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Ok let me first say ODU didn't deserve to win after falling down 19-2. Fought like hell to get back in it and actually probably should have won. But Marshall was probably the better team. When I look at the box score 2 things stand out.

First Marshall was 14-20 from the line ODU 3-6. This is not a new thing, we consistently either ARE fouling way more than the other team or just get called for the fouls then complain about it. But how is this not being addressed. We are fouling like crazy and putting them at the line. Also ODU has got to be the worst FT shooting team I have ever seen. IDK what else to say about it other than if you don't make free throws you don't win, simple as that and this has been the worst year for that. 75% should be the team minimum, we've had games where we shoot under 50% as a team.

Second from the box score is that while Baker and Taylor were good players they were both just to inconsistent offensively as seniors. Combine for 11 pts tonight but often times this year one would put up 0 and the other single digits. Not that they don't do other things and are above average defenders but we really needed more points from both and they just couldn't get them for us. Both are good kids but it just was not in the cards for them. Tough way to go out.

All that being said, I don't really care if JJ comes back or not but we actually do have a lot of young solid players. Caver, Talley, BJ and Porter will be JRs. Branden is now a senior. and we have some freshman either redshirting or true freshman that could possibly make us a good team next year and the year after. Always could get a grad transfer that could change things. Let's stay optimistic and don't forget ODU was picked to finish 7th in the preseason

Im not sure we foul much on defense, will have to look at the numbers. We def need to draw more fouls offensivley though. That is something Talley/Caver should be able to do.

Flopping pays off.

Clearly we were fouling them more if they shoot 20 foul shouts and we take 6. This stat has been lopsided against us in most games this season

Can't blame the refs for that debachle. I thought they called a pretty good game.

Its really simple. We take jump shots, other teams like Rice and Marshall drive the ball to the hoop, hence they get to the line and we dont. VT plays that way too.

The lane is clogged by guys that cannot shoot. Help defense is usually only a step away. No need to foul when you are always able to be in position. Even bad defensive teams play good help defense against us, because it's easy to do so.

We took 602 free throws this year and the opposition took 609.

28.7% of our shots were at the rim. 43.5% of our shots were 2 point jumpers. 27.8% of our shots were 3s. We shot free throws on 35% of FGA.

Rice:
27.9% of shots were at the rim. 30.6% of shots were 2 point jumpers. 41.5% of shots were 3s. 42.6% FTA/FGA

Marshall:
40% of shots wer at the rim. 17.5% of the shots were 2 point jumpers. 42.4% of shots were 3s. 37.5% FTA/FGA


No real explanation for Rice having more FTs except as 757 mentioned its a clogged lane.

We now have all Jones pieces in place. Love the defense, but we need to alter the way we do things offensively. We now have shooters. Re tool this thing so we place more emphasis on getting to the rim and/or drawing fouls. We cannot have 40% of our shots being the least efficient shot in the game (2 point jumpers). Either shooting a 3 or driving to the rim; lets cut out the mid range.

(03-10-2017 10:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Either shooting a 3 or driving to the rim; lets cut out the mid range.

This. Even BJ, who shot 25% from deep this year gets more points per shot from out there than he does shooting his midrange jumper (at 36%).

(03-10-2017 10:45 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 10:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Either shooting a 3 or driving to the rim; lets cut out the mid range.

This. Even BJ, who shot 25% from deep this year gets more points per shot from out there than he does shooting his midrange jumper (at 36%).

Talley is the only one with enough efficiency in the mid range that he can get away with it. maybe Porter, but that seems to only be when the defense falls asleep.

Caver and BJ are our only perimeter players that draw fouls at any respectable rate. That is something I would like Talley to improve on. Maybe it takes another offseason in the gym, but he needs to draw contact instead of avoiding it.

One of the reasons we don't get more foul shots is that we miss the front ends of one-and-ones a lot. Not the main reason, but a contributor.

One thing I would like to see changed next year. Often in our offensive sets, Denzel or Brandan would take the pass at the top of the key while the other set picks along the baseline to get a guard open in the corner. If they were pressured, it routinely turned into a turnover. Why are we giving a big man (who can't shoot, dribble or pass) the ball outside of their zone early in possessions while a guard runs the baseline? That needs to be someone like Talley or BJ. Someone who can take and make the shot if left open, pass to a cutter or drive the lane.

Welcome to the new NCAA, where running into the teeth of the defense and throwing your arms up is the cornerstone of every offense (except ours, apparently).

College basketball is a joke now.

(03-10-2017 11:15 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  One thing I would like to see changed next year. Often in our offensive sets, Denzel or Brandan would take the pass at the top of the key while the other set picks along the baseline to get a guard open in the corner. If they were pressured, it routinely turned into a turnover. Why are we giving a big man (who can't shoot, dribble or pass) the ball outside of their zone early in possessions while a guard runs the baseline? That needs to be someone like Talley or BJ. Someone who can take and make the shot if left open, pass to a cutter or drive the lane.

You can't park 2 guys down low and you can't have them running off screens so you have to figure out where to place one of your big men unless you run a 4 out offense with guards/forwards.

