(03-02-2017 02:55 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:01 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  Bottom line: If Bruce Pearl were to come to Memphis, he'd KILL it here. Of that, I am 100% positive.

Footnote: I'd prefer that Jason Shay be on that staff.

Yea, we know. Shaka would too.

Eh, not so sure.

(03-02-2017 01:13 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:07 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:01 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  Bottom line: If Bruce Pearl were to come to Memphis, he'd KILL it here. Of that, I am 100% positive.

Footnote: I'd prefer that Jason Shay be on that staff.

I'm not so sure I believe that anymore.

He's getting 5* to come to Auburn.

In Basketball.

I understand that. But he'll be heading into year 4 at Auburn with no NCAA Tournament appearances. He'll have to really turn it on next year and the year after or he'll be labeled a bust, 5* or no 5*.

Not saying he won't. But the pressure is definitely on.

5* apparently do better at Memphis?

(03-02-2017 09:46 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 09:02 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:03 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 11:58 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 10:45 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  We would have a better record this year than we do now if we hired Bruce instead of Josh.

Counting vacated wins, probably. Pearl will eventually tire of losing, cheat and then get caught. I don't think he can stand to keep getting his head beat in, he will cheat, just a matter of time. Now we'll see if he gets caught?

SMH

No kidding; the idiots are out in force.......

You know ball's, a girl/boy friend may be able help you with your issue?

One bitter guy's opinion.

(03-02-2017 03:06 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 09:46 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 09:02 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:03 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 11:58 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Counting vacated wins, probably. Pearl will eventually tire of losing, cheat and then get caught. I don't think he can stand to keep getting his head beat in, he will cheat, just a matter of time. Now we'll see if he gets caught?

SMH

No kidding; the idiots are out in force.......

You know ball's, a girl/boy friend may be able help you with your issue?

One bitter guy's opinion.

Well, Balls, you would know better than I.

(03-02-2017 01:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:07 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:01 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  Bottom line: If Bruce Pearl were to come to Memphis, he'd KILL it here. Of that, I am 100% positive.

Footnote: I'd prefer that Jason Shay be on that staff.

I'm not so sure I believe that anymore.

He's getting 5* to come to Auburn.

In Basketball.

How long does it take, though? Aren't you one of the ones saying it's not that difficult? It's all about the RECRUITS! He's had 3 years. That's a complete roster in a young roster sport.

His first class was not top 25, it was #34. Next 2 classes were top 15. So he's got 3 years worth of his guys - and highly regarded recruits - and he's still #11 in a league that's very top heavy.

In truth, it really is a double standard. Or contradiction, if you prefer.

(03-02-2017 12:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:45 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Now, now, now, you can't give Pearl a pass, he's coaching at a major school in the SEC with plenty of resources. He's not in some **** hole like Ole Piss or TT, he should have turned it around in 9 months. Barbee had Cal rejects they had to be pretty good.

I just wonder how many of you guys would be screaming for Pearl's head after 9 months.

The national narrative about Memphis is they have to cheat to win. Slime is Memphis.

It's interesting to think about. The double standard some have on here. Nine months in, "Tubby's a loser!". Three years in, "Next year is Pearl's year!".

Maybe as long as you are perceived to bring in recruits, the winning part of the equation is less important? He's had like 3 top 25 classes at Auburn. You'd think he'd be better than 11th place in the SEC by now.

I think it's fair.

He really was left with slaw when he took over and he coached them well.

He then lost 4 of those 6 leading scorers to graduation, so he was essentially starting from scratch last year.

Then coming into this year he lost three of his top four scorers, including Kareem Canty who was legit. Canty left the team last Feb after a brushup with Stephen Pearl.

So there should be no excuses next year. Their four top scorers this year are freshman and the other starter is a sophomore.

Like I said earlier, they lose two seniors, but replace them with two top 50 recruits.

And Pearl already has a 5* (#7 overall) committed for 2018.

If they were a stock, they'd be on the "buy" list.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot he had little Pearl on staff, too. Another double standard by the pro-Pearl guys.

(03-02-2017 03:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:07 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:01 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  Bottom line: If Bruce Pearl were to come to Memphis, he'd KILL it here. Of that, I am 100% positive.

Footnote: I'd prefer that Jason Shay be on that staff.

I'm not so sure I believe that anymore.

He's getting 5* to come to Auburn.

In Basketball.

How long does it take, though? Aren't you one of the ones saying it's not that difficult? It's all about the RECRUITS! He's had 3 years. That's a complete roster in a young roster sport.

His first class was not top 25, it was #34. Next 2 classes were top 15. So he's got 3 years worth of his guys - and highly regarded recruits - and he's still #11 in a league that's very top heavy.

In truth, it really is a double standard. Or contradiction, if you prefer.

Auburn should have hired Forbes, he's winning in the Southern conference.

Geez, how much talent does he have down at auburn?

(03-02-2017 12:28 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:45 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Now, now, now, you can't give Pearl a pass, he's coaching at a major school in the SEC with plenty of resources. He's not in some **** hole like Ole Piss or TT, he should have turned it around in 9 months. Barbee had Cal rejects they had to be pretty good.

I just wonder how many of you guys would be screaming for Pearl's head after 9 months.

The national narrative about Memphis is they have to cheat to win. Slime is Memphis.

It's interesting to think about. The double standard some have on here. 10.5 months in, "Tubby is not getting it done!". Three years in, "Next year is Pearl's year!".

Maybe as long as you are perceived to bring in recruits, the winning part of the equation is less important? He's had like 3 top 25 classes at Auburn. You'd think he'd be better than 11th place in the SEC by now.

