(03-06-2017 06:46 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  WE WON 19 GAMES THIS YEAR WITH SIX PLAYERS ALL SEASON LONG...WHO IN THE HELL CAN WIN WITH SUCH LIMITATIONS???

SMU WON 26 OR SO WITH 6 PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(03-06-2017 07:34 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:28 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Pretty random ideas here. There are tons of stats.

But...an easy conclusion...and you can bring all the stats you want...Memphis was a little better overall this season than last. Without the crushing finish, it would have been even better.

Should we lose to UCF, considering our team made a run to the conference finals last year, it is arguable we did not improve from soup to nuts. One win in the tourney will solidify the improvement, while a loss makes us 2-7 down the stretch without a conference tourney win.

That would mean no soup for us.

Absolutely, but we had no high expectations coming into this season...period! The miserables are trying to as usual fault find because of their hatred for Coach Tubby Smith! Everyday they spread negativity without any rational validation. We lost horribly Saturday! It's freakin called a rebuilding of the program. Cal had to do it.

Cal = NOT.

(03-06-2017 08:39 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 07:02 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:46 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  WE WON 19 GAMES THIS YEAR WITH SIX PLAYERS ALL SEASON LONG...WHO IN THE HELL CAN WIN WITH SUCH LIMITATIONS???

Take a look at the schedule. That's why.

Come on, Blubecker!! Let's give the guy a chance, please!

I haven't seen one post calling for Tubby to be fired. I have seen (mine included) bitching about the late season performance and the apparent lack of effort to recruit for THIS year's roster.

I predicted a 19-12 regular season record based on the returning players and the slaw schedule. Doesn't mean I didn't expect a balls to the wall effort to EXCEED that prediction. I didn't see and don't see balls to the wall effort.

Unless Tubby pulls a Tic Price or has a 10 win year or something like that he's going to have at least 3 more years to build a team. I don't like a lot of what I saw this year. I'm not convinced he's going to be successful but I could be wrong just as easily as I could be right.

If he adds more quality recruits to this year's class and gets into the NCAA next year; then continues on with a win or two the year after and we can all clearly see what he's building I'll happily admit I missed on Tubby. I'll be happy about the direction of the program.

At this point, if Tubby is worried about whether people on a message board do or don't believe he's the man then he's not the man.

I don't think Tubby is worried in the least about the comments being made on this board. I doubt if he has a clue this board even exists. However, I think your assessment is quite fair.

(03-06-2017 09:28 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 08:39 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 07:02 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:46 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  WE WON 19 GAMES THIS YEAR WITH SIX PLAYERS ALL SEASON LONG...WHO IN THE HELL CAN WIN WITH SUCH LIMITATIONS???

Take a look at the schedule. That's why.

Come on, Blubecker!! Let's give the guy a chance, please!

I haven't seen one post calling for Tubby to be fired. I have seen (mine included) bitching about the late season performance and the apparent lack of effort to recruit for THIS year's roster.

I predicted a 19-12 regular season record based on the returning players and the slaw schedule. Doesn't mean I didn't expect a balls to the wall effort to EXCEED that prediction. I didn't see and don't see balls to the wall effort.

Unless Tubby pulls a Tic Price or has a 10 win year or something like that he's going to have at least 3 more years to build a team. I don't like a lot of what I saw this year. I'm not convinced he's going to be successful but I could be wrong just as easily as I could be right.

If he adds more quality recruits to this year's class and gets into the NCAA next year; then continues on with a win or two the year after and we can all clearly see what he's building I'll happily admit I missed on Tubby. I'll be happy about the direction of the program.

At this point, if Tubby is worried about whether people on a message board do or don't believe he's the man then he's not the man.

I don't think Tubby is worried in the least about the comments being made on this board. I doubt if he has a clue this board even exists. However, I think your assessment is quite fair.

I imagine Tubby forgot his login info to his AOL account.

The new CA Tiger beat writer gives Tubby a pass until year three or four to make the NCAA Tourney and Tubby can do as he see fits concerning constructing the program with his recruits. He downplayed the effect of the SMU defeat. I get the impression that he thinks fans have no basis to severely criticize Tubby at this point.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp.../98813178/

(03-07-2017 10:01 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The new CA Tiger beat writer gives Tubby a pass until year three or four to make the NCAA Tourney and Tubby can do as he see fits concerning constructing the program with his recruits. He downplayed the effect of the SMU defeat. I get the impression that he thinks fans have no basis to severely criticize Tubby at this point.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp.../98813178/

I wouldn't go that far.

