Rather than have the University of Arkansas be both the flagship university for the state of Arkansas & the land-grant university for the state of Arkansas, why not shift the land-grant functions of the University of Arkansas to Arkansas State University? ASU would basically be like another "Auburn" so to speak, but on a much smaller scale. Thoughts ? Could ASU handle it? Would U Of Arkansas be able to really thrive after divesting its land grant duties to ASU?

Sure, and while you're at it, transfer the law school and architecture school, for good measure.


Of course ASU would take over the agriculture and life sciences college, as well as the Ark ag extension service, from Fayetteville.

And of course, U of Ark is not going to let those go.



Also, what on earth do you mean by "really thrive"??? Several world class research universities, which are singular public flagships in their respective states, continue to maintain colleges of agriculture to this day. Off the top of my head: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland.

Arkansas can't support 2 universities like that. Neither can Missouri and they have much more population. Same with Louisiana. It's about the quality of people in those states..

Compare that with Iowa, Mississippi, Kansas, Tennessee, and Oklahoma who can support 2 big boy schools. Pretty much everybody surrounding Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana.

U of A needs all the states resources just to be mediocre, I can't imagine if they shared resources/fans/etc.

The only way we can do any project is to promise no State dollar will be used...so we are more likely to become the land grant university of Tennessee than we are the land grant university of Arkansas.



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How about this: Can Arkansas St ever make Arkansas play them in a football or basketball game. Not a H&H. Just a game, in anything.
Cheers!

(03-02-2017 11:34 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Rather than have the University of Arkansas be both the flagship university for the state of Arkansas & the land-grant university for the state of Arkansas, why not shift the land-grant functions of the University of Arkansas to Arkansas State University? ASU would basically be like another "Auburn" so to speak, but on a much smaller scale. Thoughts ? Could ASU handle it? Would U Of Arkansas be able to really thrive after divesting its land grant duties to ASU?

Land grant, contrary to message board discussions, isn't magical.
Money was given to create the schools. Ongoing money to fund agriculture experiment stations.

UArk done spent the initial money so all you are talking about is transferring the cooperative extension service and the ag experiment stations. To what benefit?

AState and UArk cooperate with the Arkansas Biosciences Institute, do a joint poultry science degree, professors at AState with interesting projects get research funds through the ag experiment stations. UArk's most interesting ag research has been with fruits (apples and grapes mainly) UA Pine Bluff does great stuff on acquaculture, AState and UArk work a lot of row crop projects together.

(03-02-2017 02:25 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  How about this: Can Arkansas St ever make Arkansas play them in a football or basketball game. Not a H&H. Just a game, in anything.
Cheers!

They should play at War Memorial every year. Great for fans.

(03-02-2017 02:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Money was given to create the schools.

Well technically federal land was gifted to each state. The money from the sale of that land was to be used for the purpose of starting agriculture and mechanical arts ("A&M") colleges within the state, either at an existing university or starting a new university.

(03-02-2017 02:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Ongoing money to fund agriculture experiment stations.

The main purpose of each state's agriculture extension service (run by the university with the agriculture college) is to educate farmers on the latest scientific knowledge and methods related to farming.

Agriculture science research itself is conducted by faculty at the agriculture college, at university plots around the state usually.

(03-02-2017 02:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Land grant, contrary to message board discussions, isn't magical.

Generally speaking, no.

But people rightly can observe that most of the universities that were started by their respective states to be "ag schools" have now grown up to be at least FBS, if not P5 (with some exceptions). And in many cases, form a de facto "dual flagship" with the other main university in the state.

(03-02-2017 02:25 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  How about this: Can Arkansas St ever make Arkansas play them in a football or basketball game. Not a H&H. Just a game, in anything.
Cheers!

No. They will not play ANY in-state school in ANY sport.

This is a problem for their own baseball program scheduling midweek games and has hurt their RPI from time to time.

If they won't even schedule in-state even to help themselves...it isn't ever going to happen.

(03-02-2017 02:25 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  How about this: Can Arkansas St ever make Arkansas play them in a football or basketball game. Not a H&H. Just a game, in anything.
Cheers!

