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From CA: Tiger FB revenue exceeds BB for first time (but not really)
From Tom Schad's CA article today:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...m=facebook

Though it is still operating at a deficit, the football program brought in approximately $6.521 million in revenues during the fiscal year, which ended June 30, 2016, and included the 2015 football season. A combination of enticing home games against Ole Miss and Navy, increased season-ticket sales and a favorable bowl destination led to an increase of 167 percent from the previous year, when football revenues totaled $2.433 million.

Revenues in the men’s basketball program, meanwhile, have been trending in the opposite direction for several years. The university’s flagship sports team brought in just $6.089 million in 2016, down from $6.179 million the year before and $7.614 million in 2014, according to data previously submitted to the NCAA.

Now the key paragraph (related to basketball):

Sabin said the two main factors are ticket sales and donations from supporters, which also increased in the 2016 fiscal year from $6.682 million to $7.60 million.

Virtually all of this is per seat donations for basketball and was as high as $15M a year in 2010-2012.
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How much longer can the school sustain is the question.

Altogether, the Memphis athletic department reported a deficit of $87,910 in the 2016 fiscal year, with $50.027 million in revenues and $50.115 million in expenditures. The athletic department received $8.844 million in direct institutional support from the university.
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(03-02-2017 03:36 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  How much longer can the school sustain is the question.

Altogether, the Memphis athletic department reported a deficit of $87,910 in the 2016 fiscal year, with $50.027 million in revenues and $50.115 million in expenditures. The athletic department received $8.844 million in direct institutional support from the university.

Basketball is probably still in the black? Not much expense. So it depends on football covering its nickel.
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(03-02-2017 03:11 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  From Tom Schad's CA article today:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...m=facebook

Though it is still operating at a deficit, the football program brought in approximately $6.521 million in revenues during the fiscal year, which ended June 30, 2016, and included the 2015 football season. A combination of enticing home games against Ole Miss and Navy, increased season-ticket sales and a favorable bowl destination led to an increase of 167 percent from the previous year, when football revenues totaled $2.433 million.

Revenues in the men’s basketball program, meanwhile, have been trending in the opposite direction for several years. The university’s flagship sports team brought in just $6.089 million in 2016, down from $6.179 million the year before and $7.614 million in 2014, according to data previously submitted to the NCAA.

Now the key paragraph (related to basketball):

Sabin said the two main factors are ticket sales and donations from supporters, which also increased in the 2016 fiscal year from $6.682 million to $7.60 million.

Virtually all of this is per seat donations for basketball and was as high as $15M a year in 2010-2012.

I like a lot of what this new guy does, but he obviously didn't do his homework with this one.
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(03-02-2017 03:56 PM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:11 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  From Tom Schad's CA article today:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...m=facebook

Though it is still operating at a deficit, the football program brought in approximately $6.521 million in revenues during the fiscal year, which ended June 30, 2016, and included the 2015 football season. A combination of enticing home games against Ole Miss and Navy, increased season-ticket sales and a favorable bowl destination led to an increase of 167 percent from the previous year, when football revenues totaled $2.433 million.

Revenues in the men’s basketball program, meanwhile, have been trending in the opposite direction for several years. The university’s flagship sports team brought in just $6.089 million in 2016, down from $6.179 million the year before and $7.614 million in 2014, according to data previously submitted to the NCAA.

Now the key paragraph (related to basketball):

Sabin said the two main factors are ticket sales and donations from supporters, which also increased in the 2016 fiscal year from $6.682 million to $7.60 million.

Virtually all of this is per seat donations for basketball and was as high as $15M a year in 2010-2012.

I like a lot of what this new guy does, but he obviously didn't do his homework with this one.

I've been working with another media person to get the real story out right after end of season and Tom (to his credit; he is a hustler) jumped in but just doesn't know the facts. I am assuming that "direct institutional support" is primarily student activity fees-been a long time since i analyzed the University's financial statements.
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(03-02-2017 03:36 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  How much longer can the school sustain is the question.