(03-07-2017 10:01 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The new CA Tiger beat writer gives Tubby a pass until year three or four to make the NCAA Tourney and Tubby can do as he see fits concerning constructing the program with his recruits. He downplayed the effect of the SMU defeat. I get the impression that he thinks fans have no basis to severely criticize Tubby at this point.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp.../98813178/

You think.

(03-07-2017 09:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 09:28 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 08:39 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 07:02 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Take a look at the schedule. That's why.

Come on, Blubecker!! Let's give the guy a chance, please!

I haven't seen one post calling for Tubby to be fired. I have seen (mine included) bitching about the late season performance and the apparent lack of effort to recruit for THIS year's roster.

I predicted a 19-12 regular season record based on the returning players and the slaw schedule. Doesn't mean I didn't expect a balls to the wall effort to EXCEED that prediction. I didn't see and don't see balls to the wall effort.

Unless Tubby pulls a Tic Price or has a 10 win year or something like that he's going to have at least 3 more years to build a team. I don't like a lot of what I saw this year. I'm not convinced he's going to be successful but I could be wrong just as easily as I could be right.

If he adds more quality recruits to this year's class and gets into the NCAA next year; then continues on with a win or two the year after and we can all clearly see what he's building I'll happily admit I missed on Tubby. I'll be happy about the direction of the program.

At this point, if Tubby is worried about whether people on a message board do or don't believe he's the man then he's not the man.

I don't think Tubby is worried in the least about the comments being made on this board. I doubt if he has a clue this board even exists. However, I think your assessment is quite fair.

I imagine Tubby forgot his login info to his AOL account.

Pony Express

(03-07-2017 10:06 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:01 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The new CA Tiger beat writer gives Tubby a pass until year three or four to make the NCAA Tourney and Tubby can do as he see fits concerning constructing the program with his recruits. He downplayed the effect of the SMU defeat. I get the impression that he thinks fans have no basis to severely criticize Tubby at this point.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp.../98813178/

I wouldn't go that far.

See you still need the money.

(03-07-2017 10:08 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:06 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:01 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The new CA Tiger beat writer gives Tubby a pass until year three or four to make the NCAA Tourney and Tubby can do as he see fits concerning constructing the program with his recruits. He downplayed the effect of the SMU defeat. I get the impression that he thinks fans have no basis to severely criticize Tubby at this point.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp.../98813178/

I wouldn't go that far.

See you still need the money.

Huh?

(03-06-2017 06:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:46 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  WE WON 19 GAMES THIS YEAR WITH SIX PLAYERS ALL SEASON LONG...WHO IN THE HELL CAN WIN WITH SUCH LIMITATIONS???

Take a look at the schedule. That's why.

That's a line we've all had fun with this year. But it turns out, it's fake news. KenPom has our SOS (98) this year the exact same as last year. Sagarin has this year (90 vs 105) as a tougher schedule. End of the year, the league isn't as weak as we thought. (Which is why we should have 3 teams in without question.)

Our SOS is pretty comparable with everyone in the AAC and the A10. It's not as good as the BEast, but it's better than all other non-power leagues. Point being, our SOS is basically what we can expect in the AAC - give or take a game.

What hurt was the home OOC schedule stunk, and those first 4 games - all part of the Emerald Coast tourney - were major anchors. Add a BEast/Gonzaga type home-home will help perception and move us up a few notches. But we're not getting a SOS in the 20's. At least not until we can build the brand back up. UConn still has brand equity and their SOS is the best in the AAC at 65. Probably the best we can hope for in the current conference alignment.

(03-06-2017 06:28 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Pretty random ideas here. There are tons of stats.

But...an easy conclusion...and you can bring all the stats you want...Memphis was a little better overall this season than last. Without the crushing finish, it would have been even better.

Should we lose to UCF, considering our team made a run to the conference finals last year, it is arguable we did not improve from soup to nuts. One win in the tourney will solidify the improvement, while a loss makes us 2-7 down the stretch without a conference tourney win.

