(03-10-2017 09:26 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:18 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 08:08 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:57 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  I understand why the rational and caring Tiger fans no longer post here. It's completely pointless. More importantly, serious and dedicated fans will continue to support the Tigers! Good Luck next season, Coach!

Did you support the Tigers the whole Pastner tenure??

I supported Pastner the first three years after Cal. Unlike the psychopaths on here...I waited for CJP to recruit his type of players and figured he had learned from the best coach @ Arizona and then Calipari. I was excited about Paz getting the job. He was notably a great recruiter who believed in outworking his competitors in terms of recruiting. Therefore, the answer to your question is yes.

Not all seven years but the first three I supported CJP. We were despondent after the departure of Cal to Kentucky at the time.

So you gave up after 3 years correct!

(03-10-2017 04:37 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 04:29 PM)Mimi Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 04:15 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Rivers is the biggest p**** we have had in my long memory. Slightest contact sends him to the floor for a 20-30second stoppage in play. My coach would have put my ass on the end of bench for lack of toughness.

The venting makes sense.

Your post however does not.

Grow the F up, and avoid calling a player a *****.

Yes, I joked last year about daddy quitter boy, and some of the mouth breathers love pointing that out...but even that is not as egregious as your swill and had some tongue in cheek that many understood.

Shame on you.

It's a running joke with the players, coaches, everyone. If you will notice most of the time guys wait about 10 seconds to see if he is really hurt. He been called a lot worse by his own teammates. Besides, you can't say I call him anything put a p with stars beside it.

P**** = Playa!

(03-10-2017 09:29 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:26 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:18 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 08:08 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:57 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  I understand why the rational and caring Tiger fans no longer post here. It's completely pointless. More importantly, serious and dedicated fans will continue to support the Tigers! Good Luck next season, Coach!

Did you support the Tigers the whole Pastner tenure??

I supported Pastner the first three years after Cal. Unlike the psychopaths on here...I waited for CJP to recruit his type of players and figured he had learned from the best coach @ Arizona and then Calipari. I was excited about Paz getting the job. He was notably a great recruiter who believed in outworking his competitors in terms of recruiting. Therefore, the answer to your question is yes.

Not all seven years but the first three I supported CJP. We were despondent after the departure of Cal to Kentucky at the time.

So you gave up after 3 years correct!

The reason I ask this is because I feel it wrong to not have supported Pastner the last 3 or 4 years and now your telling people they are wrong for not supporting Tubby.. Just like Pastner pushed you away and me also, some people just don't believe in Tubby and they aren't going to get on board unless he proves me and others wrong!! Maybe this is the wrong way to go about it but I personally feel it's ok to feel this way!! I personally don't cut Tubby down I just think it was a bad hire and it didn't excite me enough to get excited again!! JMO

(03-10-2017 07:33 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:19 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:54 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 03:40 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 03:33 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  I guess coach is responsible for Markel throwing up bricks and Dedric turning over the ball. The coach is not the scapegoat. Accept reality that these players are "average" players.

Damn. You dating Tubby? Stop throwing the kids under the bus.

It's not a good look.

This is on Tubby.

He's had the team for a year.
He chose not to fill out the roster.
The team has regressed instead of improved.

Deal with it.

That was a low blow even for a smart azz like yourself. Man up and admit you hate Tubby Smith...period! No one can satisfy the miserables in this town, not even Cal. You choose to blindly not accept that these players are what they are. I'm not throwing the players under the bus. I'm just not wearing rose colored glasses.

And then what happened?

You do hate the hiring of Tubby though right? It's pretty clear that you do with the words you choose to post. My thing is this, if he does turn it around will you and others get on board? I think I know a few that won't. Even if he finishes in second place next season and goes to the sweet 16, there are some here that will still not get on board simply because they didn't hire Gregg Marshall. It screams "I'm a pathetic fan". Now, I have been on record saying that if Tubby doesn't get it done and he's getting blown out like the past two games, I will be off of the "I support Tubby train". I gave Wonder Boy a fair shake and he showed me early his azz didn't have it, so I blasted him. Mainly because I'm a paying customer and I wasn't getting my money's worth or a good product and thus it became unpleasant. I'll do the same here with Tubby. But again how can you call yourself a fan if you were blasting the coach minutes after he was hired?

