I went back and looked at the schools who "auditioned" for the Big 12 last summer. The list is long and included Air Force. Why wouldn't Navy consider the Big 12? If the Big 12 went East with expansion because of West Virginia, Navy makes sense, especially if Cincinnati was included. Thoughts?
Cheers!

Navy football...


...against texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State...

...sure

(03-09-2017 08:33 PM)panama Wrote:  Navy football...


...against texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State...

...sure

Kansas does it.

Cheers!

(03-09-2017 08:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I went back and looked at the schools who "auditioned" for the Big 12 last summer. The list is long and included Air Force. Why wouldn't Navy consider the Big 12? If the Big 12 went East with expansion because of West Virginia, Navy makes sense, especially if Cincinnati was included. Thoughts?
Cheers!

Ive actually always felt like they were a natural bookend for Notre Dame should ND ever become a full member of the ACC. That protects an annual ND rivalry game without tying up an OOC slot.

(03-09-2017 08:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I went back and looked at the schools who "auditioned" for the Big 12 last summer. The list is long and included Air Force. Why wouldn't Navy consider the Big 12? If the Big 12 went East with expansion because of West Virginia, Navy makes sense, especially if Cincinnati was included. Thoughts?
Cheers!

A few years back the commandants of the service academies decided not to pursue P conference associations. The reasoning is the weight and height restrictions that midshipmen and cadets are placed under. While there have been some exceptions made for athletes their average offensive and defensive line is outweighed by almost 80 lbs. a man when facing the average P school. Injuries, many career ending (and we are talking about military career ending) happen because of the weekly pounding that their linemen take against such size disadvantages.

Obviously the cadets and middies are not afraid of anybody. But add the bowl season extending into January which also screws up the calendars of these academies and it presents some fairly good reasons for not pursuing the P association.

So in the interest of keeping the mission focus of the school to turn out our nation's career military officers, and to promote health and physical fitness the limitation of competition against such mismatches on the line is indicated.

At the time of the last Big 12 search Air Force expressed some passing interest in the Big 12. I'm sure they were rethinking their stance and probably collecting data on the valuation of Falcon football, or they might have been gathering information to compare revenue vs G5 revenue (which is where they most likely will wind up). But when T.C.U. and W.V.U. joined Air Force indicated that they weren't interested.

Needless to say, I'm sure the P conferences would make a place for them if they decided they wanted in, and if they don't they will add to the allure of the G5.

So either way they will be fine.

The ACC folks talk about Navy from time to time. I'm sure Army would find no obstacles either. But for now it looks like they will intentionally stay out.

(03-09-2017 08:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I went back and looked at the schools who "auditioned" for the Big 12 last summer. The list is long and included Air Force. Why wouldn't Navy consider the Big 12? If the Big 12 went East with expansion because of West Virginia, Navy makes sense, especially if Cincinnati was included. Thoughts?
Cheers!

A few years back the commandants of the service academies decided not to pursue P conference associations. The reasoning is the weight and height restrictions that midshipmen and cadets are placed under. While there have been some exceptions made for athletes their average offensive and defensive line is outweighed by almost 80 lbs. a man when facing the average P school. Injuries, many career ending (and we are talking about military career ending) happen because of the weekly pounding that their linemen take against such size disadvantages.

Obviously the cadets and middies are not afraid of anybody. But add the bowl season extending into January which also screws up the calendars of these academies and it presents some fairly good reasons for not pursuing the P association.

So in the interest of keeping the mission focus of the school to turn out our nation's career military officers, and to promote health and physical fitness the limitation of competition against such mismatches on the line is indicated.

At the time of the last Big 12 search Air Force expressed some passing interest in the Big 12. I'm sure they were rethinking their stance and probably collecting data on the valuation of Falcon football, or they might have been gathering information to compare revenue vs G5 revenue (which is where they most likely will wind up). But when T.C.U. and W.V.U. joined Air Force indicated that they weren't interested.

Needless to say, I'm sure the P conferences would make a place for them if they decided they wanted in, and if they don't they will add to the allure of the G5.

So either way they will be fine.

The ACC folks talk about Navy from time to time. I'm sure Army would find no obstacles either. But for now it looks like they will intentionally stay out.

Oh I know all about the height and weight requirements. I had to be taped several times when I was pumping weights and got too heavy. You can be six feet and 205 with little body fat and be considered "overweight" by military standards.
Cheers!

(03-09-2017 08:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:33 PM)panama Wrote:  Navy football...


...against texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State...

...sure

Kansas does it.

Cheers!

And Kansas has the comfort of knowing there will only be a few more months until basketball season.

Navy will just be getting demolished for no reason.

(03-10-2017 05:50 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:33 PM)panama Wrote:  Navy football...


