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(03-12-2017 01:02 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  NBA arena is better for recruiting than a minor league Hockey arena.

Hotels are an issue downtown Toledo. Very few options.

As I said earlier, the Renaissance, which will be a 4 star hotel will open this summer. Also another downtown property, the old 19 story Seagate hotel is possibly going to be renovated with an additional 275 rooms. The Raddison Park Inn/ Mariott Renaissance/ Seagate/Holiday Inn gives you close to 1000 rooms all within walking distance to the Huntington Center... The Raddison and Seagate are all connnected to the convention center which connects by concourses/parking garages to the arena... The women's tourney IMO, should be in Toledo...
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(03-12-2017 01:17 PM)axeme Wrote:  KSU, Akron, OU and Buffalo are not winning the tournament because they are closer and have more fans. They are winning because they have the best teams. Ask WMU. They won in Cleveland. Twice. The Q and its surrounding area are ideal for the tourney. Almost no conferences have a location with hotels and restaurants and night life all within walking distance. It's just ideal. Show me a city with as good a setup. I know everyone wishes it were closer to their schools. I wish it were closer to me! (3.5 hrs. away.) But you can't beat everything it offers anywhere in the MAC footprint.

Agreed. Cleveland has been a great spot and I hope it continues for many years.
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Tournament needs to stay in Cleveland. It's a fun destination and the Q does a great job.
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(03-12-2017 05:11 PM)GalliaCat Wrote:  Tournament needs to stay in Cleveland. It's a fun destination and the Q does a great job.

"Cleveland" and "fun destination"? 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao
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(03-12-2017 09:33 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Speaking about crowds, let's have the annual discussion about how the tournaments should be moved to Huntington Center in Toledo. It holds 8,000+ for hockey, so it could hold a little more for basketball. When Akron-Kent "only" draws 10,300, the tourny needs to move somwhere smaller and more intimate. Supply might go down, but demand, and therefore pricing, will go up.
I liked it when it was held in Toledo, but it's also fun to travel to other cities. It might be fun to have it in Chicago one year, Buffalo the next, Indianapolis after that.... But Cleveland is convenient and they're fantastic hosts. The staff of the arena, hotels, bars, and restaurants are friendly and hospitable. I love The Q; it's just a great venue, and Cleveland has lost enough population that getting in, out, and around the city is a breeze. I can't think of a good enough reason to move the tournament as things stand now.

I think because of Title IX, there might be some desire to separate the men's and women's tournaments, but the economics of it - the Q is already set up so there's no way to do it without increased costs. Akron is closest to Cleveland, but you could get from downtown Toledo to downtown Cleveland in less than two hours so it's definitely doable for schools with teams in both tournaments.

Now that the Pistons are moving downtown, the Palace would be available if it's not being torn down. They might want to submit a bid the next time it comes up. All things considered, it makes most sense to keep both tournaments together, and keep them in Cleveland.
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(03-12-2017 05:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:11 PM)GalliaCat Wrote:  Tournament needs to stay in Cleveland. It's a fun destination and the Q does a great job.

"Cleveland" and "fun destination"? 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

Says the guy advocating for Toledo. The Vegas of Northwest Ohio!?

People have presented plenty of facts and opinions supporting Cleveland as a venue, including Toledo's failure as a host city in the mid to late 90s. You don't have to like Cleveland, but it's been the best venue by a long shot.
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(03-12-2017 05:45 PM)Copy Cat Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:11 PM)GalliaCat Wrote:  Tournament needs to stay in Cleveland. It's a fun destination and the Q does a great job.

"Cleveland" and "fun destination"? 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

Says the guy advocating for Toledo. The Vegas of Northwest Ohio!?

People have presented plenty of facts and opinions supporting Cleveland as a venue, including Toledo's failure as a host city in the mid to late 90s. You don't have to like Cleveland, but it's been the best venue by a long shot.