Hate is such a strong word. I don't 'hate' Tubby.
I didn't like the hire from Day 1 and Tubby has done very little in his time here to change my mind.

It's absolutely clear that Tubby COMPLETELY and TOTALLY lost this team.

As I've said before if he gets this team to the NCAAA tournament next year and it's a rising team with all the important parts coming back then, yes I will support Tubby.

(03-10-2017 09:49 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:33 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:19 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:54 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 03:40 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Damn. You dating Tubby? Stop throwing the kids under the bus.

It's not a good look.

This is on Tubby.

He's had the team for a year.
He chose not to fill out the roster.
The team has regressed instead of improved.

Deal with it.

That was a low blow even for a smart azz like yourself. Man up and admit you hate Tubby Smith...period! No one can satisfy the miserables in this town, not even Cal. You choose to blindly not accept that these players are what they are. I'm not throwing the players under the bus. I'm just not wearing rose colored glasses.

And then what happened?

You do hate the hiring of Tubby though right? It's pretty clear that you do with the words you choose to post. My thing is this, if he does turn it around will you and others get on board? I think I know a few that won't. Even if he finishes in second place next season and goes to the sweet 16, there are some here that will still not get on board simply because they didn't hire Gregg Marshall. It screams "I'm a pathetic fan". Now, I have been on record saying that if Tubby doesn't get it done and he's getting blown out like the past two games, I will be off of the "I support Tubby train". I gave Wonder Boy a fair shake and he showed me early his azz didn't have it, so I blasted him. Mainly because I'm a paying customer and I wasn't getting my money's worth or a good product and thus it became unpleasant. I'll do the same here with Tubby. But again how can you call yourself a fan if you were blasting the coach minutes after he was hired?

Hate is such a strong word. I don't 'hate' Tubby.
I didn't like the hire from Day 1 and Tubby has done very little in his time here to change my mind.

It's absolutely clear that Tubby COMPLETELY and TOTALLY lost this team.

As I've said before if he gets this team to the NCAAA tournament next year and it's a rising team with all the important parts coming back then, yes I will support Tubby.

I respect that. If he runs the program into the ground I won't be on board. So I respect you a lot. It proves you are a good fan. But there are some who said I'm done buying tickets and I'm done watching and I'm done caring. This to me is pathetic. If everyone did that, they would be forced to shut the program down. Trust me when I say there are some here on this board who will only support if they hire Gregg Marshall, Buzz Williams, but if they hire Penny after Tubby these folks will still be bitter and not be on board. Again if Tubby is turning in performances like today next season I'll be one of the first ones on here to yell and scream.

Would you agree that fans like I described above are terrible when they won't give the new coach a chance?

(03-10-2017 09:29 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:26 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:18 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 08:08 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:57 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  I understand why the rational and caring Tiger fans no longer post here. It's completely pointless. More importantly, serious and dedicated fans will continue to support the Tigers! Good Luck next season, Coach!

Did you support the Tigers the whole Pastner tenure??

I supported Pastner the first three years after Cal. Unlike the psychopaths on here...I waited for CJP to recruit his type of players and figured he had learned from the best coach @ Arizona and then Calipari. I was excited about Paz getting the job. He was notably a great recruiter who believed in outworking his competitors in terms of recruiting. Therefore, the answer to your question is yes.

Not all seven years but the first three I supported CJP. We were despondent after the departure of Cal to Kentucky at the time.

So you gave up after 3 years correct!

I don't remember if it was his 3rd or 4th yr but I became discouraged after we couldn't win against top 25 teams and couldn't get beyond the first round in the tourney. We had an overflow of talent--Joe Jackson, Will Barton, Crawford, Black, DJ, etc. I attended every Midnight Madness event.

