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RE: Weekend crowds will be
(03-13-2017 09:47 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
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(03-12-2017 05:59 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Yea, and the Q is rarely more than half full. Hell, it's only more than 1/4-1/3 full for the men's championship.

You are funny...Yes Cleveland is a fun destination! Why do you think the Republican Convention came last Summmer? Cleveland is a big league city with World Class restaurants, museums, theatre district, sporting venues and much more. I like Toledo but you are comparing apples to oranges.

Toledo has improved a lot since the embarrassment of a tournament that they hosted at Seagate but come on...


A few comparisons ...
Toledo Zoo>Cleveland Zoo / Toledo Art Museum>Cleveland Art Museum /Hollywood Casino>Horseshoe Casino / Huntington Center>Quicken Loans Arena( HC is much smaller, but newer and nicer). HC Cleveland does have more hotel rooms and nightlife. But are you there to party, or watch basketball ? There are plenty of dining options/micro breweries in downtown T-town. All within a few blocks of the arena. And, NO I don't work for the Toledo Area Chamber of Commerce ...

There is a reason outside of a handful of Toledo fans nobody wants the tournament in Toledo. Your city it too minor league. If I'm spending PTO hours, I want a full experience, which yes includes a nightlife. On the positive side the 8,000 seat arena would be just fine because nobody would want to take time off work to travel to Toledo.

Your city had the tournament. Your city hosting it was a huge failure. Moving it to Cleveland set all kinds of attendance records. This is where the discussion should start and end.

That was the '90s before 5th 3rd Field(2002), Huntington Center(2009), Hollywood Casino(2012), the new Renaissance Hotel(2017), Promedica's
Headquarters(2017-900 employees),etc.started impacting Toledo's downtown area. Btw, going by 2015-16 figures, Toledo's Men's(4,478 avg) and Women's(4,050 avg) BB programs both outdraw Akron's(3,381 avg) and Kent's(3,587 avg) Men's BB programs. I have a feeling it would be more than a handful of Toledo fans that would like to see the Women's BB MACC in the Huntington Center.

Yes, and when Toledo and their 4,144 average fans (this years numbers) gets booted from the tournament whose going to show up to the games? Certainly not Bowling Green who averaged 1,606 or Eastern Michigan who averaged 1.246. Not that either of those 2 programs are going to make MAC Final anytime soon anyways. Akron/Kent/Buffalo/Ohio continuously make the Final because they are consistently among the MAC's best teams. Moving the tournament further from those fan bases to a less attractive destination will only hurt attendance.

My argument has always been keeping the Men's tournament in Cleveland, which is what several Toledo fans are arguing against. If the committee feels they can rent out the Huntington Center for 3 days and use it to host the MAC Women's tournament and they will come out financially more ahead then what it costs them to rent out the Q for 1 day, I have no problem with them moving the women's tournament to Toledo.
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Clevelanders wont watch a casual wbb game tho. Toledoans will.

The argument should be a rotation at a couple cities to make it fair.
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(03-13-2017 09:38 AM)Old School Flash Wrote:  
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(03-12-2017 07:07 PM)Old School Flash Wrote:  You are funny...Yes Cleveland is a fun destination! Why do you think the Republican Convention came last Summmer? Cleveland is a big league city with World Class restaurants, museums, theatre district, sporting venues and much more. I like Toledo but you are comparing apples to oranges.

Toledo has improved a lot since the embarrassment of a tournament that they hosted at Seagate but come on...


A few comparisons ...
Toledo Zoo>Cleveland Zoo / Toledo Art Museum>Cleveland Art Museum /Hollywood Casino>Horseshoe Casino / Huntington Center>Quicken Loans Arena( HC is much smaller, but newer and nicer). HC Cleveland does have more hotel rooms and nightlife. But are you there to party, or watch basketball ? There are plenty of dining options/micro breweries in downtown T-town. All within a few blocks of the arena. And, NO I don't work for the Toledo Area Chamber of Commerce ...

Toledo museum of art if solid but not even close to being on par with Clevelands. This is silly!