That would mean no soup for us.

The end of the season has been bad. Back loaded schedule. Team chemistry. Family distractions. Lack of focus. Underestimation by staff. All are contributors. We've treaded water this year.

The stats do point to an easy conclusion though. Coaching changes don't normally lead to a turnaround in year 1 - and sometimes slip backwards that first year.

(03-07-2017 09:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 09:28 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 08:39 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 07:02 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Take a look at the schedule. That's why.

Come on, Blubecker!! Let's give the guy a chance, please!

I haven't seen one post calling for Tubby to be fired. I have seen (mine included) bitching about the late season performance and the apparent lack of effort to recruit for THIS year's roster.

I predicted a 19-12 regular season record based on the returning players and the slaw schedule. Doesn't mean I didn't expect a balls to the wall effort to EXCEED that prediction. I didn't see and don't see balls to the wall effort.

Unless Tubby pulls a Tic Price or has a 10 win year or something like that he's going to have at least 3 more years to build a team. I don't like a lot of what I saw this year. I'm not convinced he's going to be successful but I could be wrong just as easily as I could be right.

If he adds more quality recruits to this year's class and gets into the NCAA next year; then continues on with a win or two the year after and we can all clearly see what he's building I'll happily admit I missed on Tubby. I'll be happy about the direction of the program.

At this point, if Tubby is worried about whether people on a message board do or don't believe he's the man then he's not the man.

I don't think Tubby is worried in the least about the comments being made on this board. I doubt if he has a clue this board even exists. However, I think your assessment is quite fair.

I imagine Tubby forgot his login info to his AOL account.

(03-07-2017 12:58 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:46 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  WE WON 19 GAMES THIS YEAR WITH SIX PLAYERS ALL SEASON LONG...WHO IN THE HELL CAN WIN WITH SUCH LIMITATIONS???

Take a look at the schedule. That's why.

That's a line we've all had fun with this year. But it turns out, it's fake news. KenPom has our SOS (98) this year the exact same as last year. Sagarin has this year (90 vs 105) as a tougher schedule. End of the year, the league isn't as weak as we thought. (Which is why we should have 3 teams in without question.)

Our SOS is pretty comparable with everyone in the AAC and the A10. It's not as good as the BEast, but it's better than all other non-power leagues. Point being, our SOS is basically what we can expect in the AAC - give or take a game.

What hurt was the home OOC schedule stunk, and those first 4 games - all part of the Emerald Coast tourney - were major anchors. Add a BEast/Gonzaga type home-home will help perception and move us up a few notches. But we're not getting a SOS in the 20's. At least not until we can build the brand back up. UConn still has brand equity and their SOS is the best in the AAC at 65. Probably the best we can hope for in the current conference alignment.

Here are the 19 wins:

UTRGV 7-20 RPI - 318
MILW 8-23 RPI - 287
SAV 11-16 RPI - 285
McNCE 5-21 RPI - 315
IOWA 17-13 RPI - 73*
JKST 11-16 RPI - 321
UAB 15-14 RPI - 178
OK 11-19 RPI - 152
IW 8-17 RPI - 296
SC 21-8 RPI - 28* (Missing best player)
UCONN 13-15 RPI - 114
TLN (x2) 5-24 RPI - 297
USF (x2) 7-21 RPI - 311
HOU 20-9 RPI - 52*
UCF 20-10 RPI - 74*
ECU 14-16 RPI - 221
TULSA 14-14 RPI 110

*Top 100 RPI win

(03-07-2017 10:06 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:01 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The new CA Tiger beat writer gives Tubby a pass until year three or four to make the NCAA Tourney and Tubby can do as he see fits concerning constructing the program with his recruits. He downplayed the effect of the SMU defeat. I get the impression that he thinks fans have no basis to severely criticize Tubby at this point.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp.../98813178/

You think.

The beat writer may have that opinion but I doubt the fans do. And the fans will ultimately make a decision on Tubby's future regardless of what he, big boosters or anyone else thinks.

(03-07-2017 03:30 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 12:58 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:46 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  WE WON 19 GAMES THIS YEAR WITH SIX PLAYERS ALL SEASON LONG...WHO IN THE HELL CAN WIN WITH SUCH LIMITATIONS???