Yea, and the Q is rarely more than half full. Hell, it's only more than 1/4-1/3 full for the men's championship.
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The best womens fanbase is Toledo which is a top 30 program in the nation for fans. The MAC title game had 1,500 and change, 75% being UT fans. That was a "good" crowd for the womens tourney! That would have been 6k in Toledo or more... in an arena that holds half!! 15k seat arena with 1,500 is despicable. Clevelands casino isn't even on par with ours anymore. Cleveland is known for nothing but the recent cavs. Detroit at least has sports and auto history. I don't buy the bankruptcy crap anymore. Old news. Never been approached my more homeless people than this past weekend. From the mariott to the Q as a walk... literally 2 blocks.
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On the men's side, the title game was the only well-attended game at the Q (and that's just by luck that Akron/Kent both made it). I'd love to see it in Toledo once ProMedica is all moved in and all the hotels/apartments are finished being renovated.

The women's tournament would already do great in Toledo.
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(03-12-2017 05:59 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:45 PM)Copy Cat Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:11 PM)GalliaCat Wrote:  Tournament needs to stay in Cleveland. It's a fun destination and the Q does a great job.

"Cleveland" and "fun destination"? 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

Says the guy advocating for Toledo. The Vegas of Northwest Ohio!?

People have presented plenty of facts and opinions supporting Cleveland as a venue, including Toledo's failure as a host city in the mid to late 90s. You don't have to like Cleveland, but it's been the best venue by a long shot.

Yea, and the Q is rarely more than half full. Hell, it's only more than 1/4-1/3 full for the men's championship.

You are funny...Yes Cleveland is a fun destination! Why do you think the Republican Convention came last Summmer? Cleveland is a big league city with World Class restaurants, museums, theatre district, sporting venues and much more. I like Toledo but you are comparing apples to oranges.

Toledo has improved a lot since the embarrassment of a tournament that they hosted at Seagate but come on...
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(03-12-2017 06:31 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The best womens fanbase is Toledo which is a top 30 program in the nation for fans. The MAC title game had 1,500 and change, 75% being UT fans. That was a "good" crowd for the womens tourney! That would have been 6k in Toledo or more... in an arena that holds half!! 15k seat arena with 1,500 is despicable. Clevelands casino isn't even on par with ours anymore. Cleveland is known for nothing but the recent cavs. Detroit at least has sports and auto history. I don't buy the bankruptcy crap anymore. Old news. Never been approached my more homeless people than this past weekend. From the mariott to the Q as a walk... literally 2 blocks.

It actually seats 20k+.

They should move the women's tournament to Toledo and try that out, and do it a week before the men's - have the women's finals on Sunday, semis on Saturday, quarters on Friday.
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(03-12-2017 05:45 PM)Copy Cat Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:11 PM)GalliaCat Wrote:  Tournament needs to stay in Cleveland. It's a fun destination and the Q does a great job.

"Cleveland" and "fun destination"? 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

Says the guy advocating for Toledo. The Vegas of Northwest Ohio!?

People have presented plenty of facts and opinions supporting Cleveland as a venue, including Toledo's failure as a host city in the mid to late 90s. You don't have to like Cleveland, but it's been the best venue by a long shot.

Cleveland is a dump,but entertainment wise a slightly better dump than Toledo. Found a dead person outside our hotel there one year, about three blocks from Quicken. Toledo is more centrally located and would draw better for the women but might affect men's attendance if people had to choose one or the other (which still would happen a lot if tournaments are offset due to travel costs, time constraints, etc.) I say leave it as is even though Toledo as a whole is a lovely place. Just not a lot going on downtown.
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(03-12-2017 07:07 PM)Old School Flash Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:59 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:45 PM)Copy Cat Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:11 PM)GalliaCat Wrote:  Tournament needs to stay in Cleveland. It's a fun destination and the Q does a great job.

"Cleveland" and "fun destination"? 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

Says the guy advocating for Toledo. The Vegas of Northwest Ohio!?