Yeah, Cleveland's is a Top Ten nationally. Toledo's is spectacular, though. "Solid" probably doesn't do it justice.

OK - I agree. Toledo's Art Museum is spectacular! Can we now stop this ridiculous banter? Again, I LOVE TOLEDO but it does not compare to Cleveland as far as attractions, amenities, night life, restaurants, hotels, sports facilities, Cultural Facilities, etc...Like comparing Cleveland to Chicago...In general, Cleveland is not in Chicago's league.

Ridiculous because you say so? Dude, I just agreed with you. Twice. Art museum and that Toledo is even more crappy entertainment wise than Cleveland. That's not banter.
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Keep the men's tourney at the Q, and try the women's tourney at the Huntington...
Simple as that... Change, sometimes, may be beneficial to both parties...
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(03-13-2017 10:45 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Clevelanders wont watch a casual wbb game tho. Toledoans will.

The argument should be a rotation at a couple cities to make it fair.
The tournament decisions will always be based off of the men's tournament as that is where the $$$ is. The drive from Toledo to Cleveland isn't even that bad. I drive ~1 1/2 hours to the game myself living in the outer reaches of NEO, the same as many other Akron fans do. If anyone should be complaining where the tournament is held it should be Ball State, NIU, or Buffalo fans. Instead it is Toledo fans who think their city is better than what it really is. You complain about fairness, but want to play the tournament in a facility that is literally 10 minutes off campus. Going from an NBA arena & playing in front of crowds of 10k+ to playing in a minor league hockey arena that can't even seat 8k+ is a huge downgrade and will never fly. The coaches, players, fans, and league office have spoken and they want the tournament to stay in Cleveland. Put a bid in for the Horizon League tournament.

The MAC West + BG gets the football championship. It's only fair the MAC East gets the basketball tournament.
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Buffalo fans will never complain. Cleveland is our closest trip of the year. It is closer than any MAC team.
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(03-13-2017 11:20 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 10:45 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Clevelanders wont watch a casual wbb game tho. Toledoans will.

The argument should be a rotation at a couple cities to make it fair.
The tournament decisions will always be based off of the men's tournament as that is where the $$$ is. The drive from Toledo to Cleveland isn't even that bad. I drive ~1 1/2 hours to the game myself living in the outer reaches of NEO, the same as many other Akron fans do. If anyone should be complaining where the tournament is held it should be Ball State, NIU, or Buffalo fans. Instead it is Toledo fans who think their city is better than what it really is. You complain about fairness, but want to play the tournament in a facility that is literally 10 minutes off campus. Going from an NBA arena & playing in front of crowds of 10k+ to playing in a minor league hockey arena that can't even seat 8k+ is a huge downgrade and will never fly. The coaches, players, fans, and league office have spoken and they want the tournament to stay in Cleveland. Put a bid in for the Horizon League tournament.

The MAC West + BG gets the football championship. It's only fair the MAC East gets the basketball tournament.

It seats 8k for hockey without seats on the floor where there would be seats for basketball...? The Walleye average near 8k for home games. If it's good enough for Elton John it's good enough for even the mens bball tourney every 6 or 8 years. I'm not complaining about the trip to Cleveland. Nor would I complain about the trip to Chicago or Buffalo every few years. It DOES suck for NIU and WMU fans though... Why they get screwed on a yearly basis is beyond me. You saw the ACC tourney in Brooklyn this season. It'll be somewhere else next year. That's smart! Comparing an intimate venue and city vs. a large NBA arena is neither here nor there. But new Little Caesars Arena, Van Andel Arena, Huntington Center, wherever the Pacers, Buckeyes and Sabres play vs. ONLY Cleveland should be the argument!
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(03-12-2017 09:33 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Speaking about crowds, let's have the annual discussion about how the tournaments should be moved to Huntington Center in Toledo. It holds 8,000+ for hockey, so it could hold a little more for basketball. When Akron-Kent "only" draws 10,300, the tourny needs to move somwhere smaller and more intimate. Supply might go down, but demand, and therefore pricing, will go up.