...against texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State...

...sure

Kansas does it.

Cheers!

And Kansas has the comfort of knowing there will only be a few more months until basketball season.

Navy will just be getting demolished for no reason.

"Demolished"

That's ^^^ hilarious... Navy could easily adjust... Can we say the same of the big12-2 versus Navy's offense?!? Yikes

Well that's bogus. David Robinson didn't meet any height requirement.

Frankly, it'd be better for Army and Navy to recruit top talent and give all the players exemptions as far as service goes.

(03-10-2017 07:33 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well that's bogus. David Robinson didn't meet any height requirement.

Frankly, it'd be better for Army and Navy to recruit top talent and give all the players exemptions as far as service goes.

They waived the height requirement for Robinson. The Navy had places where he could serve regardless of height. Cockpits and Subs are not two of them.

(03-09-2017 09:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I went back and looked at the schools who "auditioned" for the Big 12 last summer. The list is long and included Air Force. Why wouldn't Navy consider the Big 12? If the Big 12 went East with expansion because of West Virginia, Navy makes sense, especially if Cincinnati was included. Thoughts?
Cheers!

A few years back the commandants of the service academies decided not to pursue P conference associations. The reasoning is the weight and height restrictions that midshipmen and cadets are placed under. While there have been some exceptions made for athletes their average offensive and defensive line is outweighed by almost 80 lbs. a man when facing the average P school. Injuries, many career ending (and we are talking about military career ending) happen because of the weekly pounding that their linemen take against such size disadvantages.

Obviously the cadets and middies are not afraid of anybody. But add the bowl season extending into January which also screws up the calendars of these academies and it presents some fairly good reasons for not pursuing the P association.

So in the interest of keeping the mission focus of the school to turn out our nation's career military officers, and to promote health and physical fitness the limitation of competition against such mismatches on the line is indicated.

At the time of the last Big 12 search Air Force expressed some passing interest in the Big 12. I'm sure they were rethinking their stance and probably collecting data on the valuation of Falcon football, or they might have been gathering information to compare revenue vs G5 revenue (which is where they most likely will wind up). But when T.C.U. and W.V.U. joined Air Force indicated that they weren't interested.

Needless to say, I'm sure the P conferences would make a place for them if they decided they wanted in, and if they don't they will add to the allure of the G5.

So either way they will be fine.

The ACC folks talk about Navy from time to time. I'm sure Army would find no obstacles either. But for now it looks like they will intentionally stay out.

Oh I know all about the height and weight requirements. I had to be taped several times when I was pumping weights and got too heavy. You can be six feet and 205 with little body fat and be considered "overweight" by military standards.
Cheers!

Six feet tall and only 205 lbs. and you were overweight? By today's standard you would be prime. Hell, when I graduated high school and played lacrosse & swam; I was 6'3" and a whopping 165 lbs. (but that was 37 years ago & I was a Division III athlete).

(03-10-2017 07:07 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 05:50 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:33 PM)panama Wrote:  Navy football...


...against texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State...

...sure

Kansas does it.

Cheers!

And Kansas has the comfort of knowing there will only be a few more months until basketball season.

Navy will just be getting demolished for no reason.

"Demolished"

That's ^^^ hilarious... Navy could easily adjust... Can we say the same of the big12-2 versus Navy's offense?!? Yikes

Navy would demolish Kansas regularly if they were in the same conference.
Cheers!

(03-10-2017 08:38 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 09:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I went back and looked at the schools who "auditioned" for the Big 12 last summer. The list is long and included Air Force. Why wouldn't Navy consider the Big 12? If the Big 12 went East with expansion because of West Virginia, Navy makes sense, especially if Cincinnati was included. Thoughts?
Cheers!

A few years back the commandants of the service academies decided not to pursue P conference associations. The reasoning is the weight and height restrictions that midshipmen and cadets are placed under. While there have been some exceptions made for athletes their average offensive and defensive line is outweighed by almost 80 lbs. a man when facing the average P school. Injuries, many career ending (and we are talking about military career ending) happen because of the weekly pounding that their linemen take against such size disadvantages.

Obviously the cadets and middies are not afraid of anybody. But add the bowl season extending into January which also screws up the calendars of these academies and it presents some fairly good reasons for not pursuing the P association.

So in the interest of keeping the mission focus of the school to turn out our nation's career military officers, and to promote health and physical fitness the limitation of competition against such mismatches on the line is indicated.

At the time of the last Big 12 search Air Force expressed some passing interest in the Big 12. I'm sure they were rethinking their stance and probably collecting data on the valuation of Falcon football, or they might have been gathering information to compare revenue vs G5 revenue (which is where they most likely will wind up). But when T.C.U. and W.V.U. joined Air Force indicated that they weren't interested.

