a dramatic fashion and soon. The best case would be Tubby leaves and Penny is brought in. Why the hell not at this point?

Why do y'all think Penny would get it done

He had a meeting and presented no plans

He has issues with being on time

Great dude

Not ready for something like this

(03-10-2017 05:51 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 04:27 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 04:22 PM)cmt Wrote:  First, Tubby,
I wish I could do as little as he has done and show as little concern about my performance as he has shown and make millions. Terrible hire. I hop there is no contract and he walks. I swear to buddha I could hire some assistants and get more out of this team than he has, let alone found a couple of contributors prior to the season. Tubby is taking us for a ride and this is embarrassing and I gave him way more credit than he deserves.

Second, Dedric
I'm going pro, I'm going pro, I'm a superstar, hire my dad or I won't play...then go. This is UCF and SMU and Tulsa, not Kansas and UCLA and Louisville. If you can't perform against these teams how in the world do you think you'll be in the NBA? But keep threatening, at least Tubby and Keelon are making money.

Third,
This is perhaps the most disappointing season I've experienced in the last 50 years, yes, I've watched the Tigers for over 50 years and I can't say I've ever been more apathetic towards my team. That was a pitiful performance the other day, and today, considering the stakes and the competition, was even worse. Please get a new coach (and new players) in here. I have watched many overmatched Tigers play there hearts out, this team doesn't even have one.

Great post. I agree on all counts. Tubby Smith was a disastrous hire when it was announced and it looks more and more disastrous with every passing day. With the program so broken and irrelevant, we can only hope that things change in a dramatic fashion and soon. The best case would be Tubby leaves and Penny is brought in. Why the hell not at this point?

Why do y'all think Penny would get it done

He had a meeting and presented no plans

He has issues with being on time

Great dude

Not ready for something like this

They know more than you AND the administration. And if you doubt me, just ask one of 'em.

(03-10-2017 05:57 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 05:51 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 04:27 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 04:22 PM)cmt Wrote:  First, Tubby,
I wish I could do as little as he has done and show as little concern about my performance as he has shown and make millions. Terrible hire. I hop there is no contract and he walks. I swear to buddha I could hire some assistants and get more out of this team than he has, let alone found a couple of contributors prior to the season. Tubby is taking us for a ride and this is embarrassing and I gave him way more credit than he deserves.

Second, Dedric
I'm going pro, I'm going pro, I'm a superstar, hire my dad or I won't play...then go. This is UCF and SMU and Tulsa, not Kansas and UCLA and Louisville. If you can't perform against these teams how in the world do you think you'll be in the NBA? But keep threatening, at least Tubby and Keelon are making money.

Third,
This is perhaps the most disappointing season I've experienced in the last 50 years, yes, I've watched the Tigers for over 50 years and I can't say I've ever been more apathetic towards my team. That was a pitiful performance the other day, and today, considering the stakes and the competition, was even worse. Please get a new coach (and new players) in here. I have watched many overmatched Tigers play there hearts out, this team doesn't even have one.

I hope they hire him so everyone will see

Great post. I agree on all counts. Tubby Smith was a disastrous hire when it was announced and it looks more and more disastrous with every passing day. With the program so broken and irrelevant, we can only hope that things change in a dramatic fashion and soon. The best case would be Tubby leaves and Penny is brought in. Why the hell not at this point?

Why do y'all think Penny would get it done

He had a meeting and presented no plans

He has issues with being on time

Great dude

Not ready for something like this

They know more than you AND the administration. And if you doubt me, just ask one of 'em.

(03-10-2017 05:51 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 04:27 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 04:22 PM)cmt Wrote:  First, Tubby,
I wish I could do as little as he has done and show as little concern about my performance as he has shown and make millions. Terrible hire. I hop there is no contract and he walks. I swear to buddha I could hire some assistants and get more out of this team than he has, let alone found a couple of contributors prior to the season. Tubby is taking us for a ride and this is embarrassing and I gave him way more credit than he deserves.

Second, Dedric
I'm going pro, I'm going pro, I'm a superstar, hire my dad or I won't play...then go. This is UCF and SMU and Tulsa, not Kansas and UCLA and Louisville. If you can't perform against these teams how in the world do you think you'll be in the NBA? But keep threatening, at least Tubby and Keelon are making money.

