(04-09-2017 10:48 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  75, when you talk about the "horrible basketball team," what exactly are you comparing it to? A quick review of the historical records suggests that MM's 50 wins in the last three seasons are the third best three season win totals by any coach in the 117 years of Huskie basketball. Only twice in the past was there a better three season WinTOTAL by an NIU head coach: 51 two times: 1970-73 with coach Tom Jorgensen and 1994-97 with Brian Hammel
.....Monty started so deep in the hole with the Huskies having won only 35 games in the prior 4 years that it would not be difficult to make the case that the program is on the upswing.

Sorry cagey, but it is not difficult to make the case that the program is virtually stagnate.
Please review the historical records understand that Monty is averaging 18.8 losses per season -- second worst in 117 years of Huskie basketball behind Ricardo Patton's 20.75 losses per season.
Those last three seasons you've chosen to isolate also include what have to be included within two of the five worst non-conference schedules in NIU basketball history.
Once again, the MAC is a one-bid league and in six seasons, Monty's conference record is sub-.500. It is impossible to believe the program could go anywhere but up after Patton. Instead of lying down ala Patton, Monty is standing, but we're still in the sewer.

Please refer to the wisdom in the following posts:
From Dog Fan -- 7 years is more than enough time to change any culture and build a team several times over. Although a bit less of a failure than previous coaches, Monty has been a failure. It's time for the couple on this board who continually make excuses, the STF spin, and are happy with mediocrity start seeing the light. Yes, we are stuck with Monty, but the complacency and excuses need to stop.
From niu79 -- After spotting Monty three years for Patton's failures, we have a 24-30 record in the MAC over these last three glory years. That might be comparable to prior coaches at NIU, but such performance does not get NIU considered for any conference expansion, which is the topic of this thread.

(04-10-2017 07:36 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 11:08 PM)Dtownboys Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 10:48 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  75, when you talk about the "horrible basketball team," what exactly are you comparing it to? A quick review of the historical records suggests that MM's 50 wins in the last three seasons are the third best three season win totals by any coach in the 117 years of Huskie basketball. Only twice in the past was there a better three season WinTOTAL by an NIU head coach: 51 two times: 1970-73 with coach Tom Jorgensen and 1994-97 with Brian Hammel

NIU ain't exactly duke or Kansas and Monty started so deep in the hole with the Huskies having won only 35 games in the prior 4 years that it would not be difficult to make the case that the program is on the upswing.

All good points. I don't deny that we've had to potential to be better and no one should accept mediocrity. However, a culture doesn't change overnight. We need some sustained success to raise our image.

7 years is more than enough time to change any culture and build a team several times over. Although a bit less of a failure than previous coaches, Monty has been a failure. It's time for the couple on this board who continually make excuses, the STF spin, and are happy with mediocrity start seeing the light. Yes, we are stuck with Monty, but the complacency and excuses need to stop.

Not making any excuses but we don't become Butler or Creighton or any other midmajor program without sustained success. I've never been happy with mediocrity and still takes loses hard. However, being realistic means that even a couple great seasons don't make us a successful program.

(04-10-2017 11:50 AM)Dtownboys Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 07:36 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 11:08 PM)Dtownboys Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 10:48 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  75, when you talk about the "horrible basketball team," what exactly are you comparing it to? A quick review of the historical records suggests that MM's 50 wins in the last three seasons are the third best three season win totals by any coach in the 117 years of Huskie basketball. Only twice in the past was there a better three season WinTOTAL by an NIU head coach: 51 two times: 1970-73 with coach Tom Jorgensen and 1994-97 with Brian Hammel

NIU ain't exactly duke or Kansas and Monty started so deep in the hole with the Huskies having won only 35 games in the prior 4 years that it would not be difficult to make the case that the program is on the upswing.

All good points. I don't deny that we've had to potential to be better and no one should accept mediocrity. However, a culture doesn't change overnight. We need some sustained success to raise our image.

7 years is more than enough time to change any culture and build a team several times over. Although a bit less of a failure than previous coaches, Monty has been a failure. It's time for the couple on this board who continually make excuses, the STF spin, and are happy with mediocrity start seeing the light. Yes, we are stuck with Monty, but the complacency and excuses need to stop.

Not making any excuses but we don't become Butler or Creighton or any other midmajor program without sustained success. I've never been happy with mediocrity and still takes loses hard. However, being realistic means that even a couple great seasons don't make us a successful program.

Unfortunately, nothing will change until we get a new coach.

(04-10-2017 12:05 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:50 AM)Dtownboys Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 07:36 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 11:08 PM)Dtownboys Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 10:48 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  75, when you talk about the "horrible basketball team," what exactly are you comparing it to? A quick review of the historical records suggests that MM's 50 wins in the last three seasons are the third best three season win totals by any coach in the 117 years of Huskie basketball. Only twice in the past was there a better three season WinTOTAL by an NIU head coach: 51 two times: 1970-73 with coach Tom Jorgensen and 1994-97 with Brian Hammel

NIU ain't exactly duke or Kansas and Monty started so deep in the hole with the Huskies having won only 35 games in the prior 4 years that it would not be difficult to make the case that the program is on the upswing.

All good points. I don't deny that we've had to potential to be better and no one should accept mediocrity. However, a culture doesn't change overnight. We need some sustained success to raise our image.

7 years is more than enough time to change any culture and build a team several times over. Although a bit less of a failure than previous coaches, Monty has been a failure. It's time for the couple on this board who continually make excuses, the STF spin, and are happy with mediocrity start seeing the light. Yes, we are stuck with Monty, but the complacency and excuses need to stop.

Not making any excuses but we don't become Butler or Creighton or any other midmajor program without sustained success. I've never been happy with mediocrity and still takes loses hard. However, being realistic means that even a couple great seasons don't make us a successful program.

Unfortunately, nothing will change until we get a new coach.

You can not compare MM wins to other hoop coaches at NIU simply because teams today play at least 30 games. A 20 win season is clearly not the same as it was say 20 years ago. If you are going to compare total wins, be sure to compare total losses as well.