Needless to say, I'm sure the P conferences would make a place for them if they decided they wanted in, and if they don't they will add to the allure of the G5.

So either way they will be fine.

The ACC folks talk about Navy from time to time. I'm sure Army would find no obstacles either. But for now it looks like they will intentionally stay out.

Oh I know all about the height and weight requirements. I had to be taped several times when I was pumping weights and got too heavy. You can be six feet and 205 with little body fat and be considered "overweight" by military standards.
Cheers!

Six feet tall and only 205 lbs. and you were overweight? By today's standard you would be prime. Hell, when I graduated high school and played lacrosse & swam; I was 6'3" and a whopping 165 lbs. (but that was 37 years ago & I was a Division III athlete).

Hahahaha, you were a scarecrow compared to Mike Tyson. 5-11, 220 lbs...
For me It could have been 201, but my point was the H&W standards are ridiculous. I've heard they are going to be easing up on those standards in the future for Army, Navy and Air Force athletics and I'm glad. That's only fair IMHO.

Cheers!

(03-10-2017 08:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 08:38 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 09:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I went back and looked at the schools who "auditioned" for the Big 12 last summer. The list is long and included Air Force. Why wouldn't Navy consider the Big 12? If the Big 12 went East with expansion because of West Virginia, Navy makes sense, especially if Cincinnati was included. Thoughts?
Cheers!

A few years back the commandants of the service academies decided not to pursue P conference associations. The reasoning is the weight and height restrictions that midshipmen and cadets are placed under. While there have been some exceptions made for athletes their average offensive and defensive line is outweighed by almost 80 lbs. a man when facing the average P school. Injuries, many career ending (and we are talking about military career ending) happen because of the weekly pounding that their linemen take against such size disadvantages.

Obviously the cadets and middies are not afraid of anybody. But add the bowl season extending into January which also screws up the calendars of these academies and it presents some fairly good reasons for not pursuing the P association.

So in the interest of keeping the mission focus of the school to turn out our nation's career military officers, and to promote health and physical fitness the limitation of competition against such mismatches on the line is indicated.

At the time of the last Big 12 search Air Force expressed some passing interest in the Big 12. I'm sure they were rethinking their stance and probably collecting data on the valuation of Falcon football, or they might have been gathering information to compare revenue vs G5 revenue (which is where they most likely will wind up). But when T.C.U. and W.V.U. joined Air Force indicated that they weren't interested.

Needless to say, I'm sure the P conferences would make a place for them if they decided they wanted in, and if they don't they will add to the allure of the G5.

So either way they will be fine.

The ACC folks talk about Navy from time to time. I'm sure Army would find no obstacles either. But for now it looks like they will intentionally stay out.

Oh I know all about the height and weight requirements. I had to be taped several times when I was pumping weights and got too heavy. You can be six feet and 205 with little body fat and be considered "overweight" by military standards.
Cheers!

Six feet tall and only 205 lbs. and you were overweight? By today's standard you would be prime. Hell, when I graduated high school and played lacrosse & swam; I was 6'3" and a whopping 165 lbs. (but that was 37 years ago & I was a Division III athlete).

Hahahaha, you were a scarecrow compared to Mike Tyson. 5-11, 220 lbs...
For me It could have been 201, but my point was the H&W standards are ridiculous. I've heard they are going to be easing up on those standards in the future for Army, Navy and Air Force athletics and I'm glad. That's only fair IMHO.

Cheers!

And that may be the surest tell of their intentions to go ahead and make the bump up to P4. I've also heard they were debating special deferments or releases for athletes. If they move down that road the eventual P4 will likely be comprised of 72 members. (Air Force, Army, Brigham Young, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Navy, and one more maybe from the West, or maybe Houston) plus the present 65, IMO.

(03-10-2017 08:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 08:38 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 09:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I went back and looked at the schools who "auditioned" for the Big 12 last summer. The list is long and included Air Force. Why wouldn't Navy consider the Big 12? If the Big 12 went East with expansion because of West Virginia, Navy makes sense, especially if Cincinnati was included. Thoughts?
Cheers!

A few years back the commandants of the service academies decided not to pursue P conference associations. The reasoning is the weight and height restrictions that midshipmen and cadets are placed under. While there have been some exceptions made for athletes their average offensive and defensive line is outweighed by almost 80 lbs. a man when facing the average P school. Injuries, many career ending (and we are talking about military career ending) happen because of the weekly pounding that their linemen take against such size disadvantages.

Obviously the cadets and middies are not afraid of anybody. But add the bowl season extending into January which also screws up the calendars of these academies and it presents some fairly good reasons for not pursuing the P association.

So in the interest of keeping the mission focus of the school to turn out our nation's career military officers, and to promote health and physical fitness the limitation of competition against such mismatches on the line is indicated.

