(03-02-2017 04:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 04:14 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 02:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Wichita State is arguably more valuable to AAC not starting football.

Exactly. I dont think Wichita football is going to be part of the deal.

If Wichita decides to restart football, they will have to build the program outside of the AAC. If the program gets to the point where Wichita football becomes a value added proposition, then (and only then) the AAC would likely look favorably on its addition. In other words, they would likely be treated no differently than any other program out there.

Then that becomes a non-starter for Wichita.

Why would they join a FBS conference without a guarantee that if they add Football, they would be added.



Lot of pie-in-the-sky dreaming going on.

I think Wichita and the AAC could come to some sort of agreement about Wichita meeting certain goals/levels/standards before football would be added to the AAC.

It sounds as though we're waiting for the conference affiliation thing to figure itself out before we make a commitment one way or the other to football. I've heard the money is there to bring it back and do it right.

With the Liberty thing, it could even be possible for Wichita to possibly come up at some point to FBS as an Indy and maybe have some sort of agreement with x number of AAC games to give us some sort of FBS stability as we progressed in our growth of the program. Or maybe not. I hate the idea of not having football long term. But we may make that sacrifice to escape the MVC

That would be reasonable. Wichita has to start in FCS regardless (like South Alabama did), and the AAC could put concrete goals (stadium improvements, attendance, etc) that if Wichita met, they would be in the football conference.

Lets be realistic. Here are Tulane's last 2 AAC games. I think Wichita could do that without trying
November 19 2:30 PM Temple Yulman Stadium • New Orleans, LA ASN L 0–31 16,497
November 26 3:00 PM at Connecticut Rentschler Field • East Hartford, CT ESPNews W 38–13 20,764

(03-02-2017 09:03 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  Make it four schools and add UMass.

I doubt Umass even gets a sniff.

Schools like Rice and Southern Miss are more likely picks.

UMAss has MAC written all over them. And I think UMass would have to make a tough decision if the MAC with FBS football was better than A-10 with indy or FCS football. There are good and bad with both.

(03-02-2017 04:41 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 04:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 04:14 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly. I dont think Wichita football is going to be part of the deal.

If Wichita decides to restart football, they will have to build the program outside of the AAC. If the program gets to the point where Wichita football becomes a value added proposition, then (and only then) the AAC would likely look favorably on its addition. In other words, they would likely be treated no differently than any other program out there.

Then that becomes a non-starter for Wichita.

Why would they join a FBS conference without a guarantee that if they add Football, they would be added.



Lot of pie-in-the-sky dreaming going on.

I think Wichita and the AAC could come to some sort of agreement about Wichita meeting certain goals/levels/standards before football would be added to the AAC.

It sounds as though we're waiting for the conference affiliation thing to figure itself out before we make a commitment one way or the other to football. I've heard the money is there to bring it back and do it right.

With the Liberty thing, it could even be possible for Wichita to possibly come up at some point to FBS as an Indy and maybe have some sort of agreement with x number of AAC games to give us some sort of FBS stability as we progressed in our growth of the program. Or maybe not. I hate the idea of not having football long term. But we may make that sacrifice to escape the MVC

That would be reasonable. Wichita has to start in FCS regardless (like South Alabama did), and the AAC could put concrete goals (stadium improvements, attendance, etc) that if Wichita met, they would be in the football conference.

Lets be realistic. Here are Tulane's last 2 AAC games. I think Wichita could do that without trying
November 19 2:30 PM Temple Yulman Stadium • New Orleans, LA ASN L 0–31 16,497
November 26 3:00 PM at Connecticut Rentschler Field • East Hartford, CT ESPNews W 38–13 20,764

Maybe they can, but if they had such great attendance in the past their program would never have been given the axe. That said, the AAC isn't looking to cut the pie into smaller pieces just to add another Tulane.

The bar for Wichita is no different than the bar is in the Big12. The bar for Wichita to clear is to add enough football media value to make the existing members more money. Until that happens, they aren't going to get added. There wont be any parameters in the contract. When Shocker football adds enough value to make the existing members more money, then the AAC will have plenty of motivation to invite Wichita.

(03-02-2017 04:41 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 04:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 04:14 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly. I dont think Wichita football is going to be part of the deal.

If Wichita decides to restart football, they will have to build the program outside of the AAC. If the program gets to the point where Wichita football becomes a value added proposition, then (and only then) the AAC would likely look favorably on its addition. In other words, they would likely be treated no differently than any other program out there.

Then that becomes a non-starter for Wichita.

Why would they join a FBS conference without a guarantee that if they add Football, they would be added.



Lot of pie-in-the-sky dreaming going on.

I think Wichita and the AAC could come to some sort of agreement about Wichita meeting certain goals/levels/standards before football would be added to the AAC.

It sounds as though we're waiting for the conference affiliation thing to figure itself out before we make a commitment one way or the other to football. I've heard the money is there to bring it back and do it right.