When the tournament was in Toledo, I thought it was foolish to move it to Cleveland. I didn't think we could sell enough seats to make it worth our while there.

I was completely wrong. It's been a smashing success.

We would have to be doing a lot worse in Cleveland to even consider moving the tournament anywhere else.
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(03-12-2017 12:51 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  While we are at it lets move the MAC Championship game too. It's not fair to Ohio and Buffalo that it's pretty much a home game for Toledo, BG, and EMU.

What other domed venue is an option? Indy. That's it. I'd be ok with that location, as I am sure a lot of others would be, too. But the MAC would then be 2nd fiddle to the P1G since it's game is on Saturday.

There was a time when some of us fans talked about Canton, Ohio, as a possibility. But having a roof is really nice. Detroit remains the best place for the football championship.
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I think splitting the conference tourney to two locations is a bad idea.

Yes, one COULD think Toledo fans might drive more interest in other match-ups, but at the end of the day, the conference is telling the women's teams that effectively, you are not good enough to play at the same venue as the men's sport. The difference might seem minuscule, but going from a NBA stadium to a 2nd tier minor league team arena can be regarded as a slap in the face.
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Are we going to have this conversation every year?
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(03-13-2017 12:55 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 11:20 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 10:45 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Clevelanders wont watch a casual wbb game tho. Toledoans will.

The argument should be a rotation at a couple cities to make it fair.
The tournament decisions will always be based off of the men's tournament as that is where the $$$ is. The drive from Toledo to Cleveland isn't even that bad. I drive ~1 1/2 hours to the game myself living in the outer reaches of NEO, the same as many other Akron fans do. If anyone should be complaining where the tournament is held it should be Ball State, NIU, or Buffalo fans. Instead it is Toledo fans who think their city is better than what it really is. You complain about fairness, but want to play the tournament in a facility that is literally 10 minutes off campus. Going from an NBA arena & playing in front of crowds of 10k+ to playing in a minor league hockey arena that can't even seat 8k+ is a huge downgrade and will never fly. The coaches, players, fans, and league office have spoken and they want the tournament to stay in Cleveland. Put a bid in for the Horizon League tournament.

The MAC West + BG gets the football championship. It's only fair the MAC East gets the basketball tournament.

It seats 8k for hockey without seats on the floor where there would be seats for basketball...? The Walleye average near 8k for home games. If it's good enough for Elton John it's good enough for even the mens bball tourney every 6 or 8 years. I'm not complaining about the trip to Cleveland. Nor would I complain about the trip to Chicago or Buffalo every few years. It DOES suck for NIU and WMU fans though... Why they get screwed on a yearly basis is beyond me. You saw the ACC tourney in Brooklyn this season. It'll be somewhere else next year. That's smart! Comparing an intimate venue and city vs. a large NBA arena is neither here nor there. But new Little Caesars Arena, Van Andel Arena, Huntington Center, wherever the Pacers, Buckeyes and Sabres play vs. ONLY Cleveland should be the argument!

The thing is Toledo wouldn't attract anything close to 8k fans. I also saw the B1G tournament in DC played in less than full capacity arenas. Doesn't mean the B1G wouldn't have made more money playing it in Chicago or Indy where they would have sold way more tickets. NIU, WMU, and Buffalo get "screwed over" every year because it isn't practical to host in those places just like it wasn't practical for the B1G to move their tournament away from where the B1G fans were. Cleveland outside of being the #1 market for Kent and Akron alumni contains a huge alumni base of Ohio alumni and as the Buffalo fan pointed out its Buffalo "closest road trip" all year. Toledo is then a modest 2 hour drive away. Those are the 5 largest fan bases for MAC basketball and Cleveland is about as center to them as you can get.

Let me put this in perspective for you to show you how successful the MAC tourney in Cleveland is. Here are the attendance figures for several mid-major tournament this year.