At the time of the last Big 12 search Air Force expressed some passing interest in the Big 12. I'm sure they were rethinking their stance and probably collecting data on the valuation of Falcon football, or they might have been gathering information to compare revenue vs G5 revenue (which is where they most likely will wind up). But when T.C.U. and W.V.U. joined Air Force indicated that they weren't interested.

Needless to say, I'm sure the P conferences would make a place for them if they decided they wanted in, and if they don't they will add to the allure of the G5.

So either way they will be fine.

The ACC folks talk about Navy from time to time. I'm sure Army would find no obstacles either. But for now it looks like they will intentionally stay out.

Oh I know all about the height and weight requirements. I had to be taped several times when I was pumping weights and got too heavy. You can be six feet and 205 with little body fat and be considered "overweight" by military standards.
Cheers!

Six feet tall and only 205 lbs. and you were overweight? By today's standard you would be prime. Hell, when I graduated high school and played lacrosse & swam; I was 6'3" and a whopping 165 lbs. (but that was 37 years ago & I was a Division III athlete).

Hahahaha, you were a scarecrow compared to Mike Tyson. 5-11, 220 lbs...
For me It could have been 201, but my point was the H&W standards are ridiculous. I've heard they are going to be easing up on those standards in the future for Army, Navy and Air Force athletics and I'm glad. That's only fair IMHO.

Cheers!

I definitely understood your point. But it sounds really strange that you could be that fit and still be overweight. I was definitely a string bean, and Mike Tyson would've scared the hell out of me! I do agree that the height and weight standards need to be changed to a degree. And I also agree with JR, that if changes can't be made there does seem excessive risk to academy athletes.

(03-10-2017 11:03 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 08:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 08:38 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 09:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 08:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  A few years back the commandants of the service academies decided not to pursue P conference associations. The reasoning is the weight and height restrictions that midshipmen and cadets are placed under. While there have been some exceptions made for athletes their average offensive and defensive line is outweighed by almost 80 lbs. a man when facing the average P school. Injuries, many career ending (and we are talking about military career ending) happen because of the weekly pounding that their linemen take against such size disadvantages.

Obviously the cadets and middies are not afraid of anybody. But add the bowl season extending into January which also screws up the calendars of these academies and it presents some fairly good reasons for not pursuing the P association.

So in the interest of keeping the mission focus of the school to turn out our nation's career military officers, and to promote health and physical fitness the limitation of competition against such mismatches on the line is indicated.

At the time of the last Big 12 search Air Force expressed some passing interest in the Big 12. I'm sure they were rethinking their stance and probably collecting data on the valuation of Falcon football, or they might have been gathering information to compare revenue vs G5 revenue (which is where they most likely will wind up). But when T.C.U. and W.V.U. joined Air Force indicated that they weren't interested.

Needless to say, I'm sure the P conferences would make a place for them if they decided they wanted in, and if they don't they will add to the allure of the G5.

So either way they will be fine.

The ACC folks talk about Navy from time to time. I'm sure Army would find no obstacles either. But for now it looks like they will intentionally stay out.

Oh I know all about the height and weight requirements. I had to be taped several times when I was pumping weights and got too heavy. You can be six feet and 205 with little body fat and be considered "overweight" by military standards.
Cheers!

Six feet tall and only 205 lbs. and you were overweight? By today's standard you would be prime. Hell, when I graduated high school and played lacrosse & swam; I was 6'3" and a whopping 165 lbs. (but that was 37 years ago & I was a Division III athlete).

Hahahaha, you were a scarecrow compared to Mike Tyson. 5-11, 220 lbs...
For me It could have been 201, but my point was the H&W standards are ridiculous. I've heard they are going to be easing up on those standards in the future for Army, Navy and Air Force athletics and I'm glad. That's only fair IMHO.

Cheers!

I definitely understood your point. But it sounds really strange that you could be that fit and still be overweight. I was definitely a string bean, and Mike Tyson would've scared the hell out of me! I do agree that the height and weight standards need to be changed to a degree. And I also agree with JR, that if changes can't be made there does seem excessive risk to academy athletes.

Ok, I wasn't Mike Tyson fit. But I wasn't a fat boy either. 6'0 200 lbs isn't fat. There were guys who were Mike Tyson looking build wise. The military really builds your legs up. You put on a lot of lower body weight from all the ruck sack marches. And as you can imagine, a lot of soldiers are really into lifting weights. Muscle weighs more than fat. I've seen "fat" skinny guys and big boned guys who don't look overweight, but the scales say they are. That's why they tape guys who go over the H&W standards.
Cheers!

After last year's debacle, is anyone interested in joining the Big 12? It'd be like giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a week-old corpse.