With the Liberty thing, it could even be possible for Wichita to possibly come up at some point to FBS as an Indy and maybe have some sort of agreement with x number of AAC games to give us some sort of FBS stability as we progressed in our growth of the program. Or maybe not. I hate the idea of not having football long term. But we may make that sacrifice to escape the MVC

That would be reasonable. Wichita has to start in FCS regardless (like South Alabama did), and the AAC could put concrete goals (stadium improvements, attendance, etc) that if Wichita met, they would be in the football conference.

Lets be realistic. Here are Tulane's last 2 AAC games. I think Wichita could do that without trying
November 19 2:30 PM Temple Yulman Stadium • New Orleans, LA ASN L 0–31 16,497
November 26 3:00 PM at Connecticut Rentschler Field • East Hartford, CT ESPNews W 38–13 20,764

I am sure they could, but striving for the bottom of the league is no help for either Wichita or the AAC. You would want additions to come in at the middle, at least.

If added, the American would like like:

Cincinnati
Connecticut
Dayton (Non-Football)
East Carolina
Houston
Memphis
Navy (Football-Only)
SMU
UCF
USF
Temple
Tulane
Tulsa
VCU (Non-Football)
Wichita State (Non-Football)

That would give you 12 total members for football, and 14 for basketball. What's really interesting is that you could easily add Army and Air Force as non-football members to get to 14 for both sports. In addition, and assuming it would add value and exposure for the next TV deal, you could even add UAB and Southern Mississippi for all sports and really become an updated and more valuable version of the original Conference USA.

Money talks, however. Unless Aresco can convince ESPN (or any other network) to pay more money for additions, in addition to paying for money for current members, it won't happen. We shall see what the next TV deal will look like.

(03-02-2017 05:36 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  you could even add UAB and Southern Mississippi for all sports and really become an updated and more valuable version of the original Conference USA.

We'd need Marquette to be CUSA. It aint CUSA without DWade, the face of the conference.

With Marquette and DePaul in the NBE, they should add Southern Miss and UAB.

They could be the CUSA 4 to go with the C7.

(03-02-2017 05:36 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Money talks, however. Unless Aresco can convince ESPN (or any other network) to pay more money for additions, in addition to paying for money for current members, it won't happen. We shall see what the next TV deal will look like.

The American draws better #s than the NBE. I'm a little curious to see what the NBE will receive the next time around.

(03-02-2017 03:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Why would they join a FBS conference without a guarantee that if they add Football, they would be added.

Because AAC is a better basketball conf. Basketball is their main sport, and Tulsa was their rival previously.

(03-02-2017 04:14 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I think Wichita and the AAC could come to some sort of agreement about Wichita meeting certain goals/levels/standards before football would be added to the AAC.

I think such a think would have to be an implied, gentleman's agreement, rather than explicit.

I think the article that I posted the other day might be why these ideas are coming up.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-810742.html

We are seeing schools in these different conferences are spending more than others. I could throw Missouri State in there somewhere since they are spending more money to upgrade their football stadium as well. The schools that have no football and FCS schools might be jockeying to be part of a better conference in case there is a split where men and women sports will be two levels. AAC would be the FBS basketball league while A10 and MVC could become the FCS basketball league. Schools that are willing to upgrade their spots to be part of the first league will get in. This could explain why Big West schools are flirting with the idea of football and be connected with the MWC in a way. MWC>Big West in basketball. Big West schools have no place to go to get into a better conference for basketball since WCC are happy with private schools, but MWC are only interested in football schools.

One aspect people are forgetting is Dayton averages about 12,000 per game in basketball.

That will make the AAC look formidable in hoops.

As for VCU I have traditionally thought it wouldnt be worth the travel to move to the AAC. If the money is good enough that assumption might be out the door.

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AAC in attendance with UConn, Dayton & VCU

25. Dayton 12,941
30. Memphis 12,028
37. Wichita St. 10,805
40. UConn 10,413
47. Cincinnati 9,415
62. VCU 7,637
74. SMU 6,907
83. Temple 6,373
Tulsa 4,745
East Carolina 4,444
UCF 4,513
Houston 3,705
South Florida 3,098
Tulane 1,799

Last year the AAC was slightly ahead of the MVC and A10 in attendance. Adding Dayton, Wichita and VCU would put a lot of distance between them and the MWC/A10.

Before
AAC 6,291
MVC 5,210
A10 4,941

After
AAC 7,662
MVC 4,615
A10 4,071

http://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/f..._final.pdf

(03-02-2017 03:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 02:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Wichita State is arguably more valuable to AAC not starting football.

Sounds like you're hoping that you won't see WSU football coaches popping up in your recruiting areas any time soon!

Doubt Wichita State will ever devote a lot of energy recruiting Arkansas, Louisiana, and Alabama. Might see them in Texas but I figure Tulsa would find more objection than we would.

