(03-07-2017 10:50 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:31 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:20 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Not crazy about renewing the UT series. But with our attendance problems, I guess it's for the best.

It's so amazing hearing people say they don't think will help UT with recruiting. Why do you think UT and Ole Miss and Arkansas wants to come here, for the barbecue? Of course it helps them. Just like it helps our football program more than theirs when we schedule a football series. Some things are as they appear.

What facts back up that claim? How, over the past 30 years, has that truly affected "our" recruiting efforts?

This is how it works.

A local dad decides to take his kid to his first college game. Normally that's a Memphis game and you end up with a little Tiger fan for life.

Bring UT, Ole Miss, or Arkansas to town, and SEC dad's pick those games. We lose a good number of those kids forever at their first game.

That is why you don't bring them here.

Who, specifically, have we lost? Everyone overreacts and thinks this windfall of talent all of a sudden leaves Memphis based on a home & home series? Where is this lengthy list of players that left and chose Ole Miss over Memphis? UT over Memphis?

Why are we afraid to play these schools? We should play UT, Ole Miss, Arkansas or whoever every single year and prove on the court that we're a superior product. I don't get the animosity of "losing recruits" to these schools. It's a fallacy.

(03-07-2017 10:43 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:31 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:20 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Not crazy about renewing the UT series. But with our attendance problems, I guess it's for the best.

It's so amazing hearing people say they don't think will help UT with recruiting. Why do you think UT and Ole Miss and Arkansas wants to come here, for the barbecue? Of course it helps them. Just like it helps our football program more than theirs when we schedule a football series. Some things are as they appear.

What facts back up that claim? How, over the past 30 years, has that truly affected "our" recruiting efforts?

Not our recruiting efforts, our opponents ability to recruit here. Cal knew this, Josh knew this.

Why do you think they want the hoops series with us, but not a football series?

We beat Arkansas 3 of 4 in football in the 90s, they cancel the football series, we say take a hike on the hoops series. Haven't seen them recruiting a lot of Corey Becks and Dwight Stewarts out of Memphis since then.

Ask Easterwood how Arky beat out Memphis for those recruits...

You have to balance recruiting vs. providing fans with games they care about (and will pay to come see in person) ...

Maybe one day when we get out of our funk we can have a mutually beneficial, competitive, interesting national schedule ...but for now give me UT, Ole Miss, Arkansas, etc.

(03-07-2017 11:34 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  You have to balance recruiting vs. providing fans with games they care about (and will pay to come see in person) ...

Maybe one day when we get out of our funk we can have a mutually beneficial, competitive, interesting national schedule ...but for now give me UT, Ole Miss, Arkansas, etc.

which colors do you wear for that game?

(03-06-2017 05:32 PM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:21 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  I just don't care anymore.

I LOVE THE TIGERS BUT I QUIT ON THE TEAM FOR THE FIRST TIME SATURDAY AND IT KILLS ME THAT WE'RE SO BAD . I KNOW, I'M A BAD FAN , GO AHEAD , FIRE AWAY ................................................................................................................ I'LL BE BACK WATCHING (RECORDING) FRIDAY BUT WOULD NOT BE A BIT SURPRISED IF IT'S THE LAST GAME OF THE SEASON .


AS FAR AS TN , ARK . IMO ALL WE'RE DOING IS OPENING THE GATES THAT'S SUPPOSEDLY AROUND MEMPHIS TO LET THEM COME GET WHO OUR NEW RECRUITER CANT .

You are a bad fan. Has nothing to do with you quitting on the team - and everything to do with you USING CAPS ALL THE TIME.

(03-06-2017 02:43 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Rick Barnes on renewing Memphis Rivalry, per Wes Rucker's Twitter account:

Quote:"That's going to happen. We want it. Tubby wants it. We've just got to figure out the scheduling."

Been hearing rumblings of this on the Memphis side, too.

I just think we need to tie it to football if we are going to do it. Get a big gate out of the deal.

Face it, it's not going to be a tv draw for ESPN or CBS - but it will help the basketball gate, and we need it these day.

(03-06-2017 03:58 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 03:09 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 02:43 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Rick Barnes on renewing Memphis Rivalry, per Wes Rucker's Twitter account:

Quote:"That's going to happen. We want it. Tubby wants it. We've just got to figure out the scheduling."

Great, we don't catch them wen they are down, instead, they just had a positive year in which seven of their nine rotation players are freshman and sophomores.

just be glad they'll play us. they hold all the cards. we need to get Arkansas back on the schedule too

What cards do they hold in hoops? It's pretty balanced there - maybe a lean to us with leverage.

