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(03-07-2017 06:16 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  We could always pimp out the football team in order to get a home and home basketball series with a P5 team.

Or did we try that recently?

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(03-07-2017 06:16 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  We could always pimp out the football team in order to get a home and home basketball series with a P5 team.

Or did we try that recently?

As the divide grows between the P5 and G5, it is going to be more and more difficult for us to get good home games in either sport. That being said, we have room for a road game in 2018 which is the only year between now and 2023 that we aren't scheduled to play a B10 team. We need to be considerate of the football schedule though, as we are already poised for a shorter home schedule in 2019.
 
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Basketball needs to offer 2 for 1 in UC advantage to good mid-majors like NKU, Ohio U, Akron, and Wright State while being on the other end of those of the 2 for 1 against whatever traditional powers will offer UC. Have to take some chances and play a couple of neutral site games against some good teams as well. Home and home with Gonzaga, St. Mary's, BYU, New Mexico, SDSU, Boise State, Nevada, and other traditional good western schools can help scheduling as well.

If the American does add Wichita State, Dayton, and VCU that helps the home schedule but UC still has to be willing to down to 16 or 17 home games to improve the schedule.

As of now the schedule should breakdown like this 9 conference home games, 9 conference road games, 3 non-conference home buy games, 4 home games against quality opponents, 6 road/neutral non-conference games against quality opponents. Even better if UC can get a neutral site game in Columbus, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Louisville, or Detroit against a regional power. Take a semi-road game against Michigan State, Kentucky, or Indiana without a return game. Long term playing and winning those games is better for UC than playing home games against sub 150 RPI level teams.
 
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(03-07-2017 02:17 PM)bulldog23 Wrote:  Lsu, Florida, Florida st, tcu, Indiana, Minnesota, mich st, Maryland, pitt, texas, Alabama, Rutgers all would do a 2 for 1. Games don't have be played in consecutive years. Time for mick stop scheduling mid major 2-3yrs after they was hot. Go out on road and expand our brand by beating teams with huge fan bases. OCC top 10 match ups rarely happen in a teams home court, they meet up at neutral site. Get creative Mick and stop whining. We barely sell out our home games, never have decent away crowd, and only been to one sweet 16 under Mick. Why would espn go out their way for us? It's time for us to go out our way. We have $$$ to be kings of college sports if we wanted. Start using it wisely

Florida, Indiana, and Michigan State are the only teams on that list I would CONSIDER doing a 2:1 series with

Florida St, and Maryland are programs with some good history, but I would not consider them blue-bloods that we would need to bend the knee to.

Minnesota, Pitt, and Texas I would consider below us, with the only the benifit of being in a "power" conference.

LSU, and Bama - Both schools combine for FOUR NCAA Tourney appearances in the last 16 years. They are not in our league in terms of basketball. That is just a fact. Doing a 2-1 deal with them would just be downright silly and laughable.

TCU and Rutgers - These programs should be asking UC for a 2 for 1. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? TCU has not been to the dance since 1998. TCU will improve with their coach, but they are nowhere close to our level, and likely wont be. Rutgers has not been to the tourney since 1991. Rutgers spent YEARS in the best basketball conference in the nation and could never build a program. They are complete garbage.
 
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(03-08-2017 10:08 AM)Banter Wrote:  
(03-07-2017 02:17 PM)bulldog23 Wrote:  Lsu, Florida, Florida st, tcu, Indiana, Minnesota, mich st, Maryland, pitt, texas, Alabama, Rutgers all would do a 2 for 1. Games don't have be played in consecutive years. Time for mick stop scheduling mid major 2-3yrs after they was hot. Go out on road and expand our brand by beating teams with huge fan bases. OCC top 10 match ups rarely happen in a teams home court, they meet up at neutral site. Get creative Mick and stop whining. We barely sell out our home games, never have decent away crowd, and only been to one sweet 16 under Mick. Why would espn go out their way for us? It's time for us to go out our way. We have $$$ to be kings of college sports if we wanted. Start using it wisely

Florida, Indiana, and Michigan State are the only teams on that list I would CONSIDER doing a 2:1 series with

Florida St, and Maryland are programs with some good history, but I would not consider them blue-bloods that we would need to bend the knee to.

Minnesota, Pitt, and Texas I would consider below us, with the only the benifit of being in a "power" conference.

LSU, and Bama - Both schools combine for FOUR NCAA Tourney appearances in the last 16 years. They are not in our league in terms of basketball. That is just a fact. Doing a 2-1 deal with them would just be downright silly and laughable.

TCU and Rutgers - These programs should be asking UC for a 2 for 1. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? TCU has not been to the dance since 1998. TCU will improve with their coach, but they are nowhere close to our level, and likely wont be. Rutgers has not been to the tourney since 1991. Rutgers spent YEARS in the best basketball conference in the nation and could never build a program. They are complete garbage.