(03-10-2017 10:10 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:29 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:26 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:18 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 08:08 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Did you support the Tigers the whole Pastner tenure??

I supported Pastner the first three years after Cal. Unlike the psychopaths on here...I waited for CJP to recruit his type of players and figured he had learned from the best coach @ Arizona and then Calipari. I was excited about Paz getting the job. He was notably a great recruiter who believed in outworking his competitors in terms of recruiting. Therefore, the answer to your question is yes.

Not all seven years but the first three I supported CJP. We were despondent after the departure of Cal to Kentucky at the time.

So you gave up after 3 years correct!

I don't remember if it was his 3rd or 4th yr but I became discouraged after we couldn't win against top 25 teams and couldn't get beyond the first round in the tourney. We had an overflow of talent--Joe Jackson, Will Barton, Crawford, Black, DJ, etc. I attended every Midnight Madness event.

You're a good fan. Some here never darken the door of the Forum. If you have the money and you have your health and you live here, to not give the new coach a chance is weak. Plain and simple.

(03-10-2017 10:01 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:49 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:33 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 07:19 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:54 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  That was a low blow even for a smart azz like yourself. Man up and admit you hate Tubby Smith...period! No one can satisfy the miserables in this town, not even Cal. You choose to blindly not accept that these players are what they are. I'm not throwing the players under the bus. I'm just not wearing rose colored glasses.

And then what happened?

You do hate the hiring of Tubby though right? It's pretty clear that you do with the words you choose to post. My thing is this, if he does turn it around will you and others get on board? I think I know a few that won't. Even if he finishes in second place next season and goes to the sweet 16, there are some here that will still not get on board simply because they didn't hire Gregg Marshall. It screams "I'm a pathetic fan". Now, I have been on record saying that if Tubby doesn't get it done and he's getting blown out like the past two games, I will be off of the "I support Tubby train". I gave Wonder Boy a fair shake and he showed me early his azz didn't have it, so I blasted him. Mainly because I'm a paying customer and I wasn't getting my money's worth or a good product and thus it became unpleasant. I'll do the same here with Tubby. But again how can you call yourself a fan if you were blasting the coach minutes after he was hired?

Hate is such a strong word. I don't 'hate' Tubby.
I didn't like the hire from Day 1 and Tubby has done very little in his time here to change my mind.

It's absolutely clear that Tubby COMPLETELY and TOTALLY lost this team.

As I've said before if he gets this team to the NCAAA tournament next year and it's a rising team with all the important parts coming back then, yes I will support Tubby.

I respect that. If he runs the program into the ground I won't be on board. So I respect you a lot. It proves you are a good fan. But there are some who said I'm done buying tickets and I'm done watching and I'm done caring. This to me is pathetic. If everyone did that, they would be forced to shut the program down. Trust me when I say there are some here on this board who will only support if they hire Gregg Marshall, Buzz Williams, but if they hire Penny after Tubby these folks will still be bitter and not be on board. Again if Tubby is turning in performances like today next season I'll be one of the first ones on here to yell and scream.

Would you agree that fans like I described above are terrible when they won't give the new coach a chance?

I haven't given Tubby much of a chance, lol.

Opie used up all my patience. I was extremely patient with Calipari.

It's such a shame to see everything he built and created with Tiger basketball he completely undone and st this point it has been.

I did not think Tubby was a good hire and when he did little to nothing with his initial recruiting class I was completely turned off.

His upcoming class is pretty weak by Memphis standards too unless he can shore it up late.

He completely lost the current team. I can't respect that.

I don't think he has a great staff.

I think next year's team is going to be a disaster.

Take Dedric off this team and replace him with what? A freshman? Try to throw in a juco and a grad transfer? WTF?

Calkins was right in saying Tubby never really had a honeymoon period. Well, too bad that's how this gig worked out for him. He should have recruited better and tried harder to engage the fan base.

Maybe he can pull out of the tailspin he's in but I don't see it.