(03-02-2017 04:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 02:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:43 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  WSU no-brainer. Tulsa was old rival. Maybe one day they start football, but don't need it at the moment.


Not sure about VCU and Dayton. Maybe VCU, if they want to start football one day. But obviously Dayton wants the Big East.

As non-football members, and assuming UConn leaves, not sure the non-football share in the AAC is going to be a huge amount of money.

Wichita State is arguably more valuable to AAC not starting football.

Exactly. I dont think Wichita football is going to be part of the deal.

If Wichita decides to restart football, they will have to build the program outside of the AAC. If the program gets to the point where Wichita football becomes a value added proposition, then (and only then) the AAC would likely look favorably on its addition. In other words, they would likely be treated no differently than any other program out there.

Then that becomes a non-starter for Wichita.

Why would they join a FBS conference without a guarantee that if they add Football, they would be added.



Lot of pie-in-the-sky dreaming going on.

Your observation seems pretty off base to me. Wichita wants to get to a conference where they can associate with more research universities (not my words or a guess on my part---the Wichita president has publicly made this case). The reality? Wichita has yet to indicate they even have a desire to restart football. They would likely welcome the opportunity to move to the AAC without going to the expense of starting football. If they restart football, then they make decision completely aware that they will not be a football member in the AAC until they can become an asset to the AAC in that sport. There is zero reason for the AAC do otherwise.

Wichita State has basically said they were looking at football because AAC and MWC hadn't seemed interested so they were looking at football as a way to spark that. If AAC determines a non-football member is in the league's best interest I suspect Wichita's "passion" for football melts.

Found this online. Here is what the American would look like with all three additions - it would be a solid footprint:

(03-02-2017 10:18 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Once the American adds these three for basketball only, I think we expand to 16 for football and 16 for basketball. With Army and Air Force coming on as football only and BYU & Boise State coming on for all sports.

Basketball Divisions
WEST
Boise State
BYU
Wichita State
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Memphis
Tulane

EAST
Cincinnati
Dayton
East Carolina
VCU
UCF
South Florida
Temple
UConn

FOOTBALL DIVISIONS
WEST
Boise State
BYU
Air Force
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane
Memphis

EAST
UConn
Army
Temple
Navy
East Carolina
Cincinnati
South Florida
UCF

Army-Navy games moves back to Friday after Thanksgiving.

At that point you try to get a tie in with the Cotton Bowl or Peach Bowl

Army & Air Force are definite pipe dreams. Army tried the conference life a long time ago with C-USA. The experiment went horribly for Army, and they finally decided to pull the plug. C-USA at the time wasn't much different from the AAC. Why would Army want to join something that they know does not work for them? As for Air Force, they are one of the founding members of the MWC. Let that sink in a moment. Basically, you would be asking a school like Georgia, Auburn, or Florida to join the Big Ten. What sense does that make??

Circling back to instability giving pause, I recall Xavier turning down the Big East before the C7 split. They were wise to. The split was an accountability thing to ensure commitment between the hoops schools.

Commitment matters to basketball schools. In that way, I doubt any of the A10 prospects would move. Wichita seems more likely, if just for no other non-fb MVC members consistently competing in the conference. Other than UNI, a fb member, WSU carries Valley hoops. The Shockers don't want to shoulder that.

Why would Dayton or VCU leave the A-10 for arguably a worse league and at best an equal league?

(03-03-2017 08:55 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Why would Dayton or VCU leave the A-10 for arguably a worse league and at best and equal league?

Because once they join there would be no comparison between the 2. Also the TV deal for the AAC is a lot better, money and exposure.

(03-03-2017 03:38 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:18 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Once the American adds these three for basketball only, I think we expand to 16 for football and 16 for basketball. With Army and Air Force coming on as football only and BYU & Boise State coming on for all sports.

Basketball Divisions
WEST
Boise State
BYU
Wichita State
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Memphis
Tulane

EAST
Cincinnati
Dayton
East Carolina
VCU
UCF
South Florida
Temple
UConn

FOOTBALL DIVISIONS
WEST
Boise State
BYU
Air Force
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane
Memphis

EAST
UConn
Army
Temple
Navy
East Carolina
Cincinnati
South Florida
UCF

Army-Navy games moves back to Friday after Thanksgiving.

At that point you try to get a tie in with the Cotton Bowl or Peach Bowl

Army & Air Force are definite pipe dreams. Army tried the conference life a long time ago with C-USA. The experiment went horribly for Army, and they finally decided to pull the plug. C-USA at the time wasn't much different from the AAC. Why would Army want to join something that they know does not work for them? As for Air Force, they are one of the founding members of the MWC. Let that sink in a moment. Basically, you would be asking a school like Georgia, Auburn, or Florida to join the Big Ten. What sense does that make??

The MW isn't the same league Air Force founded.