People have presented plenty of facts and opinions supporting Cleveland as a venue, including Toledo's failure as a host city in the mid to late 90s. You don't have to like Cleveland, but it's been the best venue by a long shot.

Yea, and the Q is rarely more than half full. Hell, it's only more than 1/4-1/3 full for the men's championship.

You are funny...Yes Cleveland is a fun destination! Why do you think the Republican Convention came last Summmer? Cleveland is a big league city with World Class restaurants, museums, theatre district, sporting venues and much more. I like Toledo but you are comparing apples to oranges.

Toledo has improved a lot since the embarrassment of a tournament that they hosted at Seagate but come on...


A few comparisons ...
Toledo Zoo>Cleveland Zoo / Toledo Art Museum>Cleveland Art Museum /Hollywood Casino>Horseshoe Casino / Huntington Center>Quicken Loans Arena( HC is much smaller, but newer and nicer). HC Cleveland does have more hotel rooms and nightlife. But are you there to party, or watch basketball ? There are plenty of dining options/micro breweries in downtown T-town. All within a few blocks of the arena. And, NO I don't work for the Toledo Area Chamber of Commerce ...
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(03-12-2017 10:30 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 07:07 PM)Old School Flash Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:59 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:45 PM)Copy Cat Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  "Cleveland" and "fun destination"? 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

Says the guy advocating for Toledo. The Vegas of Northwest Ohio!?

People have presented plenty of facts and opinions supporting Cleveland as a venue, including Toledo's failure as a host city in the mid to late 90s. You don't have to like Cleveland, but it's been the best venue by a long shot.

Yea, and the Q is rarely more than half full. Hell, it's only more than 1/4-1/3 full for the men's championship.

You are funny...Yes Cleveland is a fun destination! Why do you think the Republican Convention came last Summmer? Cleveland is a big league city with World Class restaurants, museums, theatre district, sporting venues and much more. I like Toledo but you are comparing apples to oranges.

Toledo has improved a lot since the embarrassment of a tournament that they hosted at Seagate but come on...


A few comparisons ...
Toledo Zoo>Cleveland Zoo / Toledo Art Museum>Cleveland Art Museum /Hollywood Casino>Horseshoe Casino / Huntington Center>Quicken Loans Arena( HC is much smaller, but newer and nicer). HC Cleveland does have more hotel rooms and nightlife. But are you there to party, or watch basketball ? There are plenty of dining options/micro breweries in downtown T-town. All within a few blocks of the arena. And, NO I don't work for the Toledo Area Chamber of Commerce ...

There is a reason outside of a handful of Toledo fans nobody wants the tournament in Toledo. Your city it too minor league. If I'm spending PTO hours, I want a full experience, which yes includes a nightlife. On the positive side the 8,000 seat arena would be just fine because nobody would want to take time off work to travel to Toledo.

Your city had the tournament. Your city hosting it was a huge failure. Moving it to Cleveland set all kinds of attendance records. This is where the discussion should start and end.
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(03-12-2017 10:30 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 07:07 PM)Old School Flash Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:59 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:45 PM)Copy Cat Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  "Cleveland" and "fun destination"? 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

Says the guy advocating for Toledo. The Vegas of Northwest Ohio!?

People have presented plenty of facts and opinions supporting Cleveland as a venue, including Toledo's failure as a host city in the mid to late 90s. You don't have to like Cleveland, but it's been the best venue by a long shot.

Yea, and the Q is rarely more than half full. Hell, it's only more than 1/4-1/3 full for the men's championship.

You are funny...Yes Cleveland is a fun destination! Why do you think the Republican Convention came last Summmer? Cleveland is a big league city with World Class restaurants, museums, theatre district, sporting venues and much more. I like Toledo but you are comparing apples to oranges.

Toledo has improved a lot since the embarrassment of a tournament that they hosted at Seagate but come on...


