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(03-15-2017 08:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Valpo will drop off but Wright St will swipe their spot. Wright St finally has a good coach to package with their really good facilities.

Wright State has been hemorrhaging 20% of it's 2013 endowment each of the past three years between enrollment decline and extreme corruption by the Board of Trustees, and has made so many cuts that about the only thing left to cut is athletics. I really think that they're the next Chicago State waiting to happen.
03-17-2017 08:04 AM
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(03-17-2017 06:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2017 08:32 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  Northern Kentucky wins the 2017 Horizon League Tournament, proving that Commissioner Jon LeCrone and Executive Board made a great invite! After winning just 9 games in their inaugural season in the HL, NKU comes back and wins 24 games! There were some fans who thought it was a bad move ...

Not sure one good season in the conference validates the invite as a good move. Jury is still out. 07-coffee3

Naw, already been adjudicated. NKU was a D2 power, so they knew what it took to win and NKU did the D1 transition the correct way. They hired a good AD for the move, who in turn hired a good coach. Although Coach Brannen and the Norse won only 9 games last season, you could see the coaching style and culture the coach created. It was just a matter of him getting his type of player for his system. He went out and signed multiple 3-star players and has a couple 3-stars for the upcoming season. That bodes well for sustainability (unless high-majors come sniffing around).
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RE: Northern Kentucky was correct invite after all!
(03-17-2017 06:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2017 08:32 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  Northern Kentucky wins the 2017 Horizon League Tournament, proving that Commissioner Jon LeCrone and Executive Board made a great invite! After winning just 9 games in their inaugural season in the HL, NKU comes back and wins 24 games! There were some fans who thought it was a bad move ...

Not sure one good season in the conference validates the invite as a good move. Jury is still out. 07-coffee3

I think the infrastructure might indicate there is some investment in the overall programming.

Yeah, some programs do a little or enough to warrant consideration, get to somewhere they'd rather be, and then take up space. NKU seemed to lock onto Horizon and did what it must to get there. It's a public school in a good basketball region...it definitely fits with the conference. I think it's more...is the Horizon all that much to talk about anymore?

There are a couple of programs out there I'm watching as potential climbers. NKU and FGCU stick out in the east. I wonder if UC-Davis outgrows Big West.
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I'm not sure where NKU and FGCU could go without football. The Atlantic 10 doesn't need to get any bigger. I also couldn't see the Atlantic 10 dipping down into Florida unless if someone else in that part of the country (i.e. Jacksonville, Mercer, Winthrop) starts performing on a similar basis.
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(03-17-2017 03:04 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 06:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2017 08:32 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  Northern Kentucky wins the 2017 Horizon League Tournament, proving that Commissioner Jon LeCrone and Executive Board made a great invite! After winning just 9 games in their inaugural season in the HL, NKU comes back and wins 24 games! There were some fans who thought it was a bad move ...

Not sure one good season in the conference validates the invite as a good move. Jury is still out. 07-coffee3

I think the infrastructure might indicate there is some investment in the overall programming.

Yeah, some programs do a little or enough to warrant consideration, get to somewhere they'd rather be, and then take up space. NKU seemed to lock onto Horizon and did what it must to get there. It's a public school in a good basketball region...it definitely fits with the conference. I think it's more...is the Horizon all that much to talk about anymore?

There are a couple of programs out there I'm watching as potential climbers. NKU and FGCU stick out in the east. I wonder if UC-Davis outgrows Big West.

UC-Davis has no other options. The only other options in the West are the WCC, MWC, or PAC. WCC is all private schools, while MWC and PAC both require football.
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(03-15-2017 08:29 PM)insomniaisevil Wrote:  There are a lot of teams that seem on the way up and not the way down. Youngstown State has talent returning, so does Wright State and Oakland and UIC, just to name a few...not to mention that NKU only loses one key contributor.

The current NCAA tournament environment is extremely antagonistic towards mid-majors, but the Horizon definitely has the potential to be a mutli-bid league next year.

Oakland, NKU and UIC will be considerably better. Valpo and Green Bay won't fall off that much. Even a good chunk of the bottom of the conference won't be big-time RPI killers, Detroit & Youngstown should be considerably better too. Milwaukee can build off their late season run to the Championship game, 2nd year with a new coach. Only Wright State and Cleveland State am I down on - Wright has considerable structural head-winds, and CSU needs to re-build with a new coach.
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(03-17-2017 05:17 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  UC-Davis has no other options.

It's only true option would be to upgrade to FBS football and try, one day, for a MWC invite. Just don't know if that's in the cards, given both UC and California bureaucracies potentially holding it down at the behest of the schools already at the top.
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(03-17-2017 05:39 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-15-2017 08:29 PM)insomniaisevil Wrote:  There are a lot of teams that seem on the way up and not the way down. Youngstown State has talent returning, so does Wright State and Oakland and UIC, just to name a few...not to mention that NKU only loses one key contributor.

The current NCAA tournament environment is extremely antagonistic towards mid-majors, but the Horizon definitely has the potential to be a mutli-bid league next year.

Oakland, NKU and UIC will be considerably better. Valpo and Green Bay won't fall off that much. Even a good chunk of the bottom of the conference won't be big-time RPI killers, Detroit & Youngstown should be considerably better too. Milwaukee can build off their late season run to the Championship game, 2nd year with a new coach. Only Wright State and Cleveland State am I down on - Wright has considerable structural head-winds, and CSU needs to re-build with a new coach.

"But the Horizon definitely has the potential to be a multi-bid league next year."--I'll take that bet. 1 bid league next year. The odds are that it will be a 1 bid league every year for the next several decades.
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(03-17-2017 09:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  "But the Horizon definitely has the potential to be a multi-bid league next year."--I'll take that bet. 1 bid league next year. The odds are that it will be a 1 bid league every year for the next several decades.
Cheers!

Actually, the upcoming season will be the best shot in a long while for the HL to be a multi-bid league. Northern Kentucky only loses Cole Murray; UIC brings back EVERYBODY plus HL Freshman of the Year Dikembe Dixson; Valpo has a couple of D1 transfers plus the improvement of big men Smits and Sorolla. Oakland in all likelihood will be the Horizon League preseason favorite with a chance to Dance. Getting the league to become a multi-bid will depend on two things this upcoming season: Health and improvement of each team and the OOC schedule. Each team obviously needs to improve the schedule and the winning percentage of those games. Oakland has already upgraded for '17-'18. And don't sleep on Wright State.

As a matter of fact, I just might take you up on that bet!!!
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(03-17-2017 08:04 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  
(03-15-2017 08:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Valpo will drop off but Wright St will swipe their spot. Wright St finally has a good coach to package with their really good facilities.

Wright State has been hemorrhaging 20% of it's 2013 endowment each of the past three years between enrollment decline and extreme corruption by the Board of Trustees, and has made so many cuts that about the only thing left to cut is athletics. I really think that they're the next Chicago State waiting to happen.

Wright St is taking money out of its endowment to fund athletics?
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