(03-11-2017 01:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2017 12:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-11-2017 10:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 02:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is GOPcare.

It will cause millions to lose coverage, will be completely unsustainable, provide billions upon billions to health care execs with zero accountability, will cause half the rural hospitals to close, and will result in people literally dying because even though they continue to pay in, they can't get any coverage at any price.

My prediction for my Trumpcare policy...

1) No coverage at any hospital in Houston (where the doctors are also in network)
2) No coverage for heart disease, cancer
3) No coverage for Prep, and limited coverage for diabetes.

Right now, I pay 10,000 a year in premia plus a 5,000 deductible. And that's just for me. I predict my Trumpcare plan will cost 50,000 a year in premium, will cover virtually nothing, will exclude me from my mutual share ownership of the reserves at BCBS, will have a lifetime maximum of 50,000 bucks, will have no Primary Care Physicians in network, will actively seek to exclude LGBT persons from care (no Truvada coverage), and in order to get it.....I'll have to spend 200+ hours applying for coverage (and about 1000 bucks in medical tests) to get to a risk pool that will cover nothing.

And they'll probably offer me Ivanka's Brother in-laws for profit owned policy which will give be 10% off of a full price bill at 10 medical providers and say....see you can get insurance....so no risk pool for you. Never mind that the plan offered doesn't cover cancer care or heart transplants.

Oh and since Trumpcare doesn't mandate that employers pay for healthcare.....they won't, throwing millions upon millions into non-insurance status.

In other words, it's the same health care deal as we have now.

Not even close. I get coverage as some hospitals, and Obamacare mandates certain things be included in coverage. It also prohibits lifetime maximums AND it provides for income means based premiums.

No lifetime limit is in the new bill. The obamma mandates are part of the problem. Why does a 58 year old need pregnancy coverage?

What we need is 5 or 6 government mandated state packages that EVERY insurer must offer. That way, everyone can have some choice between a "Ford Focus" plan or a "Lexus" plan--along with several options between. Because the plans are identical from insurer to insurer---its easy to price shop. Insurers can offer other products--but every insurer would have to offer several mandated plans that are easily comparable. Then let the free market work.

I will be very surprised if there's any plans that are going to cover the same things that Obamacare did that will be available to an older Diabetic....

Basically, they'll offer me a 10% discount card good at 1 hospital 100 miles out of town (but where all the doctors are out of network) and then they'll claim 'see - you've got insurance'. The entire point of insurance is to ensure that there's enough money to pay for ALL care, and that you don't lose your assets if you get sick.

Or, they'll just price my policy at 150,000 a year. And they'll STEAL the reserves I paid in when I was younger and healthier for their lear jet fund.

(03-12-2017 03:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The entire point of insurance is to ensure that there's enough money to pay for ALL care, and that you don't lose your assets if you get sick.

No, and that's where you start going astray.

Quote:Republican senator: GOP risks losing House majority if health bill approved

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/republica...d=46076471

Republican Sen. Tom Cotton said GOP members of the House should not "walk the plank" by approving the Republican health care bill, warning that it could cost the party the House majority and put the entire GOP agenda at risk.

"I would say to my friends in the House of Representatives with whom I serve, 'Do not walk the plank and vote for a bill that cannot pass the Senate and then have to face the consequences of that vote," Cotton told ABC News

President Trump you better listen to this guy?

Trump ought to listen to the American people and not just lie that he does.

(03-12-2017 03:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 03:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The entire point of insurance is to ensure that there's enough money to pay for ALL care, and that you don't lose your assets if you get sick.

No, and that's where you start going astray.

If there's no guarantee of coverage, then why do we subsidize medicine at ALL? Why is private sector 'solutions' apply to people needing coverage, but not to taxpayer funding of hospitals, doctors education, etc.?

So not only I'm supposed to not have insurance, but I'm supposed to pay so that our taxpayer supported hospitals and doctors simply decide to only treat people from Saudi Arabia?

Just accept it, Obama blew up the old system, It ain't coming back. I'll give him credit for that.

Employers have wanted out of the health business for 20+ years. They would rather outsource it to the government, just write a check to the IRS and be done with it. They will win out over the healthcare lobby. No need for the Republicans to go down over it.

Like Cotten said, " When pressed by Stephanopolous to clarify if he was suggesting that House Republicans who vote for the bill "are going to pay the price without getting any benefit," Cotton noted that Republicans have other agenda goals in addition to health care reform.

"We have majorities in the House and the Senate and the White House not only to repeal Obamacare and get health care reform right, but to reform our taxes and our regulations and build up our military and accomplish many other things," Cotton said. "And I don't want to see the House majority put at risk on a bill that is not going to pass the Senate."