MAC - 10,376
C-USA - 6,176
SunBelt - TBD (Played in 10,000 arena that was not even close to being full)
CAA - 6,342
Horizon League - 5,929
WCC - 8,179 (featured 2 ranked teams in Vegas)

Those MAC tickets were selling between $20-$54 per ticket. The MAC is far exceeding its peers in Cleveland.
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(03-13-2017 01:31 PM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I think splitting the conference tourney to two locations is a bad idea.

Yes, one COULD think Toledo fans might drive more interest in other match-ups, but at the end of the day, the conference is telling the women's teams that effectively, you are not good enough to play at the same venue as the men's sport. The difference might seem minuscule, but going from a NBA stadium to a 2nd tier minor league team arena can be regarded as a slap in the face.

Second tier? Second tier to an NBA stadium? Sure. But EMU could play in the big house... doesn't make any difference if no one is coming.

The Huntington Center is nicer than all ECHL arena's and all AHL arena's except those who play in an NHL arena. I'd put everything I have on the line to say that the Huntington center is "nicer" than Joe Lewis Arena which will be retired in a few months as they move to Little Caesars Arena across I-75.

The Huntington Center is as "nice" as the Q. It's just smaller. Take away the giant scoreboard, and endless hallways in their suites... I don't see one being better than the other if less than 9k are coming anyways. Unless Akron or Kent or OU is in the mens tourney against eachother, the Q doesn't draw that anyhow? Toledo is actually 2nd in attendance, so they would probably sell out a semi or title game if it was in Toledo. Not to mention, EMU, CMU, WMU, NIU, BSU, BG, and Miami would be closer... Geographically the MIDDLE of the conference is in Northwest Ohio.

The Huntington Center site would be TERRIFIC for a ROTATION of many arena's. I'm not saying it can't be in Cleveland every couple years. But why can't every team get a fair shot at being close?
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(03-13-2017 02:00 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 12:55 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 11:20 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 10:45 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Clevelanders wont watch a casual wbb game tho. Toledoans will.

The argument should be a rotation at a couple cities to make it fair.
The tournament decisions will always be based off of the men's tournament as that is where the $$$ is. The drive from Toledo to Cleveland isn't even that bad. I drive ~1 1/2 hours to the game myself living in the outer reaches of NEO, the same as many other Akron fans do. If anyone should be complaining where the tournament is held it should be Ball State, NIU, or Buffalo fans. Instead it is Toledo fans who think their city is better than what it really is. You complain about fairness, but want to play the tournament in a facility that is literally 10 minutes off campus. Going from an NBA arena & playing in front of crowds of 10k+ to playing in a minor league hockey arena that can't even seat 8k+ is a huge downgrade and will never fly. The coaches, players, fans, and league office have spoken and they want the tournament to stay in Cleveland. Put a bid in for the Horizon League tournament.

The MAC West + BG gets the football championship. It's only fair the MAC East gets the basketball tournament.

It seats 8k for hockey without seats on the floor where there would be seats for basketball...? The Walleye average near 8k for home games. If it's good enough for Elton John it's good enough for even the mens bball tourney every 6 or 8 years. I'm not complaining about the trip to Cleveland. Nor would I complain about the trip to Chicago or Buffalo every few years. It DOES suck for NIU and WMU fans though... Why they get screwed on a yearly basis is beyond me. You saw the ACC tourney in Brooklyn this season. It'll be somewhere else next year. That's smart! Comparing an intimate venue and city vs. a large NBA arena is neither here nor there. But new Little Caesars Arena, Van Andel Arena, Huntington Center, wherever the Pacers, Buckeyes and Sabres play vs. ONLY Cleveland should be the argument!

The thing is Toledo wouldn't attract anything close to 8k fans. I also saw the B1G tournament in DC played in less than full capacity arenas. Doesn't mean the B1G wouldn't have made more money playing it in Chicago or Indy where they would have sold way more tickets. NIU, WMU, and Buffalo get "screwed over" every year because it isn't practical to host in those places just like it wasn't practical for the B1G to move their tournament away from where the B1G fans were. Cleveland outside of being the #1 market for Kent and Akron alumni contains a huge alumni base of Ohio alumni and as the Buffalo fan pointed out its Buffalo "closest road trip" all year. Toledo is then a modest 2 hour drive away. Those are the 5 largest fan bases for MAC basketball and Cleveland is about as center to them as you can get.

