(03-02-2017 10:25 PM)shyminer Wrote:  The bigger issue, the bad call here...https://twitter.com/sbnminerrush/status/837496667171618816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Yes Shy, the Miners got called for a foul on that?

Terrible Officiating!!!!!!!

(03-03-2017 05:23 PM)Proud El Pasoan Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 05:11 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 04:55 PM)Proud El Pasoan Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 04:52 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 04:44 PM)Proud El Pasoan Wrote:  I'm going to reference the late Hall of Famer former head basketball coach of the UTEP Miners Don Haskins on the controversial gold medal game of the 1972 Olympics between the USA and the Soviet Union.

The Soviet Union was given three chances, count them three chances, to make an inbounds pass for a layup win due to a "clock error".

According to Coach Haskins, who happened to be there that night as an assistant coach for the USA team, after the first reset of the clock of another three seconds for a second chance inbounds for the Soviet Union which the Soviet Union failed to make a winning shot, the game should have been over...........Yet the Soviet Union was given a third chance with yet another three seconds which led to the winning basket.

In this UTEP/Old Dominion game one of the referees had signaled that UTEP had made the shot and had won the game. After a long review it was determined that there was a "clock error" and handed the win to Old Dominion.......

UTEP Sports Radio play by play commentator John Teicher had mentioned that there had been many times when a clock didn't start immediately on inbounds yet referees didn't do anything to call it out.

If there was any kind of "clock error" then why not restart the clock and redo the inbounds play again instead of just handing the win to Old Dominion?

So in this analogy UTEP is the USSR and you're upset because you weren't given more chances to make the winning shot? 2.1 seconds. You've got time to take one shot. That shot missed. If had gone in we wouldn't be having this conversation. But since there was a controversy over the tip in (which there would never have been time for), you want a chance to take the shot again?

Good luck against Charlotte.

Coach Don Haskins if you read my post said after the first reset of the clock due to the supposed clock error that the game should have been over but somehow there was a third chance reshot. Haskins didn't argue anything about the first redo of the clock.

Not the same situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Olymp...ounds_play

The first time the Russians never got a shot off because their coach stopped play complaining that he wasn't awarded a TO he called. The second time the buzzer went off after only a second.

I'm fairly certain that Coach Don Haskins, the same Don Haskins who El Paso loved dear who made UTEP Miners basketball the legacy it is today, knows what he was talking about.

Don Haskins isn't the one that's making the comparison between what happened in 1972 and what happened last night. Unless you've held a seance to ask his opinion it's whether you know what you're talking about.

So you think it should have been replayed. Let me ask you this. Suppose the same events took place but the shot went in. Couldn't ODU then point out that the clock didn't start and make you inbound the ball again?

(03-03-2017 05:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  So you think it should have been replayed. Let me ask you this. Suppose the same events took place but the shot went in. Couldn't ODU then point out that the clock didn't start and make you inbound the ball again?

Yes!!!!!

(03-03-2017 05:37 PM)Proud El Pasoan Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 05:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  So you think it should have been replayed. Let me ask you this. Suppose the same events took place but the shot went in. Couldn't ODU then point out that the clock didn't start and make you inbound the ball again?

Yes!!!!!

imo it should be replayed if there is a clock operator issue. That's not something the players can help.

It is over. The officials made the correct decision at the end of the game. If Dominic Artis makes either or both free throws then non of this would have happened. It sucks, but that is what is good and bad about sports.

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(03-03-2017 06:28 PM)Doots4Dawgs Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 05:37 PM)Proud El Pasoan Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 05:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  So you think it should have been replayed. Let me ask you this. Suppose the same events took place but the shot went in. Couldn't ODU then point out that the clock didn't start and make you inbound the ball again?

Yes!!!!!

imo it should be replayed if there is a clock operator issue. That's not something the players can help.

In what was was UTEP's ability to score within 2.1 seconds hindered because the clock started late?

Why should ODU have to successfully defend 2.1 seconds twice?

Article by local El Paso Sports Radio Host Steve "Kappy" Kaplowitz "Two Highly Questionable Calls Doom UTEP":

http://krod.com/two-highly-questionable-...doom-utep/

The first call can be considered questionable, the second is not at all. Its the res and they were applied correctly.

As for Talley he did not kick his legs out. Thomas got into his hip and did not allow him to jump vertically up and down......they protect offensive playwrs from defensive guys undercutting them. The defender is supposed to stay vertical but Thomas tried to stop but couldnt before getting into Talleys hip

The drama is real in March! Y'all keep going at each other, don't worry about us. We will just do our thing here in Murfreesboro!