Me thinks you over value our program. History means nothing in scheduling. We are not in a P5 conference and that fact dictates much of our scheduling woes. The fact that we have two NC's 55 years ago means nothing for scheduling now.

One more point...UC will not give up a home game to play on the road with what the fans conceive as a prime time game. Revenue is generated at home, not on the road. We will always have 18 home games.
 
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(03-08-2017 11:35 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  
(03-08-2017 10:08 AM)Banter Wrote:  
(03-07-2017 02:17 PM)bulldog23 Wrote:  Lsu, Florida, Florida st, tcu, Indiana, Minnesota, mich st, Maryland, pitt, texas, Alabama, Rutgers all would do a 2 for 1. Games don't have be played in consecutive years. Time for mick stop scheduling mid major 2-3yrs after they was hot. Go out on road and expand our brand by beating teams with huge fan bases. OCC top 10 match ups rarely happen in a teams home court, they meet up at neutral site. Get creative Mick and stop whining. We barely sell out our home games, never have decent away crowd, and only been to one sweet 16 under Mick. Why would espn go out their way for us? It's time for us to go out our way. We have $$$ to be kings of college sports if we wanted. Start using it wisely

Florida, Indiana, and Michigan State are the only teams on that list I would CONSIDER doing a 2:1 series with

Florida St, and Maryland are programs with some good history, but I would not consider them blue-bloods that we would need to bend the knee to.

Minnesota, Pitt, and Texas I would consider below us, with the only the benifit of being in a "power" conference.

LSU, and Bama - Both schools combine for FOUR NCAA Tourney appearances in the last 16 years. They are not in our league in terms of basketball. That is just a fact. Doing a 2-1 deal with them would just be downright silly and laughable.

TCU and Rutgers - These programs should be asking UC for a 2 for 1. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? TCU has not been to the dance since 1998. TCU will improve with their coach, but they are nowhere close to our level, and likely wont be. Rutgers has not been to the tourney since 1991. Rutgers spent YEARS in the best basketball conference in the nation and could never build a program. They are complete garbage.

Me thinks you over value our program. History means nothing in scheduling. We are not in a P5 conference and that fact dictates much of our scheduling woes. The fact that we have two NC's 55 years ago means nothing for scheduling now.

One more point...UC will not give up a home game to play on the road with what the fans conceive as a prime time game. Revenue is generated at home, not on the road. We will always have 18 home games.

I re-watched the UC-Houston game from last week a few days ago. The ESPN crew spent the first 10 minutes discussing our status as a "mid-major" (emphasis on the quote because they were debating the term and how it applies to the conference, thus its members are mid-majors). This narrative has been pounded repeatedly over the past couple of years that it is now the reality we live in--- people consider us to be a mid-major and schools within P5 conferences, regardless of how much they have sucked historically, as high-major.

This is our reality now. I am sure we have done everything we can to try and schedule these schools. As I posted before in this thread I think our best bet is just to try and schedule the best schools in the non-P5 and Big East conference home and home, with the hope we get an occasional P5.
 
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(03-08-2017 11:53 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(03-08-2017 11:35 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  
(03-08-2017 10:08 AM)Banter Wrote:  
(03-07-2017 02:17 PM)bulldog23 Wrote:  Lsu, Florida, Florida st, tcu, Indiana, Minnesota, mich st, Maryland, pitt, texas, Alabama, Rutgers all would do a 2 for 1. Games don't have be played in consecutive years. Time for mick stop scheduling mid major 2-3yrs after they was hot. Go out on road and expand our brand by beating teams with huge fan bases. OCC top 10 match ups rarely happen in a teams home court, they meet up at neutral site. Get creative Mick and stop whining. We barely sell out our home games, never have decent away crowd, and only been to one sweet 16 under Mick. Why would espn go out their way for us? It's time for us to go out our way. We have $$$ to be kings of college sports if we wanted. Start using it wisely

Florida, Indiana, and Michigan State are the only teams on that list I would CONSIDER doing a 2:1 series with

Florida St, and Maryland are programs with some good history, but I would not consider them blue-bloods that we would need to bend the knee to.

Minnesota, Pitt, and Texas I would consider below us, with the only the benifit of being in a "power" conference.

LSU, and Bama - Both schools combine for FOUR NCAA Tourney appearances in the last 16 years. They are not in our league in terms of basketball. That is just a fact. Doing a 2-1 deal with them would just be downright silly and laughable.

TCU and Rutgers - These programs should be asking UC for a 2 for 1. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? TCU has not been to the dance since 1998. TCU will improve with their coach, but they are nowhere close to our level, and likely wont be. Rutgers has not been to the tourney since 1991. Rutgers spent YEARS in the best basketball conference in the nation and could never build a program. They are complete garbage.

