(03-09-2017 01:03 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  The opportunity cost has been substantial

Care to enlighten us with specific numbers? They don't even have to be real numbers. You can make them up.

(03-09-2017 01:03 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  The opportunity cost has been substantial

What is that number?

(03-09-2017 01:06 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 01:03 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  The opportunity cost has been substantial

What is that number?

these have been provided on many threads before - just like in a housing market you use comps. Look at the immediate increased donor funding for App State, ODU, Coastal as the announcements were made and into 5+ years of FBS. Add all of those incremental increases together and there you have your opp cost.

So we've lost out on a potential 17.856 Trillion dollars? Damn man. That sucks.

(03-09-2017 01:08 PM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 01:06 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 01:03 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  The opportunity cost has been substantial

What is that number?

these have been provided on many threads before - just like in a housing market you use comps. Look at the immediate increased donor funding for App State, ODU, Coastal as the announcements were made and into 5+ years of FBS. Add all of those incremental increases together and there you have your opp cost.

I wonder what those schools are doing with all the extra money they have.

DUKE MAN 2 YEAH

(03-09-2017 01:11 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 01:08 PM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 01:06 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 01:03 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  The opportunity cost has been substantial

What is that number?

these have been provided on many threads before - just like in a housing market you use comps. Look at the immediate increased donor funding for App State, ODU, Coastal as the announcements were made and into 5+ years of FBS. Add all of those incremental increases together and there you have your opp cost.

I wonder what those schools are doing with all the extra money they have.

They raise more, but it costs more. The net sum is what matters. None of these schools are doing better financially, most are doing worse.

The question is, are they getting more intrinsic return at the FBS football level for that net investment?

Here is a question, which MAC, Sunbelt, CUSA school had a better return on their net investment in football this year than JMU? Hint, it is a short list.

I will give you the first and maybe only answer, Western Michigan

(03-09-2017 11:35 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  hahah ^ so true...

the point is that we need a stepping stone for a few years. period. FCS call-ups won't jump a level...gotta be FBS first for anyone outside of MAC,CUSA, SB to consider us. Why is this confusing?

there is even a chance that IF there is a total re-org...and we are still FCS...that we may *not* receive an invite...what then?

I'd say there is way more than a "chance" of this. I'd say it's likely. Why would conferences want to share a totally diminished TV deal with an FCS call up? I'd say CUSA and SBC could neatly and easily reorganize amongst themselves without any need for another mouth to feed.

We run a big risk by remaining FCS and watching from the sideline while this works itself out. We don't have a seat at the table and therefore are not in a position to advocate or protect our own interests. Do we think ODU is going to do it for us?

All that said, I think this discussion is pretty much moot. After we won the championship, Bourne said he thinks the G5 is irrelevant and he wants JMU to stay relevant.

Paradoxically, I think winning FCS this year put us further away from FBS - not closer - in the minds of the Administration.

(03-09-2017 01:25 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:35 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  hahah ^ so true...

the point is that we need a stepping stone for a few years. period. FCS call-ups won't jump a level...gotta be FBS first for anyone outside of MAC,CUSA, SB to consider us. Why is this confusing?

there is even a chance that IF there is a total re-org...and we are still FCS...that we may *not* receive an invite...what then?

I'd say there is way more than a "chance" of this. I'd say it's likely. Why would conferences want to share a totally diminished TV deal with an FCS call up? I'd say CUSA and SBC could neatly and easily reorganize amongst themselves without any need for another mouth to feed.

We run a big risk by remaining FCS and watching from the sideline while this works itself out. We don't have a seat at the table and therefore are not in a position to advocate or protect our own interests. Do we think ODU is going to do it for us?

All that said, I think this discussion is pretty much moot. After we won the championship, Bourne said he thinks the G5 is irrelevant and he wants JMU to stay relevant.

Paradoxically, I think winning FCS this year put us further away from FBS - not closer - in the minds of the Administration.

Just as game day did the year before.

agreed...they see evidence of "national" and it's easy for them to pretend FBS isn't the real "national" (along with Carnegie...)

Wendy's has no site location team...they just follow McDonalds.

Plenty of examples before us of FCS schools that saw the value and made the jump (no i dont have the stats...but i'd wager that thee are more FCS success stories than fail stories when moving to FBS... surely someone will point out my error if not true..)

(03-09-2017 01:04 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 01:03 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  The opportunity cost has been substantial

Care to enlighten us with specific numbers? They don't even have to be real numbers. You can make them up.

Good luck getting an answer. You have a better chance at getting an answer from a brick wall.

(03-09-2017 01:20 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  They raise more, but it costs more. The net sum is what matters. None of these schools are doing better financially, most are doing worse.

Care to provide a source?

(03-09-2017 01:25 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:35 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  hahah ^ so true...

the point is that we need a stepping stone for a few years. period. FCS call-ups won't jump a level...gotta be FBS first for anyone outside of MAC,CUSA, SB to consider us. Why is this confusing?

there is even a chance that IF there is a total re-org...and we are still FCS...that we may *not* receive an invite...what then?