Third,
This is perhaps the most disappointing season I've experienced in the last 50 years, yes, I've watched the Tigers for over 50 years and I can't say I've ever been more apathetic towards my team. That was a pitiful performance the other day, and today, considering the stakes and the competition, was even worse. Please get a new coach (and new players) in here. I have watched many overmatched Tigers play there hearts out, this team doesn't even have one.

Great post. I agree on all counts. Tubby Smith was a disastrous hire when it was announced and it looks more and more disastrous with every passing day. With the program so broken and irrelevant, we can only hope that things change in a dramatic fashion and soon. The best case would be Tubby leaves and Penny is brought in. Why the hell not at this point?

Why do y'all think Penny would get it done

He had a meeting and presented no plans

He has issues with being on time

Great dude

Not ready for something like this

Right on, I think we saw what happened in football when we hired someone who was not close to being ready. What should have happened was to hire someone who is a proven coach and not someone who is looking to go thru the motions until he retires. Nothing against Tubby any 65 YO would sign a 3 mil 5 year contract and just get by till he retires. There were a lot of coaches out there who want to win that would have taken this job. Forbes would have killed here. And just like KE said Penny is a real good dude and a great ambassador for the University.

I don't know if Penny would get it done. I don't know who would "get it done." But I'll take Penny over Sleepy any day.

It sure seems like Tubby doesn't care if it gets done or not. And the amazing Lawson brothers are holding this program hostage. Which would be perfectly fine if they were keeping their end of the bargain. But they aren't. Dedric and KJ are perfect examples of AAU gone wild.

(03-10-2017 06:47 PM)cmt Wrote:  I don't know if Penny would get it done. I don't know who would "get it done." But I'll take Penny over Sleepy any day.

It sure seems like Tubby doesn't care if it gets done or not. And the amazing Lawson brothers are holding this program hostage. Which would be perfectly fine if they were keeping their end of the bargain. But they aren't. Dedric and KJ are perfect examples of AAU gone wild.

Penny would be a disastrous hire.

(03-10-2017 07:04 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:47 PM)cmt Wrote:  I don't know if Penny would get it done. I don't know who would "get it done." But I'll take Penny over Sleepy any day.

It sure seems like Tubby doesn't care if it gets done or not. And the amazing Lawson brothers are holding this program hostage. Which would be perfectly fine if they were keeping their end of the bargain. But they aren't. Dedric and KJ are perfect examples of AAU gone wild.

Penny would be a disastrous hire.

And you know that how exactly? So let me get this straight, Penny would be terrible but Steve Forbes would be the second coming of Clean Gene Bartow?

(03-10-2017 07:04 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:47 PM)cmt Wrote:  I don't know if Penny would get it done. I don't know who would "get it done." But I'll take Penny over Sleepy any day.

It sure seems like Tubby doesn't care if it gets done or not. And the amazing Lawson brothers are holding this program hostage. Which would be perfectly fine if they were keeping their end of the bargain. But they aren't. Dedric and KJ are perfect examples of AAU gone wild.

Penny would be a disastrous hire.

Penny would be an even more disastrous fire.
90% chance he doesn't get it done and then we will have to fire the legend?
No thanks. There's an answer out there but I don't think he's it.

(03-10-2017 07:26 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:04 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:47 PM)cmt Wrote:  I don't know if Penny would get it done. I don't know who would "get it done." But I'll take Penny over Sleepy any day.

It sure seems like Tubby doesn't care if it gets done or not. And the amazing Lawson brothers are holding this program hostage. Which would be perfectly fine if they were keeping their end of the bargain. But they aren't. Dedric and KJ are perfect examples of AAU gone wild.

Penny would be a disastrous hire.

Penny would be an even more disastrous fire.
90% chance he doesn't get it done and then we will have to fire the legend?
No thanks. There's an answer out there but I don't think he's it.

I respect you a great deal as you know, but I don't agree.

(03-10-2017 05:12 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 04:36 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  I have to start to wonder if the basketball boosters will not be satisfied until they have completely annihilated this program. It is as if they are out to repeat what happened to the Houston program after Guy Lewis retired. Just destroy it.

Well, they just had to put all their time and energy and care into FOOTBALL. It was obvious as to what was happening under josh and they stuck their heads in the sand and acted like nothing was wrong. So, I'm glad they got football going but to let basketball go to the toilet is and was Bull *hit.