"That's why I think we should take a pause, try to solve as many of the problems on both Medicaid and the individual insurance market in this bill in the House and then allow the Senate to take its work up," Cotton said. “The bill probably can be fixed, but it’s going to take a lot of carpentry on that framework."

Trump has stayed away from this so far. He let Speaker Ryan (the R with the D lobbyist wife) run the "feces festival" so far.

When the R bill proves to be the dumpster fire that it is, Trump, "Mr. Deal Maker", gets to ride in and be the "white hat".

(03-12-2017 03:59 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Trump has stayed away from this so far. He let Speaker Ryan (the R with the D lobbyist wife) run the "feces festival" so far.

When the R bill proves to be the dumpster fire that it is, Trump, "Mr. Deal Maker", gets to ride in and be the "white hat".

Its Trumpcare. He's openly supporting it.

The only solution involves

1) Higher taxes (DJT and the GOP ain't doing that) or mandatory participation in the system
2) Cost controls and compensation limits (DJT and the GOP ain't doing that)

What solution will DJT propose?

(03-12-2017 03:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The entire point of insurance is to ensure that there's enough money to pay for ALL care,

lmao

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(03-12-2017 03:27 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Trump ought to listen to the American people and not just lie that he does.

ffs, Paul he has delivered on everything so far. it's not his job to put a plan together. That said I hope he vetoes this garbage bill.

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(03-12-2017 03:41 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  Just accept it, Obama blew up the old system, It ain't coming back. I'll give him credit for that.

Employers have wanted out of the health business for 20+ years. They would rather outsource it to the government, just write a check to the IRS and be done with it.

I tend to agree this was the long term plan, destroy what we had to make it easiee to transition to single payer. not saying I like that idea but I think that's been the goal. Obamacare just did a better jon of wrecking the industry than they thought.

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(03-12-2017 04:28 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 03:27 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Trump ought to listen to the American people and not just lie that he does.

ffs, Paul he has delivered on everything so far. it's not his job to put a plan together. That said I hope he vetoes this garbage bill.

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ffs, he supports this steaming pile of **** and said he will support any primary opponent of anyone who votes against it. He's pushing this pile of manure.

(03-12-2017 03:59 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Trump has stayed away from this so far. He let Speaker Ryan (the R with the D lobbyist wife) run the "feces festival" so far.

When the R bill proves to be the dumpster fire that it is, Trump, "Mr. Deal Maker", gets to ride in and be the "white hat".

You're un-informed. The D Trump loves this fecal matter.

And when this mound of merde can't get enough votes in either the House or Senate, Trump becomes deal-maker guy.

As a bonus to Trump, Trump gets to point out how he let Congress (the Rs) write it and they couldn't get it to work without Trump being Trump.

Never forget: It's all about Trump.

And that's his problem in a nut shell. All about Trump.

(03-12-2017 06:27 PM)Paul M Wrote:  And that's his problem in a nut shell. All about Trump.

lol. That's not THE problem. That's YOUR problem. The REAL problem is the current heath care system is imploding and if nothing is done NOBODY will have health insurance. Removing the politics---its simply too few dollars available to provide for too many promises. Its essentially just Social Security with a shorter fuse.

LOL, my problem? I don't live in Trumps skin.

(03-12-2017 06:27 PM)Paul M Wrote:  And that's his problem in a nut shell. All about Trump.

If using that MO to get elected POTUS is a "problem" to him, you are correct.

(03-12-2017 06:40 PM)Paul M Wrote:  LOL, my problem? I don't live in Trumps skin.

Im simply saying you have an issue with Trump. Trump wasn't my guy either---but we need things to go well regardless of who won the election. Theres just too much to fix. I can see Trump actually doing a lot of good simply because he's less of an ideologue and more of a pragmatist. If it makes sense and works--I don't think he cares which side the idea comes from.

(03-12-2017 07:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 06:40 PM)Paul M Wrote:  LOL, my problem? I don't live in Trumps skin.

Im simply saying you have an issue with Trump. Trump wasn't my guy either---but we need things to go well regardless of who won the election. Theres just too much to fix. I can see Trump actually doing a lot of good simply because he's less of an ideologue and more of a pragmatist. If it makes sense and works--I don't think he cares which side the idea comes from.

This is where I am. Given the current makeup of the Senate, some compromises are going to have to take place for much of anything to get done. Chip away at what you want, get more later. I can't see anything else working.

Remember, in 2008 the Dems had 60 in the Senate and still had to bribe a few folks.