(03-10-2017 09:42 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:29 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:26 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:18 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 08:08 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Did you support the Tigers the whole Pastner tenure??

I supported Pastner the first three years after Cal. Unlike the psychopaths on here...I waited for CJP to recruit his type of players and figured he had learned from the best coach @ Arizona and then Calipari. I was excited about Paz getting the job. He was notably a great recruiter who believed in outworking his competitors in terms of recruiting. Therefore, the answer to your question is yes.

Not all seven years but the first three I supported CJP. We were despondent after the departure of Cal to Kentucky at the time.

So you gave up after 3 years correct!

The reason I ask this is because I feel it wrong to not have supported Pastner the last 3 or 4 years and now your telling people they are wrong for not supporting Tubby.. Just like Pastner pushed you away and me also, some people just don't believe in Tubby and they aren't going to get on board unless he proves me and others wrong!! Maybe this is the wrong way to go about it but I personally feel it's ok to feel this way!! I personally don't cut Tubby down I just think it was a bad hire and it didn't excite me enough to get excited again!! JMO

Understandably so, but I didn't detest or resent Pastner immediately after he was hired. I gave him a chance. I didn't make false allegations or assumptions that he would fail miserably as our coach initially. That's the difference. Granted, fans are going to have their own beliefs and ideas based on what they feel is best for the university. No one berated or belittled CJP when he got the job and he had no head coaching experience. It just seems bizarre to not allow a new coach time to institute his system. Thanks and I respect your decision to not be in favor of TS. Hopefully, he will recognize what's needed and fix it.

(03-10-2017 10:17 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 10:10 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:29 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:26 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:18 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  I supported Pastner the first three years after Cal. Unlike the psychopaths on here...I waited for CJP to recruit his type of players and figured he had learned from the best coach @ Arizona and then Calipari. I was excited about Paz getting the job. He was notably a great recruiter who believed in outworking his competitors in terms of recruiting. Therefore, the answer to your question is yes.

Not all seven years but the first three I supported CJP. We were despondent after the departure of Cal to Kentucky at the time.

So you gave up after 3 years correct!

I don't remember if it was his 3rd or 4th yr but I became discouraged after we couldn't win against top 25 teams and couldn't get beyond the first round in the tourney. We had an overflow of talent--Joe Jackson, Will Barton, Crawford, Black, DJ, etc. I attended every Midnight Madness event.

You're a good fan. Some here never darken the door of the Forum. If you have the money and you have your health and you live here, to not give the new coach a chance is weak. Plain and simple.

You are a great fan...TubbyTime!

Anyone allowed a thought that Memphis high school BB isn't what it used to be on a national scale? Just asking......

(03-11-2017 09:12 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Anyone allowed a thought that Memphis high school BB isn't what it used to be on a national scale? Just asking......

I think it's more like Tubby isn't what he used to be.

(03-11-2017 09:12 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Anyone allowed a thought that Memphis high school BB isn't what it used to be on a national scale? Just asking......

I agree. Very overrated.

(03-11-2017 09:14 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-11-2017 09:12 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Anyone allowed a thought that Memphis high school BB isn't what it used to be on a national scale? Just asking......

I think it's more like Tubby isn't what he used to be.

And this as well

(03-11-2017 09:12 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Anyone allowed a thought that Memphis high school BB isn't what it used to be on a national scale? Just asking......

Legerald Vick, Jaylen Fisher, and Johnathan Williams are all performing just fine despite not being recruited by Memphis. Nothing wrong with Memphis high school bball, but there is a ton wrong with the coaches recruiting them. How any coach lets Jarnell Stokes (and Isaiah), Leron Black, Robert Hubbs (west), Johnathan Williams, Vick, Fisher, Douglas, and so on away is bad. If we could actually get the players coming out of the city, we would never see a losing season. Pastner whiffed on most of these and Tubby is whiffing on all the rest. It is kind of sad.

(03-11-2017 09:31 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-11-2017 09:12 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Anyone allowed a thought that Memphis high school BB isn't what it used to be on a national scale? Just asking......