I don't think paying a coach a five year contract worth upwards of $13 million dollars indicates that the basketball boosters don't care about the program, or at least didn't care when they hired Tubby. Whether they now have given up just like many fans, I don't know. And, yes, I also agree that Josh should've been let go earlier.

(03-10-2017 07:16 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:04 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:47 PM)cmt Wrote:  I don't know if Penny would get it done. I don't know who would "get it done." But I'll take Penny over Sleepy any day.

It sure seems like Tubby doesn't care if it gets done or not. And the amazing Lawson brothers are holding this program hostage. Which would be perfectly fine if they were keeping their end of the bargain. But they aren't. Dedric and KJ are perfect examples of AAU gone wild.

Penny would be a disastrous hire.

And you know that how exactly? So let me get this straight, Penny would be terrible but Steve Forbes would be the second coming of Clean Gene Bartow?

Your love for Penny blinds you

(03-10-2017 07:36 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:26 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:04 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:47 PM)cmt Wrote:  I don't know if Penny would get it done. I don't know who would "get it done." But I'll take Penny over Sleepy any day.

It sure seems like Tubby doesn't care if it gets done or not. And the amazing Lawson brothers are holding this program hostage. Which would be perfectly fine if they were keeping their end of the bargain. But they aren't. Dedric and KJ are perfect examples of AAU gone wild.

Penny would be a disastrous hire.

Penny would be an even more disastrous fire.
90% chance he doesn't get it done and then we will have to fire the legend?
No thanks. There's an answer out there but I don't think he's it.

I respect you a great deal as you know, but I don't agree.

Fair enough.
Penny would make for an interesting experiment. Might even have some success as a novelty. But in the event that it didn't work out, then what?

If those in power truly care for the program and sincerely want what's best they have to fire Tubby. What has he accomplished on a national level when he has had to depend on his own players and recruiting efforts? I still want Greg Marshall who lost Fleet and Baker and still rolled this year.He recruits players maybe under the national radar and still develops them. He runs a great offense. Above all, his players DON'T QUIT. I know it won't be him but those intangibles are what we need.

(03-10-2017 07:58 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:36 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:26 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:04 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:47 PM)cmt Wrote:  I don't know if Penny would get it done. I don't know who would "get it done." But I'll take Penny over Sleepy any day.

It sure seems like Tubby doesn't care if it gets done or not. And the amazing Lawson brothers are holding this program hostage. Which would be perfectly fine if they were keeping their end of the bargain. But they aren't. Dedric and KJ are perfect examples of AAU gone wild.

Penny would be a disastrous hire.

Penny would be an even more disastrous fire.
90% chance he doesn't get it done and then we will have to fire the legend?
No thanks. There's an answer out there but I don't think he's it.

I respect you a great deal as you know, but I don't agree.

Fair enough.
Penny would make for an interesting experiment. Might even have some success as a novelty. But in the event that it didn't work out, then what?

Holy I don't have all the answers. You bring up a good point. But I subscribe to the thought process of not saying someone can't do something before or prior to them actually stepping in the ring if you will. The reason I'm like this is because only the Good Lord in heaven knows what the future holds in a person's life. I believe in allowing a person to prove he or she can or can't do it.

(03-10-2017 07:53 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:16 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:04 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:47 PM)cmt Wrote:  I don't know if Penny would get it done. I don't know who would "get it done." But I'll take Penny over Sleepy any day.

It sure seems like Tubby doesn't care if it gets done or not. And the amazing Lawson brothers are holding this program hostage. Which would be perfectly fine if they were keeping their end of the bargain. But they aren't. Dedric and KJ are perfect examples of AAU gone wild.

Penny would be a disastrous hire.

And you know that how exactly? So let me get this straight, Penny would be terrible but Steve Forbes would be the second coming of Clean Gene Bartow?

Your love for Penny blinds you

I will admit you have a point there, I was that way about Larry too, I really loved him. But, it is my opinion that I think he could do very well here. Now that opinion may be wrong, and then again I may be right, but the only way it would be proven would be for him to have the job and see where and how the cards fall.

Good people can disagree without belittling each other, with stuff like RRR. I can disagree with you KE on Penny but still respect you and get along.