Will either school ever lead the series in football against Memphis?

(03-02-2017 04:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 02:25 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  How about this: Can Arkansas St ever make Arkansas play them in a football or basketball game. Not a H&H. Just a game, in anything.
Cheers!

Will either school ever lead the series in football against Memphis?

Every time Memphis is mentioned I think of Project Pat.

(03-02-2017 04:12 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 02:25 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  How about this: Can Arkansas St ever make Arkansas play them in a football or basketball game. Not a H&H. Just a game, in anything.
Cheers!

No. They will not play ANY in-state school in ANY sport.

This is a problem for their own baseball program scheduling midweek games and has hurt their RPI from time to time.

If they won't even schedule in-state even to help themselves...it isn't ever going to happen.

Which is a stupid damn policy. I can understand for football ( sorta ) But everything else should be a no brainer.

(03-02-2017 12:22 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Arkansas can't support 2 universities like that. Neither can Missouri and they have much more population. Same with Louisiana. It's about the quality of people in those states..

Compare that with Iowa, Mississippi, Kansas, Tennessee, and Oklahoma who can support 2 big boy schools. Pretty much everybody surrounding Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana.

U of A needs all the states resources just to be mediocre, I can't imagine if they shared resources/fans/etc.

Missouri could support another school easily. Quality of people that's laughable coming from Oklahoma especially with the two major cities in Missouri that superior to anything in the surrounding states sans Chicago.

Why not Arkansas Tech?

(03-02-2017 03:38 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 02:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Money was given to create the schools.

Well technically federal land was gifted to each state. The money from the sale of that land was to be used for the purpose of starting agriculture and mechanical arts ("A&M") colleges within the state, either at an existing university or starting a new university.

(03-02-2017 02:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Ongoing money to fund agriculture experiment stations.

The main purpose of each state's agriculture extension service (run by the university with the agriculture college) is to educate farmers on the latest scientific knowledge and methods related to farming.

Agriculture science research itself is conducted by faculty at the agriculture college, at university plots around the state usually.

(03-02-2017 02:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Land grant, contrary to message board discussions, isn't magical.

Generally speaking, no.

But people rightly can observe that most of the universities that were started by their respective states to be "ag schools" have now grown up to be at least FBS, if not P5 (with some exceptions). And in many cases, form a de facto "dual flagship" with the other main university in the state.

Arkansas Tech serves that purpose as a mechanical and agriculture science.

(03-02-2017 05:25 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:22 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Arkansas can't support 2 universities like that. Neither can Missouri and they have much more population. Same with Louisiana. It's about the quality of people in those states..

Compare that with Iowa, Mississippi, Kansas, Tennessee, and Oklahoma who can support 2 big boy schools. Pretty much everybody surrounding Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana.

U of A needs all the states resources just to be mediocre, I can't imagine if they shared resources/fans/etc.

Missouri could support another school easily. Quality of people that's laughable coming from Oklahoma especially with the two major cities in Missouri that superior to anything in the surrounding states sans Chicago.

Yeah, I was going to say. Saying that Iowa, Kansas and Mississippi (!!!) --- all states with nearly 50% the population of Missouri with similar or lower per capita income vs Missouri --- can support 2 schools while Missouri cannot was rather dumb.

(03-02-2017 05:48 PM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  Why not Arkansas Tech?

Arkansas State, Arkansas Tech, Southern Arkansas and UA-Monticello are what are known in Arkansas as the 1909 schools.

Created by the same act and all were State Agriculture School __ District (state was divided into four districts. Then became ___ District Arkansas A&M.

SAU and UAM are really small and likely to remain so unless there is some major shift in population and economics.

Arkansas State was the bad guys, we ditched the old Arkansas Intercollegiate Conference and NAIA in the 1950's for the NCAA.

We historically have a very progressive Board and a tendency to do whatever the hell we want. That's why there is now a med school on campus and why we are opening a campus in Mexico and going head-to-head against the city in building a convention center.