(03-03-2017 06:28 PM)Doots4Dawgs Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 05:37 PM)Proud El Pasoan Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 05:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  So you think it should have been replayed. Let me ask you this. Suppose the same events took place but the shot went in. Couldn't ODU then point out that the clock didn't start and make you inbound the ball again?

Yes!!!!!

imo it should be replayed if there is a clock operator issue. That's not something the players can help.

The players didn't have to help anything. They did exactly as they should have. Both teams went out to run a play and defend a play for what was to be 2.1 seconds. Not at all a hard amount of time to envision in their brain for any of the 10 players on the court, or the coaches and referees. UTEP threw the ball in and ran the designed play to get the shot off within the 2.1 seconds, while ODU did what ODU does best (defend).

When the officials went to the monitor to ensure that the tip-in was done before time expired they surely noticed the same thing that I did at home watching it on TV ..... the shot clock did not move for at least a full second or more after the UTEP guard had caught the ball. In fact it was not until he was releasing his shot after making a move with the ball that the clock started. At that point it is very easy to start a stop watch (required equipment for officials to have on hand) after rerunning the video of the play and determine if the tip was done in the required 2.1 seconds. It was not close to being within the 2.1 second window. Missed jump shot, tip-in was far too late, no basket, game over, ODU wins by a score of 62-61.

No reason to penalize either team for the play when the outcome of it (either way) can easily be determined by looking at the monitor for just a few seconds.

(03-03-2017 07:54 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 06:28 PM)Doots4Dawgs Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 05:37 PM)Proud El Pasoan Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 05:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  So you think it should have been replayed. Let me ask you this. Suppose the same events took place but the shot went in. Couldn't ODU then point out that the clock didn't start and make you inbound the ball again?

Yes!!!!!

imo it should be replayed if there is a clock operator issue. That's not something the players can help.

The players didn't have to help anything. They did exactly as they should have. Both teams went out to run a play and defend a play for what was to be 2.1 seconds. Not at all a hard amount of time to envision in their brain for any of the 10 players on the court, or the coaches and referees. UTEP threw the ball in and ran the designed play to get the shot off within the 2.1 seconds, while ODU did what ODU does best (defend).

When the officials went to the monitor to ensure that the tip-in was done before time expired they surely noticed the same thing that I did at home watching it on TV ..... the shot clock did not move for at least a full second or more after the UTEP guard had caught the ball. In fact it was not until he was releasing his shot after making a move with the ball that the clock started. At that point it is very easy to start a stop watch (required equipment for officials to have on hand) after rerunning the video of the play and determine if the tip was done in the required 2.1 seconds. It was not close to being within the 2.1 second window. Missed jump shot, tip-in was far too late, no basket, game over, ODU wins by a score of 62-61.

No reason to penalize either team for the play when the outcome of it (either way) can easily be determined by looking at the monitor for just a few seconds.

None of this even explains the terrible foul called on the Miners in the final seconds to give Old Dominion the foul shots to take the lead and the game either.

Do referees sometimes cost teams the game due to bad calls? Yes, it happened before to UTEP some years ago in a tournament championship game against Santa Clara which eventually led to the officials who officiated that game serving a one game suspension for making a terrible call that cost UTEP the championship game:
http://www.mercurynews.com/2008/12/30/sa...-thriller/

Bottom line......sometimes referees can screw up big time by bad calls that lead to a team winning that shouldn't have won in the first place. It's very sad when bad officiating determines the outcome:
http://krod.com/two-highly-questionable-...doom-utep/

You may not like or agree with the call, but it was the right call and an easy one to make. Unless the referee swallows the whistle that is called a foul against the defender 10 times out of 10.

It is what it is. On to the next one. Good luck to ODU in the tournament. I look forward to next season when we have a better team to the matchup in Norfolk. These two teams should have a home and away every season. Could be the spark of an intense rivalry.

(03-03-2017 11:14 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  It is what it is. On to the next one. Good luck to ODU in the tournament. I look forward to next season when we have a better team to the matchup in Norfolk. These two teams should have a home and away every season. Could be the spark of an intense rivalry.

I agree JC. Wish you guys well in Birmingham too unless we have to play you guys again there. Good luck in your home game later today. Try not to need another buzzer beater to escape with the win. You'll be facing a totally different type of team in Charlotte than what you faced on Thursday.