Let me put this in perspective for you to show you how successful the MAC tourney in Cleveland is. Here are the attendance figures for several mid-major tournament this year.

MAC - 10,376
C-USA - 6,176
SunBelt - TBD (Played in 10,000 arena that was not even close to being full)
CAA - 6,342
Horizon League - 5,929
WCC - 8,179 (featured 2 ranked teams in Vegas)

Those MAC tickets were selling between $20-$54 per ticket. The MAC is far exceeding its peers in Cleveland.
You had literally the best matchup possible for the 2 closest schools to Cleveland. How good was attendance when WMU played Toledo in 2014? I bet it would have been better in a site further West like Chicago, Detroit, Grand Rapids, or Toledo...

And 5 largest fanbases? Don't tell CMU that and the 3 directionals with alums in Detroit. Attendance is cyclical based on team worth. Miami will have good attendance when they get good again. If Akron and Kent start to slump then the Cleveland destination will suck. That's why it needs to be on a ROTATION so when other teams fandom peak, they can have a short drive every once in a while. Columbus would even embrace the center of Ohio where 7 MAC schools are located, and give the best conference fan base a little closer of a drive. A school that has a lot of alums in that city as well.
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(03-13-2017 02:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 02:00 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 12:55 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 11:20 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 10:45 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Clevelanders wont watch a casual wbb game tho. Toledoans will.

The argument should be a rotation at a couple cities to make it fair.
The tournament decisions will always be based off of the men's tournament as that is where the $$$ is. The drive from Toledo to Cleveland isn't even that bad. I drive ~1 1/2 hours to the game myself living in the outer reaches of NEO, the same as many other Akron fans do. If anyone should be complaining where the tournament is held it should be Ball State, NIU, or Buffalo fans. Instead it is Toledo fans who think their city is better than what it really is. You complain about fairness, but want to play the tournament in a facility that is literally 10 minutes off campus. Going from an NBA arena & playing in front of crowds of 10k+ to playing in a minor league hockey arena that can't even seat 8k+ is a huge downgrade and will never fly. The coaches, players, fans, and league office have spoken and they want the tournament to stay in Cleveland. Put a bid in for the Horizon League tournament.

The MAC West + BG gets the football championship. It's only fair the MAC East gets the basketball tournament.

It seats 8k for hockey without seats on the floor where there would be seats for basketball...? The Walleye average near 8k for home games. If it's good enough for Elton John it's good enough for even the mens bball tourney every 6 or 8 years. I'm not complaining about the trip to Cleveland. Nor would I complain about the trip to Chicago or Buffalo every few years. It DOES suck for NIU and WMU fans though... Why they get screwed on a yearly basis is beyond me. You saw the ACC tourney in Brooklyn this season. It'll be somewhere else next year. That's smart! Comparing an intimate venue and city vs. a large NBA arena is neither here nor there. But new Little Caesars Arena, Van Andel Arena, Huntington Center, wherever the Pacers, Buckeyes and Sabres play vs. ONLY Cleveland should be the argument!

The thing is Toledo wouldn't attract anything close to 8k fans. I also saw the B1G tournament in DC played in less than full capacity arenas. Doesn't mean the B1G wouldn't have made more money playing it in Chicago or Indy where they would have sold way more tickets. NIU, WMU, and Buffalo get "screwed over" every year because it isn't practical to host in those places just like it wasn't practical for the B1G to move their tournament away from where the B1G fans were. Cleveland outside of being the #1 market for Kent and Akron alumni contains a huge alumni base of Ohio alumni and as the Buffalo fan pointed out its Buffalo "closest road trip" all year. Toledo is then a modest 2 hour drive away. Those are the 5 largest fan bases for MAC basketball and Cleveland is about as center to them as you can get.

Let me put this in perspective for you to show you how successful the MAC tourney in Cleveland is. Here are the attendance figures for several mid-major tournament this year.