(03-06-2017 04:13 PM)TigersTigers Wrote:  Obviously UT doesn't want us to play them in football.... And we're probably not ready to play them yet... We need one more solid yr of recruiting before we entertain playing additional P5 schools.

(03-06-2017 04:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 03:43 PM)3601 Wrote:  Some folks are never happy?

Nah, it just seems when we have these lulls, we either catch team on their way up or when we are down.

We had been 17-1 vs. OM then renewed it after 15 years and have gone 5-7 since 98, including two 3-game losing streaks.

We picked up UTK in time for Tony Harris to go 4-0 vs. Memphis, then get the Pearl years.

In football, our series with UTk ends right before they reel off three 5-7 seasons in a row.

Vs. Mississippi State, we have no games from 04-09 and State goes 13-38 in that time. The year they come back on the schedule is Mullen's 2nd season and they go 9-4 and skull drag Memphis 49-7.

It's been a pretty widely held belief that we've had the best football team in the state 2 of the last 3 years. We are more than ready for them.

(03-07-2017 02:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 05:32 PM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:21 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  I just don't care anymore.

I LOVE THE TIGERS BUT I QUIT ON THE TEAM FOR THE FIRST TIME SATURDAY AND IT KILLS ME THAT WE'RE SO BAD . I KNOW, I'M A BAD FAN , GO AHEAD , FIRE AWAY ................................................................................................................ I'LL BE BACK WATCHING (RECORDING) FRIDAY BUT WOULD NOT BE A BIT SURPRISED IF IT'S THE LAST GAME OF THE SEASON .


AS FAR AS TN , ARK . IMO ALL WE'RE DOING IS OPENING THE GATES THAT'S SUPPOSEDLY AROUND MEMPHIS TO LET THEM COME GET WHO OUR NEW RECRUITER CANT .

You are a bad fan. Has nothing to do with you quitting on the team - and everything to do with you USING CAPS ALL THE TIME.

IT'S A WORK THING BROTHER , SORRY IF IT ANNOYS YOU .

(03-06-2017 04:45 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:17 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:11 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:02 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 03:58 PM)btiger Wrote:  just be glad they'll play us. they hold all the cards. we need to get Arkansas back on the schedule too

Yes Arkansas needs help recruiting Memphis just as we have a couple of top classes coming through the Memphis school system. I hope Memphis AD is on Arkansas and IT's Christmas card list.

you do know that all these recruits can see Arkansas and TN play on the TV thing, right?

Sure, but until the science is there for point to point beaming, the best way for Granny and friends to see you play in person and pinch your cheeks, is to play in your home town, i.e., Memphis.

Both Gary Parrish and the new beat writer think that this is a silly argument originating with Cal and that the sheeple just keep regurgitating.

If playing in the home town is such a sell wouldn't playing here 75 times vs. 2 times over a 4 year period be a reason to stay home?

While that's true, having granny at the game isn't the only factor to it. It's being able to come into the town and recruit while you're here for a game. It's having pep rallies on Beale that recruits can attend. It's providing the opportunity for local boosters to have $100 handshakes with local recruits. It's getting covered by the local media at another school. There is much more to it than what GP likes to say with that soundbite he uses.

But, at this time, I agree that we need the game more than we need to worry about increasing the chance of losing a recruit.

(03-07-2017 02:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:45 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:17 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:11 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:02 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Yes Arkansas needs help recruiting Memphis just as we have a couple of top classes coming through the Memphis school system. I hope Memphis AD is on Arkansas and IT's Christmas card list.

you do know that all these recruits can see Arkansas and TN play on the TV thing, right?

Sure, but until the science is there for point to point beaming, the best way for Granny and friends to see you play in person and pinch your cheeks, is to play in your home town, i.e., Memphis.

Both Gary Parrish and the new beat writer think that this is a silly argument originating with Cal and that the sheeple just keep regurgitating.

If playing in the home town is such a sell wouldn't playing here 75 times vs. 2 times over a 4 year period be a reason to stay home?

While that's true, having granny at the game isn't the only factor to it. It's being able to come into the town and recruit while you're here for a game. It's having pep rallies on Beale that recruits can attend. It's providing the opportunity for local boosters to have $100 handshakes with local recruits. It's getting covered by the local media at another school. There is much more to it than what GP likes to say with that soundbite he uses.

But, at this time, I agree that we need the game more than we need to worry about increasing the chance of losing a recruit.

Play the game in Nashville.

(03-07-2017 10:11 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  I'm just curious, how does this "hurt" recruiting?

see post #70

Memphis needs to sell seats per the agreement with the Grizz and the Forum, Arkansas and Tennessee do that. It's a business.

