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RE: Boeheim being Boeheim.....then gets owned by Greensboro
(03-11-2017 03:14 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 03:07 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 02:53 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 02:48 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 11:18 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  I'm arguing w/ a poster who appears to be convinced that the Carolinas are on the same footing as NY in basketball and that Greensboro = NYC. That's like me saying "Syracuse = Greenville (SC) area in football." I wish it was true, but it just isn't.

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i never said Greensboro = NYC. you are debating a strawman. NYC is obviously much larger metro and will have more recruits. my point is teams don't need to land recruits from NYC to be good and also that there aren't that many great players from NYC. My other point is that simply playing games in NYC does not mean teams will land recruits from NYC, and the ACC doesn't need to play games in NYC to have exposure.

you can't refute any of these arguments

you come across as one of these brash New Yorkers who think the whole world revolves around NYC. get over yourself. if northeast basketball is so great then why did those former BIg East teams leave to join a bunch of universities in the south. lol

Perspective: I grew up in Nashville rooting for Vandy.

If you world view has led you to believe that I don't care or know about southern basketball, I can assure you that your analysis is flawed. Believe me or not, I strongly urge you to consider the possibility that you don't know everything that you don't know.

Like I said in an earlier post, I'm not going to argue on this thread any more (other than posting things that I find light-hearted and humorous and/or general statements like this). It's too hostile as is.

i don't care if you don't like care or know about southern basketball, you make wild inferences. i don't care about you at all.

i suggest you consider the fact you don't know what you don't know. you seem to like talking down to people. i dn't see evidence that you know more than I do.

Yup. You're right. Facts and logical arguments be darned.

Small North Carolina towns are exactly equally passionate about basketball as NYC. Greensboro is a huge city. And the tournament should be held in NC every year because, despite the fact that the BET has widely been regarded as a distant best tourney in the land for quite some time, North Carolina is a better place to hold a tourney. The 4! major conference's who hold tourneys in NYC either this year or next are making a mistake because they don't know something that you do. The ACC tourney has always been great and has never been widely regarded as close to an unmitigated snooze fest. The people sleeping at the games were wrong.

High quality recruits don't overwhelmingly live in the city, despite substantial evidence to the contrary. Those recruits apparently live in southern farms and have no desire to play in front of their families. MSG is called the Mecca of Basketball for the heck of it. And I'm one of those southern-hating native Nashvillians who has a blinding NYC bias.

Lastly NYC is not a media hotbed, and reporters don't watch the local news. But nobody has heard of NYC, so there is absolutely no fun in owning a town that has some name cache.

You win. I don't know what I don't know. I'm just some dumb*ss mouthing off because my feeling were hurt when someone told me the truth. The same goes for everyone else who actually lives there and/or has lived there. You know more than we do.

I give. Happy?

ok i'm still waiting for you to list all the great players out of NYC over the years. why don't UNC and Duke have NYC players on their roster.

you don't respond to my arguments.

i've never said nobody has heard of NYC. why say something so silly?

i never said Gboro is a 'huge' city but is in the largest city in a large MSA. i haven't been focused on Gboro in my comments, I've been disagreeing that playing games in NYC helps ACC schools recruit vs playing games in the south.

if playing games in NYC is a bfd for recruits, how is a school in the south going to land them over colleges closer to NYC. that makes no sense.
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I told you that you win. NYC has produced zero quality recruits, ever. NC is the only state to produce any quality recruits. The heat map of NBA talent is a lie orchestrated by Jimmy B and the SR admin staff at various northeastern schools. It's all a random far-reaching conspiracy to screw the Carolinas out of their rightful place on the college basketball Heiarchy.

And your comment about Greensboro being in a big MCA didn't mean that they were in a big MCA. Point taken.

You win.
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(03-11-2017 02:08 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 01:11 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  saying MSG is the 'mecca of basketball' is an opinion , not a fact. you obviously are a NYC superfan.

the big stage is television against ranked teams. as i've pointed out, i believe Greensboro probably has bigger crowds than the crowd in NYC this week.

You're right, it is an opinion. One that is widely shared and spoken to by the basketball media and community in general. It is sort of the basketball equivalent to Carnegie Hall, at least for kids in the northeast. Regardless of the sport, Madison Square Garden is up there with Yankee Stadium, Fenway, Wrigley, Lambeau, Wembley, the Rose Bowl, and Churchill Downs. It's pretty fair to say that its tagline is correct, it is "the world's most famous arena."

The only other facility that might come close in college basketball might be the Palestra, which I think is actually more synonymous with college basketball history than MSG, but it is smaller and a less generally prominent facility overall. After that, you start getting more single team on-campus facilities like Cameron, Hinkle, Rupp, Allen, and Pauley.

I hope Greensboro had bigger crowds. It seats 5,700+ more than Barclays. I'm assuming tickets are sold out at any location except for the Tuesday opening round games. Barclays did apparently have a crowd last night that was several hundred over capacity. It appears to be doing well despite the three northeastern teams all sucking and exiting early.

I saw a report that about half the crowd at the first game last night didn't stay for the FSU-ND game and that most of the media didn't bother to go to the post game news conference.
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I have the solution. Let's rotate the tournament between Jamaica, the Cayman Islands and the Bahamas. No team has a location advantage but all the players and fans get to go to a great destination! Recruits would love it. AAA could offer some great travel packages and we could all enjoy the warm weather, fruity drinks and wonderful entertainment. We wouldn't even need to attend the games, just watch big screens from the pool bars!
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(03-11-2017 05:24 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I have the solution. Let's rotate the tournament between Jamaica, the Cayman Islands and the Bahamas. No team has a location advantage but all the players and fans get to go to a great destination! Recruits would love it. AAA could offer some great travel packages and we could all enjoy the warm weather, fruity drinks and wonderful entertainment. We wouldn't even need to attend the games, just watch big screens from the pool bars!

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you are the first person that i've seen in my life claim there isn't much enthusiasm for college bball in NC, and somehow NYC has more enthusiasm for college ball even though there isn't any good college bball in the metro. you must live under a rock.

Again, why aren't there any good basketball programs in the NY area if it is such hotbed for recruiting? This observation nukes your assertion. WHy are UNC and DUke rosters full of people from the south, and no NYC players? You don't ever respond to these points. if we go by their rosters, it makes sense for ACC to have tourney in the south if tournament location is good for recruiting.
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(03-11-2017 06:08 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 04:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

you are the first person that i've seen in my life claim there isn't much enthusiasm for college bball in NC, and somehow NYC has more enthusiasm for college ball even though there isn't any good college bball in the metro. you must live under a rock.

Again, why aren't there any good basketball programs in the NY area if it is such hotbed for recruiting? This observation nukes your assertion. WHy are UNC and DUke rosters full of people from the south, and no NYC players? You don't ever respond to these points. if we go by their rosters, it makes sense for ACC to have tourney in the south if tournament location is good for recruiting.
I'm agreeing w/ you. There hasn't been a multigenerational river of talent and titles flowing from NYC.

History never happened.

http://aetn-uk-history.s3.amazonaws.com/...k=dK3Gs6hj

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ok, i'm still waiting for you to list all the NYC players that have won college titles or explain why teams like DUke and UNC don't have NYC players on their rosters.

in other words, actually back up something you say.
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