MAC - 10,376
C-USA - 6,176
SunBelt - TBD (Played in 10,000 arena that was not even close to being full)
CAA - 6,342
Horizon League - 5,929
WCC - 8,179 (featured 2 ranked teams in Vegas)

Those MAC tickets were selling between $20-$54 per ticket. The MAC is far exceeding its peers in Cleveland.
You had literally the best matchup possible for the 2 closest schools to Cleveland. How good was attendance when WMU played Toledo in 2014? I bet it would have been better in a site further West like Chicago, Detroit, Grand Rapids, or Toledo...

And 5 largest fanbases? Don't tell CMU that and the 3 directionals with alums in Detroit. Attendance is cyclical based on team worth. Miami will have good attendance when they get good again. If Akron and Kent start to slump then the Cleveland destination will suck. That's why it needs to be on a ROTATION so when other teams fandom peak, they can have a short drive every once in a while. Columbus would even embrace the center of Ohio where 7 MAC schools are located, and give the best conference fan base a little closer of a drive. A school that has a lot of alums in that city as well.

They tried Columbus and it was terrible. It was far enough away from everyone that nobody wanted to go. Miami, Bowling Green, and Buffalo fans have all came on this forum and said it should stay in Cleveland. It's only you Toledo fans asking for change.

This is all irrelevant however as the MAC tournament is locked into Cleveland thru 2023. Like it or not the tournament will be in Cleveland for the foreseeable future. Complaining about it is just beating a dead horse.
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(03-13-2017 01:44 PM)JSF Wrote:  Are we going to have this conversation every year?

It's absurd, I know. We could be using this space to discuss booting EMU or whether NDSU or ISU are really good fits for MAC expansion.
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(03-13-2017 03:07 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 01:44 PM)JSF Wrote:  Are we going to have this conversation every year?

It's absurd, I know. We could be using this space to discuss booting EMU or whether NDSU or ISU are really good fits for MAC expansion.

OK, I"ll bite !!
Illinois State to the MAC west...
James Madison to the MAC east...
Rotate the basketball tournaments between the Findlay Oiler facility and Tiffin University's gym...
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(03-12-2017 09:33 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Speaking about crowds, let's have the annual discussion about how the tournaments should be moved to Huntington Center in Toledo...

(03-13-2017 01:44 PM)JSF Wrote:  Are we going to have this conversation every year?

Well, I did say, "let's have the annual discussion..." 03-yes
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(03-13-2017 02:06 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 01:31 PM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I think splitting the conference tourney to two locations is a bad idea.

Yes, one COULD think Toledo fans might drive more interest in other match-ups, but at the end of the day, the conference is telling the women's teams that effectively, you are not good enough to play at the same venue as the men's sport. The difference might seem minuscule, but going from a NBA stadium to a 2nd tier minor league team arena can be regarded as a slap in the face.

Second tier? Second tier to an NBA stadium? Sure. But EMU could play in the big house... doesn't make any difference if no one is coming.

The Huntington Center is nicer than all ECHL arena's and all AHL arena's except those who play in an NHL arena. I'd put everything I have on the line to say that the Huntington center is "nicer" than Joe Lewis Arena which will be retired in a few months as they move to Little Caesars Arena across I-75.

The Huntington Center is as "nice" as the Q. It's just smaller. Take away the giant scoreboard, and endless hallways in their suites... I don't see one being better than the other if less than 9k are coming anyways. Unless Akron or Kent or OU is in the mens tourney against eachother, the Q doesn't draw that anyhow? Toledo is actually 2nd in attendance, so they would probably sell out a semi or title game if it was in Toledo. Not to mention, EMU, CMU, WMU, NIU, BSU, BG, and Miami would be closer... Geographically the MIDDLE of the conference is in Northwest Ohio.

The Huntington Center site would be TERRIFIC for a ROTATION of many arena's. I'm not saying it can't be in Cleveland every couple years. But why can't every team get a fair shot at being close?

Dude...... put the beers down. You're not winning this debate.
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