I'd say there is way more than a "chance" of this. I'd say it's likely. Why would conferences want to share a totally diminished TV deal with an FCS call up? I'd say CUSA and SBC could neatly and easily reorganize amongst themselves without any need for another mouth to feed.

...

Unless their long-range plan only looks forward 1 or 2 years, they would see JMU as preferable to to many of the current bottom-dwelling FBS programs, assuming the geography was a fit.

I suppose they could choose to remain loyal to a previous conference member, but that would defeat the whole purpose of reorganizing - to create financially stable, sustainable conference. If any new lower level FBS conference forms (and I don't assume for a second that it will) that includes Harrisonburg in its footprint, JMU would be a welcome addition.

(03-09-2017 12:55 PM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:51 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:24 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 10:15 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 01:17 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  MAC football plays lots of games mid week. Everyone in CUSA wants out. Sunbelt is an academic joke and crazy spread out for all sports other than CFB which flies/weekend travel.

Which league did you want JMU to join that they haven't? JMU's admin may be going the conservative route but I don't see some obvious place they should be at that they aren't because of their "lack of vision or balls".

Why do some folks treat JMU's next step as it's final step? We are not going directly to AAC or whatever pie in the sky conference the admin wants. They just keep kicking the can down the road as the road keeps getting longer.

Many of teams that have dominated FCS (App St, Ga Southern, Marshall) have moved on for a reason.

"conference the admin wants" It doesn't exist.

Sunbelt - nope, academics
MAC - nope, weekday games
CUSA - nope, not regional
Indy - nope, can't schedule
New G5 conf. that does not exist - nope, Liberty would be a member
"Monitor" - yep, we tell alum we have/are managing the situation
"Not if, when" - yep, allows us to lie to the alum and fans about goals

Pretty much covers the options that are both real and imaginary.

Why do I laugh harder at this GIF than I do some of the posts that are funny in their own right?

(03-09-2017 03:22 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 01:25 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:35 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  hahah ^ so true...

the point is that we need a stepping stone for a few years. period. FCS call-ups won't jump a level...gotta be FBS first for anyone outside of MAC,CUSA, SB to consider us. Why is this confusing?

there is even a chance that IF there is a total re-org...and we are still FCS...that we may *not* receive an invite...what then?

I'd say there is way more than a "chance" of this. I'd say it's likely. Why would conferences want to share a totally diminished TV deal with an FCS call up? I'd say CUSA and SBC could neatly and easily reorganize amongst themselves without any need for another mouth to feed.

...

Unless their long-range plan only looks forward 1 or 2 years, they would see JMU as preferable to to many of the current bottom-dwelling FBS programs, assuming the geography was a fit.

I suppose they could choose to remain loyal to a previous conference member, but that would defeat the whole purpose of reorganizing - to create financially stable, sustainable conference. If any new lower level FBS conference forms (and I don't assume for a second that it will) that includes Harrisonburg in its footprint, JMU would be a welcome addition.

I think any agreement toward reorganization amongst conferences (which by the way would need to be approved by conference leadership and member institutions) would necessarily include protections and rights of first refusal for all current members. Nobody who is already in the club is going to support anything that could result in them getting kicked out of the club (unless they want out). These commissioners and member institutions are going to be looking out their own first (and rightly so).

But let's say they do kick a couple bottom feeders to the curb. What benefit is there to a geographically compact, regional conference with a crummy TV deal to add a replacement? Why be any larger than is absolutely necessary? There are 26 football programs amongst CUSA and SBC. If anything I'd argue there's already excess supply in the system.

any existing FBS is in a better position than we are in FCS...even Idaho, NM State, CMU etc...
WE GOTTA GET IN THE GAME

sorry to yell

(03-09-2017 06:44 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  any existing FBS is in a better position than we are in FCS...even Idaho, NM State, CMU etc...

In terms of national relevance, that's not true at all and you just helped prove it. Idaho is moving down to FCS and you weren't aware of it.

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Jeff Bourne strategizing like a chess player and "spending a majority of his hours" debating whether to schedule NEC partial scholarship Central Conn. State or Moorehead State.

(03-09-2017 07:15 PM)MadisonTownie Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 06:44 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  any existing FBS is in a better position than we are in FCS...even Idaho, NM State, CMU etc...

In terms of national relevance, that's not true at all and you just helped prove it. Idaho is moving down to FCS and you weren't aware of it.

I dont' follow..and totally aware :)

Even the last dregs of Idaho being FBS will result in a better schedule than we will ever have in FCS.

I'm not trying to stir the pot and I do feel bad for you guys. I was looking at around found this interesting post on the sea of red website today. Its about 4th down from the top.

Let me just say that I have heard for a fact that behind the scenes JMU is DESPERATE to go FBS and they are really not happy that Liberty was able to move up before them. Their public stance does not match their private advances that they are making towards Conference USA. I had a lot of AD's, SID's and even Refs come up to me last week at the CUSA Hoops tournament talking about Liberty Football and how big that move is. Folks are watching. I could see CUSA inviting Liberty someday especially if UTEP leaves to go to a geographically attractive conference like the WCC.

https://forums.aseaofred.com/forums/view...&start=350