A few comparisons ...
Toledo Zoo>Cleveland Zoo / Toledo Art Museum>Cleveland Art Museum /Hollywood Casino>Horseshoe Casino / Huntington Center>Quicken Loans Arena( HC is much smaller, but newer and nicer). HC Cleveland does have more hotel rooms and nightlife. But are you there to party, or watch basketball ? There are plenty of dining options/micro breweries in downtown T-town. All within a few blocks of the arena. And, NO I don't work for the Toledo Area Chamber of Commerce ...

Toledo museum of art if solid but not even close to being on par with Clevelands. This is silly!
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(03-13-2017 07:02 AM)Old School Flash Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 10:30 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 07:07 PM)Old School Flash Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:59 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:45 PM)Copy Cat Wrote:  Says the guy advocating for Toledo. The Vegas of Northwest Ohio!?

People have presented plenty of facts and opinions supporting Cleveland as a venue, including Toledo's failure as a host city in the mid to late 90s. You don't have to like Cleveland, but it's been the best venue by a long shot.

Yea, and the Q is rarely more than half full. Hell, it's only more than 1/4-1/3 full for the men's championship.

You are funny...Yes Cleveland is a fun destination! Why do you think the Republican Convention came last Summmer? Cleveland is a big league city with World Class restaurants, museums, theatre district, sporting venues and much more. I like Toledo but you are comparing apples to oranges.

Toledo has improved a lot since the embarrassment of a tournament that they hosted at Seagate but come on...


A few comparisons ...
Toledo Zoo>Cleveland Zoo / Toledo Art Museum>Cleveland Art Museum /Hollywood Casino>Horseshoe Casino / Huntington Center>Quicken Loans Arena( HC is much smaller, but newer and nicer). HC Cleveland does have more hotel rooms and nightlife. But are you there to party, or watch basketball ? There are plenty of dining options/micro breweries in downtown T-town. All within a few blocks of the arena. And, NO I don't work for the Toledo Area Chamber of Commerce ...

Toledo museum of art if solid but not even close to being on par with Clevelands. This is silly!

Yeah, Cleveland's is a Top Ten nationally. Toledo's is spectacular, though. "Solid" probably doesn't do it justice.
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(03-13-2017 07:58 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 07:02 AM)Old School Flash Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 10:30 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 07:07 PM)Old School Flash Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:59 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Yea, and the Q is rarely more than half full. Hell, it's only more than 1/4-1/3 full for the men's championship.

You are funny...Yes Cleveland is a fun destination! Why do you think the Republican Convention came last Summmer? Cleveland is a big league city with World Class restaurants, museums, theatre district, sporting venues and much more. I like Toledo but you are comparing apples to oranges.

Toledo has improved a lot since the embarrassment of a tournament that they hosted at Seagate but come on...


A few comparisons ...
Toledo Zoo>Cleveland Zoo / Toledo Art Museum>Cleveland Art Museum /Hollywood Casino>Horseshoe Casino / Huntington Center>Quicken Loans Arena( HC is much smaller, but newer and nicer). HC Cleveland does have more hotel rooms and nightlife. But are you there to party, or watch basketball ? There are plenty of dining options/micro breweries in downtown T-town. All within a few blocks of the arena. And, NO I don't work for the Toledo Area Chamber of Commerce ...

Toledo museum of art if solid but not even close to being on par with Clevelands. This is silly!

Yeah, Cleveland's is a Top Ten nationally. Toledo's is spectacular, though. "Solid" probably doesn't do it justice.

OK - I agree. Toledo's Art Museum is spectacular! Can we now stop this ridiculous banter? Again, I LOVE TOLEDO but it does not compare to Cleveland as far as attractions, amenities, night life, restaurants, hotels, sports facilities, Cultural Facilities, etc...Like comparing Cleveland to Chicago...In general, Cleveland is not in Chicago's league.
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(03-11-2017 10:37 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I'd expect a lot more Akron fans to attend tonight's game. You have to remember they moved the start times up so that the first game started at 5:30 when in years past it was 6:30-7:00.

yeah, that 530 & 8 move was total bull****
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(03-13-2017 09:38 AM)Old School Flash Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 07:58 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 07:02 AM)Old School Flash Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 10:30 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 07:07 PM)Old School Flash Wrote:  You are funny...Yes Cleveland is a fun destination! Why do you think the Republican Convention came last Summmer? Cleveland is a big league city with World Class restaurants, museums, theatre district, sporting venues and much more. I like Toledo but you are comparing apples to oranges.