Memphis is no longer in a position of strength it once was under Cal and Boy Wonder without having to need regional match ups to market. Plus... Louisville isn't visiting once a year anymore.

Memphis should stagger home and homes in pairs. Tenn/Vandy and Arkansas/Ole Miss
Memphis playy two on the road and two at home, some close enough for Tiger Faithful to attend on the road. Gives the Tigers a chance to show up a group of SEC teams every year and interest the fan base more to come to games. If and when Memphis becomes dominate again, revisit this policy but set it in place for 6 years. Oh, and work with the teams so two are in Jan, and Feb, not all before the start of conference.

(03-07-2017 02:29 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 02:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:45 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:17 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:11 PM)fsquid Wrote:  you do know that all these recruits can see Arkansas and TN play on the TV thing, right?

Sure, but until the science is there for point to point beaming, the best way for Granny and friends to see you play in person and pinch your cheeks, is to play in your home town, i.e., Memphis.

Both Gary Parrish and the new beat writer think that this is a silly argument originating with Cal and that the sheeple just keep regurgitating.

If playing in the home town is such a sell wouldn't playing here 75 times vs. 2 times over a 4 year period be a reason to stay home?

While that's true, having granny at the game isn't the only factor to it. It's being able to come into the town and recruit while you're here for a game. It's having pep rallies on Beale that recruits can attend. It's providing the opportunity for local boosters to have $100 handshakes with local recruits. It's getting covered by the local media at another school. There is much more to it than what GP likes to say with that soundbite he uses.

But, at this time, I agree that we need the game more than we need to worry about increasing the chance of losing a recruit.

Play the game in Nashville.

Why would you want to play in Nashville. Memphis needs the benefit of an attendence
Bump. This should solely be about revenue at a time attendance is seriously flagging.

(03-07-2017 02:43 PM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 02:29 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 02:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:45 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:17 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Sure, but until the science is there for point to point beaming, the best way for Granny and friends to see you play in person and pinch your cheeks, is to play in your home town, i.e., Memphis.

Both Gary Parrish and the new beat writer think that this is a silly argument originating with Cal and that the sheeple just keep regurgitating.

If playing in the home town is such a sell wouldn't playing here 75 times vs. 2 times over a 4 year period be a reason to stay home?

While that's true, having granny at the game isn't the only factor to it. It's being able to come into the town and recruit while you're here for a game. It's having pep rallies on Beale that recruits can attend. It's providing the opportunity for local boosters to have $100 handshakes with local recruits. It's getting covered by the local media at another school. There is much more to it than what GP likes to say with that soundbite he uses.

But, at this time, I agree that we need the game more than we need to worry about increasing the chance of losing a recruit.

Play the game in Nashville.

Why would you want to play in Nashville. Memphis needs the benefit of an attendence
Bump. This should solely be about revenue at a time attendance is seriously flagging.

Fruck attendance, why did Cal want to play it there?

(03-07-2017 11:13 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:50 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:31 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:20 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Not crazy about renewing the UT series. But with our attendance problems, I guess it's for the best.

It's so amazing hearing people say they don't think will help UT with recruiting. Why do you think UT and Ole Miss and Arkansas wants to come here, for the barbecue? Of course it helps them. Just like it helps our football program more than theirs when we schedule a football series. Some things are as they appear.

What facts back up that claim? How, over the past 30 years, has that truly affected "our" recruiting efforts?

This is how it works.

A local dad decides to take his kid to his first college game. Normally that's a Memphis game and you end up with a little Tiger fan for life.

Bring UT, Ole Miss, or Arkansas to town, and SEC dad's pick those games. We lose a good number of those kids forever at their first game.

That is why you don't bring them here.

Who, specifically, have we lost? Everyone overreacts and thinks this windfall of talent all of a sudden leaves Memphis based on a home & home series? Where is this lengthy list of players that left and chose Ole Miss over Memphis? UT over Memphis?

Why are we afraid to play these schools? We should play UT, Ole Miss, Arkansas or whoever every single year and prove on the court that we're a superior product. I don't get the animosity of "losing recruits" to these schools. It's a fallacy.

Not going to do the research you want done. Losing Tony Harris to UT cost Larry Finch the head coaching job.

(03-07-2017 03:19 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 02:43 PM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 02:29 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 02:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:45 PM)3601 Wrote:  Both Gary Parrish and the new beat writer think that this is a silly argument originating with Cal and that the sheeple just keep regurgitating.

If playing in the home town is such a sell wouldn't playing here 75 times vs. 2 times over a 4 year period be a reason to stay home?