Altogether, the Memphis athletic department reported a deficit of $87,910 in the 2016 fiscal year, with $50.027 million in revenues and $50.115 million in expenditures. The athletic department received $8.844 million in direct institutional support from the university.

You realize that the university has been subsidizing the athletic dept. forever, right?
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You guys realize that there are about ten ADs out there operating in an honest black bottom line without academic accounting, right?

We lose money but we aren't losing money hand-over-fist as much as a hundred other programs out there.
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(03-02-2017 04:35 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  You guys realize that there are about ten ADs out there operating in an honest black bottom line without academic accounting, right?

We lose money but we aren't losing money hand-over-fist as much as a hundred other programs out there.

Well, that remains to be seen; when we were in the middle of analyzing prior year Financials, there was some creative stuff going on-not illegal or even close; but items shuffled around to so many departments, you really had to follow and I didn't have time at that point. But you are right, very few turn a true profit. I have never understood Title X or Olympic sports and I had a sports playing daughter. Such a drain on University resources.
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(03-02-2017 03:45 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:36 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  How much longer can the school sustain is the question.

Altogether, the Memphis athletic department reported a deficit of $87,910 in the 2016 fiscal year, with $50.027 million in revenues and $50.115 million in expenditures. The athletic department received $8.844 million in direct institutional support from the university.

Basketball is probably still in the black? Not much expense. So it depends on football covering its nickel.

According to the column, basketball is at a deficit. That includes the severance. But, as pointed out, that doesn't include seat donations.
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(03-02-2017 03:36 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  How much longer can the school sustain is the question.

Altogether, the Memphis athletic department reported a deficit of $87,910 in the 2016 fiscal year, with $50.027 million in revenues and $50.115 million in expenditures. The athletic department received $8.844 million in direct institutional support from the university.

We're actually doing better than most of our peer institutions in this area.
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Sell ads on jerseys.
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(03-02-2017 05:16 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Sell ads on jerseys.

We should wear those orange and purple FedEx jersey all year.
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(03-02-2017 04:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:45 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:36 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  How much longer can the school sustain is the question.

Altogether, the Memphis athletic department reported a deficit of $87,910 in the 2016 fiscal year, with $50.027 million in revenues and $50.115 million in expenditures. The athletic department received $8.844 million in direct institutional support from the university.

Basketball is probably still in the black? Not much expense. So it depends on football covering its nickel.

According to the column, basketball is at a deficit. That includes the severance. But, as pointed out, that doesn't include seat donations.
If basketball is in the red, the AD is incompetent. You can run basketball out of the trunk of your car, like a mobile meth lab.
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(03-02-2017 04:35 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  You guys realize that there are about ten ADs out there operating in an honest black bottom line without academic accounting, right?

We lose money but we aren't losing money hand-over-fist as much as a hundred other programs out there.

I'm very fimilar with fund accounting. I think it is about 20 AD's, but yes.
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(03-02-2017 04:28 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:36 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  How much longer can the school sustain is the question.

Altogether, the Memphis athletic department reported a deficit of $87,910 in the 2016 fiscal year, with $50.027 million in revenues and $50.115 million in expenditures. The athletic department received $8.844 million in direct institutional support from the university.

You realize that the university has been subsidizing the athletic dept. forever, right?

Virtually the lowest subsidy in the AAC - see UConn & UH.
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(03-02-2017 05:19 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 04:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:45 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 03:36 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  How much longer can the school sustain is the question.

Altogether, the Memphis athletic department reported a deficit of $87,910 in the 2016 fiscal year, with $50.027 million in revenues and $50.115 million in expenditures. The athletic department received $8.844 million in direct institutional support from the university.

Basketball is probably still in the black? Not much expense. So it depends on football covering its nickel.

According to the column, basketball is at a deficit. That includes the severance. But, as pointed out, that doesn't include seat donations.
If basketball is in the red, the AD is incompetent. You can run basketball out of the trunk of your car, like a mobile meth lab.

I think there's some diversion going on.
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Setting up for booster support to throw a ton of money at Norvell? (Wishful conspiracy thinking)
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