Take a look at the schedule. That's why.

That's a line we've all had fun with this year. But it turns out, it's fake news. KenPom has our SOS (98) this year the exact same as last year. Sagarin has this year (90 vs 105) as a tougher schedule. End of the year, the league isn't as weak as we thought. (Which is why we should have 3 teams in without question.)

Our SOS is pretty comparable with everyone in the AAC and the A10. It's not as good as the BEast, but it's better than all other non-power leagues. Point being, our SOS is basically what we can expect in the AAC - give or take a game.

What hurt was the home OOC schedule stunk, and those first 4 games - all part of the Emerald Coast tourney - were major anchors. Add a BEast/Gonzaga type home-home will help perception and move us up a few notches. But we're not getting a SOS in the 20's. At least not until we can build the brand back up. UConn still has brand equity and their SOS is the best in the AAC at 65. Probably the best we can hope for in the current conference alignment.

Here are the 19 wins:

UTRGV 7-20 RPI - 318
MILW 8-23 RPI - 287
SAV 11-16 RPI - 285
McNCE 5-21 RPI - 315
IOWA 17-13 RPI - 73*
JKST 11-16 RPI - 321
UAB 15-14 RPI - 178
OK 11-19 RPI - 152
IW 8-17 RPI - 296
SC 21-8 RPI - 28* (Missing best player)
UCONN 13-15 RPI - 114
TLN (x2) 5-24 RPI - 297
USF (x2) 7-21 RPI - 311
HOU 20-9 RPI - 52*
UCF 20-10 RPI - 74*
ECU 14-16 RPI - 221
TULSA 14-14 RPI 110

*Top 100 RPI win

Do you also put a qualifier by all of our losses since Chad went down? I mean, the qualifier for So Carolina is a bit much for a "fan".

But back on point, we're 2-4 vs the top 50 in Sagarin. (The RPI is a very shallow measurement, as the NCAA has admitted.) As good as anyone in the AAC not named SMU or Cincy. As good as anyone in the non-power leagues outside of the BEast and Gonzaga.

There's an interesting fact I just learned. The only teams outside of the P5 + BEast with more top 50 wins than us are SMU, Cincy, and Gonzaga. Hard to believe - but true.

(03-07-2017 04:21 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  There's an interesting fact I just learned. The only teams outside of the P5 + BEast with more top 50 wins than us are SMU, Cincy, and Gonzaga. Hard to believe - but true.

Chit, in all reality, who does that leave?

(03-07-2017 04:21 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Do you also put a qualifier by all of our losses since Chad went down? I mean, the qualifier for So Carolina is a bit much for a "fan".

But back on point, we're 2-4 vs the top 50 in Sagarin. (The RPI is a very shallow measurement, as the NCAA has admitted.) As good as anyone in the AAC not named SMU or Cincy. As good as anyone in the non-power leagues outside of the BEast and Gonzaga.

There's an interesting fact I just learned. The only teams outside of the P5 + BEast with more top 50 wins than us are SMU, Cincy, and Gonzaga. Hard to believe - but true.

You talking Sagarin or RPI (which you just poo-poo'ed)?

(03-07-2017 04:29 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 04:21 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  There's an interesting fact I just learned. The only teams outside of the P5 + BEast with more top 50 wins than us are SMU, Cincy, and Gonzaga. Hard to believe - but true.

Chit, in all reality, who does that leave?

The A10 used to be good. The Valley did too.

(03-07-2017 04:29 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 04:21 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  There's an interesting fact I just learned. The only teams outside of the P5 + BEast with more top 50 wins than us are SMU, Cincy, and Gonzaga. Hard to believe - but true.

Chit, in all reality, who does that leave?

It leaves all of us. 200+ schools. Houston, UConn, UCF, Tulsa, Wichita, Dayton, VCU, ETSU, etc. Granted, we should be there with SMU, Cincy and Gonzaga leading the pack of non-power-cons. And 2 wins is no big feat for us. Just an interesting fact compared to the narrative that we have this crazy, bad, weak schedule and performance - when in reality, we're right there with most schools outside the loop. Our SOS is what it is. We just need to do more like SMU and go 4-2 instead of 2-4.