Toledo has improved a lot since the embarrassment of a tournament that they hosted at Seagate but come on...


A few comparisons ...
Toledo Zoo>Cleveland Zoo / Toledo Art Museum>Cleveland Art Museum /Hollywood Casino>Horseshoe Casino / Huntington Center>Quicken Loans Arena( HC is much smaller, but newer and nicer). HC Cleveland does have more hotel rooms and nightlife. But are you there to party, or watch basketball ? There are plenty of dining options/micro breweries in downtown T-town. All within a few blocks of the arena. And, NO I don't work for the Toledo Area Chamber of Commerce ...

Toledo museum of art if solid but not even close to being on par with Clevelands. This is silly!

Yeah, Cleveland's is a Top Ten nationally. Toledo's is spectacular, though. "Solid" probably doesn't do it justice.

OK - I agree. Toledo's Art Museum is spectacular! Can we now stop this ridiculous banter? Again, I LOVE TOLEDO but it does not compare to Cleveland as far as attractions, amenities, night life, restaurants, hotels, sports facilities, Cultural Facilities, etc...Like comparing Cleveland to Chicago...In general, Cleveland is not in Chicago's league.

Probably the more accurate comparison is trying to compare Cleveland to New York City...
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(03-13-2017 06:25 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 10:30 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 07:07 PM)Old School Flash Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:59 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 05:45 PM)Copy Cat Wrote:  Says the guy advocating for Toledo. The Vegas of Northwest Ohio!?

People have presented plenty of facts and opinions supporting Cleveland as a venue, including Toledo's failure as a host city in the mid to late 90s. You don't have to like Cleveland, but it's been the best venue by a long shot.

Yea, and the Q is rarely more than half full. Hell, it's only more than 1/4-1/3 full for the men's championship.

You are funny...Yes Cleveland is a fun destination! Why do you think the Republican Convention came last Summmer? Cleveland is a big league city with World Class restaurants, museums, theatre district, sporting venues and much more. I like Toledo but you are comparing apples to oranges.

Toledo has improved a lot since the embarrassment of a tournament that they hosted at Seagate but come on...


A few comparisons ...
Toledo Zoo>Cleveland Zoo / Toledo Art Museum>Cleveland Art Museum /Hollywood Casino>Horseshoe Casino / Huntington Center>Quicken Loans Arena( HC is much smaller, but newer and nicer). HC Cleveland does have more hotel rooms and nightlife. But are you there to party, or watch basketball ? There are plenty of dining options/micro breweries in downtown T-town. All within a few blocks of the arena. And, NO I don't work for the Toledo Area Chamber of Commerce ...

There is a reason outside of a handful of Toledo fans nobody wants the tournament in Toledo. Your city it too minor league. If I'm spending PTO hours, I want a full experience, which yes includes a nightlife. On the positive side the 8,000 seat arena would be just fine because nobody would want to take time off work to travel to Toledo.

Your city had the tournament. Your city hosting it was a huge failure. Moving it to Cleveland set all kinds of attendance records. This is where the discussion should start and end.

That was the '90s before 5th 3rd Field(2002), Huntington Center(2009), Hollywood Casino(2012), the new Renaissance Hotel(2017), Promedica's
Headquarters(2017-900 employees),etc.started impacting Toledo's downtown area. Btw, going by 2015-16 figures, Toledo's Men's(4,478 avg) and Women's(4,050 avg) BB programs both outdraw Akron's(3,381 avg) and Kent's(3,587 avg) Men's BB programs. I have a feeling it would be more than a handful of Toledo fans that would like to see the Women's BB MACC in the Huntington Center.
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