Legerald Vick, Jaylen Fisher, and Johnathan Williams are all performing just fine despite not being recruited by Memphis. Nothing wrong with Memphis high school bball, but there is a ton wrong with the coaches recruiting them. How any coach lets Jarnell Stokes (and Isaiah), Leron Black, Robert Hubbs (west), Johnathan Williams, Vick, Fisher, Douglas, and so on away is bad. If we could actually get the players coming out of the city, we would never see a losing season. Pastner whiffed on most of these and Tubby is whiffing on all the rest. It is kind of sad.

Point Guard for Florida is pretty good and a starter, I think his name is Chiozza!!

(03-10-2017 07:46 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:39 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  According to our basketball beat writer...KJ and Dedric were laughing coming out of the time out huddle. There you have it. I hope this is the end of the Lawson's and their ineptitude daddy on this staff. If you have a damn about winning, why were you freakin laughing while being manhandled on national television? Sabotage -Cancer-Tubby man up and get Keelon off your staff.

Not sabotage...

There was some ineptitude and bad coaching...

But you also cant overcome a situation where teams can just collapse into the paint and leave guys wide open and those open guys either miss or wont shoot.

Tubby does not have a reputation for being inept. How can a HOF coach receive this kind of inept criticism? He's had success everywhere he's coached. The crazed, psychotic fan base with these idiotic, fabricated critiques of the guy are mind boggling and beyond reasonable. It's so unfair.

Correct but there are some situations that could have been managed better before the season, during the season and in game.

Tubby was far from fault free with the problems with this team...But once the season started it was going to be difficult to succeed especially when Crawford went in the tank late.

(03-10-2017 02:42 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  They didn't learn to keep their hands in Williams face the last time we played them?

Best post in the thread. Should have locked it.

(03-11-2017 01:36 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-11-2017 09:31 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-11-2017 09:12 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Anyone allowed a thought that Memphis high school BB isn't what it used to be on a national scale? Just asking......

Legerald Vick, Jaylen Fisher, and Johnathan Williams are all performing just fine despite not being recruited by Memphis. Nothing wrong with Memphis high school bball, but there is a ton wrong with the coaches recruiting them. How any coach lets Jarnell Stokes (and Isaiah), Leron Black, Robert Hubbs (west), Johnathan Williams, Vick, Fisher, Douglas, and so on away is bad. If we could actually get the players coming out of the city, we would never see a losing season. Pastner whiffed on most of these and Tubby is whiffing on all the rest. It is kind of sad.

Point Guard for Florida is pretty good and a starter, I think his name is Chiozza!!

Maybe they are doing well because they don't hear their family and friends criticizing the coach?

(03-11-2017 09:31 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-11-2017 09:12 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Anyone allowed a thought that Memphis high school BB isn't what it used to be on a national scale? Just asking......

Legerald Vick, Jaylen Fisher, and Johnathan Williams are all performing just fine despite not being recruited by Memphis. Nothing wrong with Memphis high school bball, but there is a ton wrong with the coaches recruiting them. How any coach lets Jarnell Stokes (and Isaiah), Leron Black, Robert Hubbs (west), Johnathan Williams, Vick, Fisher, Douglas, and so on away is bad. If we could actually get the players coming out of the city, we would never see a losing season. Pastner whiffed on most of these and Tubby is whiffing on all the rest. It is kind of sad.

Pick your top 3-4 from that group & tell us how "well" they are doing, I've not kept up.....personally I was not wowed by Stokes. Not saying he didn't produce at times but not the type to carry a team or the go-to guy when they needed a basket. Not being critical, he had a decent 3 seasons at UTK, but probably a better role player in the NBA. And BTW, when Stokes decided, in the middle of his Sr HS year to go to college, Memphis didn't have a scholarship, just to be technically correct. And we had T. Black & Shaq inside with F. Hall behind them. Some real talent on that Memphis team when Stokes made the move & he wasn't likely to get immediate PT.