So you need a big man at the top of the key to open up the floor and set screens. Taylor is actually a good passer, he just takes too many risks and doesn't handle the ball well. But, a big man is able to throw entry passes into the post and opens up lanes/affects the defense's ability to hedge/double.

Taylor was much more effective last year in the high post (he would get 1-2 passes for dunks off the down screen). But, this year, teams didn't have to focus on Freeman/Bacote as much and the down screen play didn't work much.

(03-10-2017 11:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 11:15 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  One thing I would like to see changed next year. Often in our offensive sets, Denzel or Brandan would take the pass at the top of the key while the other set picks along the baseline to get a guard open in the corner. If they were pressured, it routinely turned into a turnover. Why are we giving a big man (who can't shoot, dribble or pass) the ball outside of their zone early in possessions while a guard runs the baseline? That needs to be someone like Talley or BJ. Someone who can take and make the shot if left open, pass to a cutter or drive the lane.

You can't park 2 guys down low and you can't have them running off screens so you have to figure out where to place one of your big men unless you run a 4 out offense with guards/forwards.

So you need a big man at the top of the key to open up the floor and set screens. Taylor is actually a good passer, he just takes too many risks and doesn't handle the ball well. But, a big man is able to throw entry passes into the post and opens up lanes/affects the defense's ability to hedge/double.

Taylor was much more effective last year in the high post (he would get 1-2 passes for dunks off the down screen). But, this year, teams didn't have to focus on Freeman/Bacote as much and the down screen play didn't work much.

You need to space your big men, but you dont need them to a be a distributor. Have them set screens, have them rotate, have one set up at the elbow and the other on the diagonal end of the paint. But you don't have to run your offense through an offensively deficient player from the top of the key.

(03-10-2017 12:43 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 11:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 11:15 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  One thing I would like to see changed next year. Often in our offensive sets, Denzel or Brandan would take the pass at the top of the key while the other set picks along the baseline to get a guard open in the corner. If they were pressured, it routinely turned into a turnover. Why are we giving a big man (who can't shoot, dribble or pass) the ball outside of their zone early in possessions while a guard runs the baseline? That needs to be someone like Talley or BJ. Someone who can take and make the shot if left open, pass to a cutter or drive the lane.

You can't park 2 guys down low and you can't have them running off screens so you have to figure out where to place one of your big men unless you run a 4 out offense with guards/forwards.

So you need a big man at the top of the key to open up the floor and set screens. Taylor is actually a good passer, he just takes too many risks and doesn't handle the ball well. But, a big man is able to throw entry passes into the post and opens up lanes/affects the defense's ability to hedge/double.

Taylor was much more effective last year in the high post (he would get 1-2 passes for dunks off the down screen). But, this year, teams didn't have to focus on Freeman/Bacote as much and the down screen play didn't work much.

You need to space your big men, but you dont need them to a be a distributor. Have them set screens, have them rotate, have one set up at the elbow and the other on the diagonal end of the paint. But you don't have to run your offense through an offensively deficient player from the top of the key.

Which motion offense based system doesnt do this versus man?

(03-10-2017 01:01 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 12:43 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 11:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 11:15 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  One thing I would like to see changed next year. Often in our offensive sets, Denzel or Brandan would take the pass at the top of the key while the other set picks along the baseline to get a guard open in the corner. If they were pressured, it routinely turned into a turnover. Why are we giving a big man (who can't shoot, dribble or pass) the ball outside of their zone early in possessions while a guard runs the baseline? That needs to be someone like Talley or BJ. Someone who can take and make the shot if left open, pass to a cutter or drive the lane.

You can't park 2 guys down low and you can't have them running off screens so you have to figure out where to place one of your big men unless you run a 4 out offense with guards/forwards.

So you need a big man at the top of the key to open up the floor and set screens. Taylor is actually a good passer, he just takes too many risks and doesn't handle the ball well. But, a big man is able to throw entry passes into the post and opens up lanes/affects the defense's ability to hedge/double.

Taylor was much more effective last year in the high post (he would get 1-2 passes for dunks off the down screen). But, this year, teams didn't have to focus on Freeman/Bacote as much and the down screen play didn't work much.

You need to space your big men, but you dont need them to a be a distributor. Have them set screens, have them rotate, have one set up at the elbow and the other on the diagonal end of the paint. But you don't have to run your offense through an offensively deficient player from the top of the key.

Which motion offense based system doesnt do this versus man?

Do what, use the worst offensive player as a distributor? No clue. It makes no sense to me to use him there. With Porter and Carver it could work, since they have some mid range game. But Denzel had no business being a distributor.

(03-10-2017 11:18 AM)Monarch Maniac 10 Wrote:  Welcome to the new NCAA, where running into the teeth of the defense and throwing your arms up is the cornerstone of every offense (except ours, apparently).

College basketball is a joke now.

I was saying the same thing today. Until this season, I've never seen a player pick up his dribble and put the ball on his hip and just run at the defense like a football player, then throw a prayer up after he initiates contact.
But, the calls are made for them, so we need to adjust our style.