Me thinks you over value our program. History means nothing in scheduling. We are not in a P5 conference and that fact dictates much of our scheduling woes. The fact that we have two NC's 55 years ago means nothing for scheduling now.

One more point...UC will not give up a home game to play on the road with what the fans conceive as a prime time game. Revenue is generated at home, not on the road. We will always have 18 home games.

I re-watched the UC-Houston game from last week a few days ago. The ESPN crew spent the first 10 minutes discussing our status as a "mid-major" (emphasis on the quote because they were debating the term and how it applies to the conference, thus its members are mid-majors). This narrative has been pounded repeatedly over the past couple of years that it is now the reality we live in--- people consider us to be a mid-major and schools within P5 conferences, regardless of how much they have sucked historically, as high-major.

This is our reality now. I am sure we have done everything we can to try and schedule these schools. As I posted before in this thread I think our best bet is just to try and schedule the best schools in the non-P5 and Big East conference home and home, with the hope we get an occasional P5.
I don't believe that crew ever referred to UC, specically, as a mid major. They were simply discussing the nature of that label in general.

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Either way it applies.

Scheduling is not easy because nobody wants to play a team that might beat them on their own floor. This is true at every level of competition. And there are over 300 teams trying to accomplish the same thing in scheduling. Unfortunately we are poison for road games because we are good. This is especially true for P5 teams to bring us in. Imagine the consequences from the pundits and their fan base if they would lose to a us on their home floor; A team that most feel would be inferior.
 
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(03-08-2017 01:55 PM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  Either way it applies.

Scheduling is not easy because nobody wants to play a team that might beat them on their own floor. This is true at every level of competition. And there are over 300 teams trying to accomplish the same thing in scheduling. Unfortunately we are poison for road games because we are good.

Plenty of good teams schedule home and home series (and to be fair UC has done a good job of it lately as well). I don't think it's as difficult as people make it out to be. I am certainly against 2 for 1's that bulldog advocates for. Look at Xavier who year after year schedules good home and home series despite being in a small conference for much of the time and almost always being a good team. Hell, Xavier also does an amazing job scheduling good "buy" games. This year they played nobody below 200 in the RPI in a "buy" game. That's tip top scheduling from a program that is a lesser program than UC.

Teams that understand the selection process aren't afraid to schedule good teams. These games don't really hurt you and have a great chance to help you. Losing to a good program isn't going to be a big detriment to your tournament chances. If you think making the NCAA's is about counting losses you haven't been paying attention.
 
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(03-08-2017 01:55 PM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  Either way it applies.

Scheduling is not easy because nobody wants to play a team that might beat them on their own floor. This is true at every level of competition. And there are over 300 teams trying to accomplish the same thing in scheduling. Unfortunately we are poison for road games because we are good. This is especially true for P5 teams to bring us in. Imagine the consequences from the pundits and their fan base if they would lose to a us on their home floor; A team that most feel would be inferior.

I pretty much agree with your point of view and the challenges in scheduling. What I can't understand is if we look a few miles away to Victory Parkway this season, X had P5 games with Missouri, Clemson, Baylor, Colorado, Utah and Wake Forest. Given X has had pretty high performing teams in recent years, why weren't these schools reluctant to risk a loss, home or away to a non-P5? And I'm not buying the new Big East is a quasi P5 either. They will have more bids this year than the AAC but the best programs in each conference are pretty comparable.

There are any number of G5 programs that would bring better teams to 5th/3rd than some of those P5's X played. The problem is they just don't have the same brand awareness to casual fans as a team that Kentucky, UCLA or Duke plays home and home every year.
 
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(03-08-2017 02:00 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(03-08-2017 01:55 PM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  Either way it applies.

Scheduling is not easy because nobody wants to play a team that might beat them on their own floor. This is true at every level of competition. And there are over 300 teams trying to accomplish the same thing in scheduling. Unfortunately we are poison for road games because we are good.

Plenty of good teams schedule home and home series (and to be fair UC has done a good job of it lately as well). I don't think it's as difficult as people make it out to be. I am certainly against 2 for 1's that bulldog advocates for. Look at Xavier who year after year schedules good home and home series despite being in a small conference for much of the time and almost always being a good team. Hell, Xavier also does an amazing job scheduling good "buy" games. This year they played nobody below 200 in the RPI in a "buy" game. That's tip top scheduling from a program that is a lesser program than UC.

Teams that understand the selection process aren't afraid to schedule good teams. These games don't really hurt you and have a great chance to help you. Losing to a good program isn't going to be a big detriment to your tournament chances. If you think making the NCAA's is about counting losses you haven't been paying attention.

My thought on X is that they need to have a better non-con schedule than UC purely from a profitability standpoint. They don't have to worry about Football scheduling like we do.
 
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