While that's true, having granny at the game isn't the only factor to it. It's being able to come into the town and recruit while you're here for a game. It's having pep rallies on Beale that recruits can attend. It's providing the opportunity for local boosters to have $100 handshakes with local recruits. It's getting covered by the local media at another school. There is much more to it than what GP likes to say with that soundbite he uses.

But, at this time, I agree that we need the game more than we need to worry about increasing the chance of losing a recruit.

Play the game in Nashville.

Why would you want to play in Nashville. Memphis needs the benefit of an attendence
Bump. This should solely be about revenue at a time attendance is seriously flagging.

Fruck attendance, why did Cal want to play it there?

I always felt Cal was wrong about wanting to play in Nashville. Play a home and home or not at all.

(03-07-2017 03:41 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 03:19 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 02:43 PM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 02:29 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 02:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  While that's true, having granny at the game isn't the only factor to it. It's being able to come into the town and recruit while you're here for a game. It's having pep rallies on Beale that recruits can attend. It's providing the opportunity for local boosters to have $100 handshakes with local recruits. It's getting covered by the local media at another school. There is much more to it than what GP likes to say with that soundbite he uses.

But, at this time, I agree that we need the game more than we need to worry about increasing the chance of losing a recruit.

Play the game in Nashville.

Why would you want to play in Nashville. Memphis needs the benefit of an attendence
Bump. This should solely be about revenue at a time attendance is seriously flagging.

Fruck attendance, why did Cal want to play it there?

I always felt Cal was wrong about wanting to play in Nashville. Play a home and home or not at all.

Nashville is where the state money is. That's why you play in Nashville.

(03-07-2017 03:33 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 11:13 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:50 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:31 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 10:20 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Not crazy about renewing the UT series. But with our attendance problems, I guess it's for the best.

It's so amazing hearing people say they don't think will help UT with recruiting. Why do you think UT and Ole Miss and Arkansas wants to come here, for the barbecue? Of course it helps them. Just like it helps our football program more than theirs when we schedule a football series. Some things are as they appear.

What facts back up that claim? How, over the past 30 years, has that truly affected "our" recruiting efforts?

This is how it works.

A local dad decides to take his kid to his first college game. Normally that's a Memphis game and you end up with a little Tiger fan for life.

Bring UT, Ole Miss, or Arkansas to town, and SEC dad's pick those games. We lose a good number of those kids forever at their first game.

That is why you don't bring them here.

Who, specifically, have we lost? Everyone overreacts and thinks this windfall of talent all of a sudden leaves Memphis based on a home & home series? Where is this lengthy list of players that left and chose Ole Miss over Memphis? UT over Memphis?

Why are we afraid to play these schools? We should play UT, Ole Miss, Arkansas or whoever every single year and prove on the court that we're a superior product. I don't get the animosity of "losing recruits" to these schools. It's a fallacy.

Not going to do the research you want done. Losing Tony Harris to UT cost Larry Finch the head coaching job.

Well, we have 1 example of 1 high level recruit getting out of the city in the past few decades, which was the easiest one to acknowledge without doing any "research". Was he led out of the city because he saw UT play in the Pyramid? We're essentially arguing that by UT playing in the FedEx Forum, and all the parallels of parades on Beale Street (haven't seen those happen), $100 handshakes (which happen by all schools), and recruiting for ONE OR TWO DAYS while they're in town for a game played here, that those reasons sway recruits. Interesting. Still waiting for some factual examples.

(03-07-2017 02:43 PM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 02:29 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 02:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:45 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:17 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Sure, but until the science is there for point to point beaming, the best way for Granny and friends to see you play in person and pinch your cheeks, is to play in your home town, i.e., Memphis.

Both Gary Parrish and the new beat writer think that this is a silly argument originating with Cal and that the sheeple just keep regurgitating.

If playing in the home town is such a sell wouldn't playing here 75 times vs. 2 times over a 4 year period be a reason to stay home?

While that's true, having granny at the game isn't the only factor to it. It's being able to come into the town and recruit while you're here for a game. It's having pep rallies on Beale that recruits can attend. It's providing the opportunity for local boosters to have $100 handshakes with local recruits. It's getting covered by the local media at another school. There is much more to it than what GP likes to say with that soundbite he uses.

But, at this time, I agree that we need the game more than we need to worry about increasing the chance of losing a recruit.

Play the game in Nashville.

Why would you want to play in Nashville. Memphis needs the benefit of an attendence
Bump. This should solely be about revenue at a time attendance is seriously flagging.

You can still make money in Nashville if you split the gate. I say do a 3 game deal...Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville. I think IU, Loisville and/or UK recently did a deal iike that.