(03-09-2017 01:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I think he said we will ease sanctions, let some territorial ambitions grow, and maybe even abandon NATO for the DNC hacks. Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. That's where this ends.

OK, so say he did promise that?

1. How did that win him the Election in the USA?
2. What should the American people do about it?

Well that would be watergate if he knew the Russians or asked the Russians to hack the DNC.

(03-09-2017 01:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 01:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I think he said we will ease sanctions, let some territorial ambitions grow, and maybe even abandon NATO for the DNC hacks. Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. That's where this ends.

OK, so say he did promise that?

1. How did that win him the Election in the USA?
2. What should the American people do about it?

I'm not Mach but I've read enough of his stuff lately to have an idea. I have a chart that should explain it....

(03-09-2017 02:02 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Well that would be watergate if he knew the Russians or asked the Russians to hack the DNC.

OK, fair enough. The Russians hacked the DNC on behalf of Trump.

What happens next. What is the end game?

(03-09-2017 09:21 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  If this situation were reversed there would be ALL HELL TO PAY. Look what you guys were able to do with Benghazi! You guys can take a fraction of the stuff and make mountains. Absolute Himalayas out of mole hills. You guys would be making so much political hay if Hillary's crew were knee deep into Putin like the Trump campaign was. It really pisses me off. You guys play the political game soooooo much better than the D's. and before you mention 4 dead Americans. I haven't heard a peep about the dead Navy Seal on the bungled Seal raid. So there is a hypocritical element to all of this too. Trump lied in the SOTU about the SEAL raid too.


The Republican party is just evil. D's stupid. The evil party vs. the stupid party. We want to try and get along. The GOP plays for keep and they will slit throats to get a tax cut. It's unbelievable what the party gets away with and it's unbelievable how easily evidence is dismissed by the GOP supporters.


Donald Trump plays fast and loose with facts. Lied about the Navy Seal Raid. A Seal died and he accepts no blame and deflects all criticism. A Republican is very rarely held accountable for their actions. Trump. He's the Teflon Don. Nothing sticks. No lie is too great. No falsehood can not be swallowed. I don't get how you guys get away with it.

Oh, goody. The "Rooskies" thread of the day.

Two quick points which I'm sure are covered below, but I'll just post now then read the fun.

A. Cannot make an equivalency about an active duty Military casualty during a military action to 4 civilians denied security repeatedly in a freaking neighborhood of terrorists.

2. Benghazi wasn't made up of whole cloth like this Russian Boogeyman has been. The Russian "Connection" to Trump campaign has been looked into and came up with exactly 0.

Squat.

Your gal lost, she was a terrible candidate, ran a crappy low energy, uninterested and uninteresting campaign and thought she'd just coast to the W. I mean, come on! No way we can lose to Trump! Just watch Bill Maher and they'll tell you that!

That and she was crooked as they come, folks could see right through that "Like with a cloth?!?" garbage.

I'd humbly recommend you move on, for your own mental and physical health... Moveon.ORG!!!

(03-09-2017 10:19 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I'll tell you what bothers me about the Russian stuff:

This 20 year old:



Turns into this at age 35:



I, of course, blame Putin and Trump for this!

And blame the cheap bathtub potato vodka too!

(03-09-2017 10:50 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I guess I want to better understand what liberals want to happen here. What should take place if some smoking gun is found? Please be specific.

I guess hoping all those electors will finally flip(?).

And no, not more to flip from the cank like they did...

(03-09-2017 12:20 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:42 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You said 1000 investigations. I'm happy with 1 from the house and 1 from he seanate where these guys put people under subpoena.

and when we find out that an international businessman did business... wait for it..... INTERNATIONALLY including in Russia!!! OMG!!!! What then? Is he no longer fit for office? If that's the case how could Hillary have possibly been fit for office with the CF and Bill Clinton's dealings with foreign governments over the years. The chance of finding anything specific enough of getting Trump in trouble has to be minuscule at best.


I find it hilarious how much the democrats have gone all-in on this Russia BS. I mean, wasn't is just about 5 years ago y'alls main squeeze dismissed the notion of Russia being any sort of geopolitical foe of the US? Didn't your heir apparent herself slap a stupid Staples easy button about 6 or 7 years ago with the Russians? How'd that work out for you.

Putin has trolled the democrats hard since that stupid 'Russian Reset" and y'all are too damned dumb to realize it. Bombers off the west coast, weapon sales to Iran, backing Assad, snatching up Crimea, posturing along the Baltic border to rile up NATO, buying uranium reserves, laughing at Obama when he kicked out Russian diplomats.

Barry's little comment no doubt irked Putin. The last 6 years or so of Russian foreign policy has been a big middle finger to Obama and the democrats. I don't trust Russia one bit, but I'd rather have an administration that's cordial and respectful than adversarial.

This.

As well as zerO and his mom-jean wearing self effectively opening the door to the entire world wiiiiide open for Putin to stroll on through and basically do whatever he wanted. Putin knew he had a weak-kneed lackey in the office and that he wouldn't do a damn thing in response to any of his actions, and that's been borne out, repeatedly.

(03-09-2017 01:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I think he said we will ease sanctions, let some territorial ambitions grow, and maybe even abandon NATO for the DNC hacks. Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. That's where this ends.

Uhhhh, there were no sanctions when the DNC handed out their passwords? Those came in response to this supposed "meddling".

Nice try though!

My problems with this conspiracy theory:
1) it is almost impossible that Trump is some kind of groomed russian candidate as asserted by the Steele dossier. He was a extreme outlier in both the primaries and main race. He was highly unpolished and would've been one of the worst bets pre-primary.
2) trump would have to be psychic to know that the DNC servers contained dirt on Hillary which if hacked would be of such value to cost her the election.
3) it assumes that Trump would reach out to Russia first rather than hiring any US or foreign hacker to surreptitiously hack the DNC. Why would he need to turn to Russia to do that? Versus hiring an individual.
4) wikileaks says it was a leak by a bernie supporter an not a hack.
5) there is not evidence that supports the conclusion that Russia hacked the election or DNC.
6) despite months of every MSM outlet and DNC operative searching for evidence, nothing of evidentiary value has come out to prove that Trump collaborated with Russia.
At worst there are some contacts between some russian officials and Trump associates. That does not prove anything in and of itself.

I was contacted by GM today, don't mean I'm going to work for them.