Rumors swirl every few years that Arkansas Tech and Southern Arkansas are considering joining the AState system, but I'll believe it when I see it. Supposedly the Arkansas Tech president thinks they would be better off working with our board than their own board while SAU is in a weak financial position and wants to tap into our distance learning to offer more programs and possibly cut back some of their staff replacing them with AState people via distance learning.

(03-02-2017 11:22 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 05:48 PM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  Why not Arkansas Tech?

Arkansas State, Arkansas Tech, Southern Arkansas and UA-Monticello are what are known in Arkansas as the 1909 schools.

Created by the same act and all were State Agriculture School __ District (state was divided into four districts. Then became ___ District Arkansas A&M.

SAU and UAM are really small and likely to remain so unless there is some major shift in population and economics.

Arkansas State was the bad guys, we ditched the old Arkansas Intercollegiate Conference and NAIA in the 1950's for the NCAA.

We historically have a very progressive Board and a tendency to do whatever the hell we want. That's why there is now a med school on campus and why we are opening a campus in Mexico and going head-to-head against the city in building a convention center.

Rumors swirl every few years that Arkansas Tech and Southern Arkansas are considering joining the AState system, but I'll believe it when I see it. Supposedly the Arkansas Tech president thinks they would be better off working with our board than their own board while SAU is in a weak financial position and wants to tap into our distance learning to offer more programs and possibly cut back some of their staff replacing them with AState people via distance learning.

Arkansas Tech grew into a beast and could be known as the Texas Tech in Arkansas. SAU jumped in student population the past few years. I don't think Tech will be part of AState system. They are having other campuses like Arkansas Tech-Ozark. There are talks that they could expand even more with other community colleges as rebrand them as Arkansas Tech-whatever. I think University of Arkansas of Morrilton should go to Tech. Much closer as well. Arkansas Tech-Morrilton

(03-03-2017 03:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 11:22 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 05:48 PM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  Why not Arkansas Tech?

Arkansas State, Arkansas Tech, Southern Arkansas and UA-Monticello are what are known in Arkansas as the 1909 schools.

Created by the same act and all were State Agriculture School __ District (state was divided into four districts. Then became ___ District Arkansas A&M.

SAU and UAM are really small and likely to remain so unless there is some major shift in population and economics.

Arkansas State was the bad guys, we ditched the old Arkansas Intercollegiate Conference and NAIA in the 1950's for the NCAA.

We historically have a very progressive Board and a tendency to do whatever the hell we want. That's why there is now a med school on campus and why we are opening a campus in Mexico and going head-to-head against the city in building a convention center.

Rumors swirl every few years that Arkansas Tech and Southern Arkansas are considering joining the AState system, but I'll believe it when I see it. Supposedly the Arkansas Tech president thinks they would be better off working with our board than their own board while SAU is in a weak financial position and wants to tap into our distance learning to offer more programs and possibly cut back some of their staff replacing them with AState people via distance learning.

Arkansas Tech grew into a beast and could be known as the Texas Tech in Arkansas. SAU jumped in student population the past few years. I don't think Tech will be part of AState system. They are having other campuses like Arkansas Tech-Ozark. There are talks that they could expand even more with other community colleges as rebrand them as Arkansas Tech-whatever. I think University of Arkansas of Morrilton should go to Tech. Much closer as well. Arkansas Tech-Morrilton

I live in Russellville and know several "connected' people at tech( For whatever that's worth). Tech isn't worried about expansion. They are preparing for even more online programs as they see that as the future of learning. A physical classroom is becoming a thing of the past.

(03-02-2017 11:44 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Sure, and while you're at it, transfer the law school and architecture school, for good measure.


Of course ASU would take over the agriculture and life sciences college, as well as the Ark ag extension service, from Fayetteville.

And of course, U of Ark is not going to let those go.



Also, what on earth do you mean by "really thrive"??? Several world class research universities, which are singular public flagships in their respective states, continue to maintain colleges of agriculture to this day. Off the top of my head: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland.

Yeah, this is no ****. Rutgers still maintains a working farm on the Cook Campus. It's funny seeing sheep and cows grazing along the side of US 1 in New Brunswick.