I think it's an odd perception by some posters to be sure.

Meaning, not many have said Tubby is a loser, specifically because he hasn't gotten it done in 9 months, even though it's almost a year, but if we want to be technical, it's past 9 months as well. More like 10.5 months.

Most fans are mad and frustrated is all. At the lack of urgency towards this season for starters. Throwing players under the bus in his first year, when he FORCED guys to play out of position and max minutes.

And most fans want to see some action - either sign more players or pay Keelon to keep Dedric or whatever it takes, but no more excuses. It's not fully Tubby's fault either - we've had years of excuses and a lot of fans are TIRED of them at this point.

They don't want the usual Memphis drama either.

They don't want to be short-handed again.

They don't want the roster in flux through August.

But whatever...I know I'm having a useless discussion with aliases anyway...BUT criticism does not mean folks think he is a loser after 9 months - that's an imagination figment by the overly defensive.

You're right. It has been more than 9 months. Time flies.

And "loser" has probably not been used. I was just trying to succinctly capture the opinion of you guys with the "Tubby buyout" threads, and the relentless assault on recruiting, and the golden parachute signatures, and the ageism jokes. So I have more accurately rephrased the post above.

Doesn't really change the point of the double standard, but fine.

The thing you're absolutely wrong is the alias comment. You have my word on this - I have only and always posted as Tiger87. Not sure what else I can tell you about that. There are definitely plenty here. As I've been consistent here the past year or so, it's become obvious. But it ain't me.

(03-02-2017 03:28 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:28 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:45 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Now, now, now, you can't give Pearl a pass, he's coaching at a major school in the SEC with plenty of resources. He's not in some **** hole like Ole Piss or TT, he should have turned it around in 9 months. Barbee had Cal rejects they had to be pretty good.

I just wonder how many of you guys would be screaming for Pearl's head after 9 months.

The national narrative about Memphis is they have to cheat to win. Slime is Memphis.

It's interesting to think about. The double standard some have on here. 10.5 months in, "Tubby is not getting it done!". Three years in, "Next year is Pearl's year!".

Maybe as long as you are perceived to bring in recruits, the winning part of the equation is less important? He's had like 3 top 25 classes at Auburn. You'd think he'd be better than 11th place in the SEC by now.

I think it's an odd perception by some posters to be sure.

Meaning, not many have said Tubby is a loser, specifically because he hasn't gotten it done in 9 months, even though it's almost a year, but if we want to be technical, it's past 9 months as well. More like 10.5 months.

Most fans are mad and frustrated is all. At the lack of urgency towards this season for starters. Throwing players under the bus in his first year, when he FORCED guys to play out of position and max minutes.

And most fans want to see some action - either sign more players or pay Keelon to keep Dedric or whatever it takes, but no more excuses. It's not fully Tubby's fault either - we've had years of excuses and a lot of fans are TIRED of them at this point.

They don't want the usual Memphis drama either.

They don't want to be short-handed again.

They don't want the roster in flux through August.

But whatever...I know I'm having a useless discussion with aliases anyway...BUT criticism does not mean folks think he is a loser after 9 months - that's an imagination figment by the overly defensive.

You're right. It has been more than 9 months. Time flies.

And "loser" has probably not been used. I was just trying to succinctly capture the opinion of you guys with the "Tubby buyout" threads, and the relentless assault on recruiting, and the golden parachute signatures, and the ageism jokes. So I have more accurately rephrased the post above.

Doesn't really change the point of the double standard, but fine.

The thing you're absolutely wrong is the alias comment. You have my word on this - I have only and always posted as Tiger87. Not sure what else I can tell you about that. There are definitely plenty here. As I've been consistent here the past year or so, it's become obvious. But it ain't me.

Fair enough.

And there was a recruiting update last night if you haven't heard yet.

Tigers offered a JC PF.

(03-02-2017 03:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 02:55 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:01 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  Bottom line: If Bruce Pearl were to come to Memphis, he'd KILL it here. Of that, I am 100% positive.

Footnote: I'd prefer that Jason Shay be on that staff.

Yea, we know. Shaka would too.

Eh, not so sure.

It was a common opinion. Until it wasn't. Similar to the, "Bruce will kill it anywhere" opinion.

(03-02-2017 03:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:07 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:01 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  Bottom line: If Bruce Pearl were to come to Memphis, he'd KILL it here. Of that, I am 100% positive.

Footnote: I'd prefer that Jason Shay be on that staff.

I'm not so sure I believe that anymore.

He's getting 5* to come to Auburn.

In Basketball.

How long does it take, though? Aren't you one of the ones saying it's not that difficult? It's all about the RECRUITS! He's had 3 years. That's a complete roster in a young roster sport.

His first class was not top 25, it was #34. Next 2 classes were top 15. So he's got 3 years worth of his guys - and highly regarded recruits - and he's still #11 in a league that's very top heavy.

In truth, it really is a double standard. Or contradiction, if you prefer.

I spelled it out pretty well above.

He came in 2014 with a bunch of Barbee's guys on the roster. He only had a couple spots open, one of which was a 2 yr juco.

So, in 2015, he had 4 of 6 leading scorers graduate.

So starts over in year 2 (2015-16) from scratch. One of his three recruits from 2014 leaves school for personal reasons. Team flubs through the year. He brought in a grad xfer who graduates. Cinmeon Bowers graduates. And one of his other recruits decides to leave for the NBA. And one of his top recruits redshirts.


So, again, (going into 2016-17) he loses his top scorers.

So this year (2016-17), for the most part, he's stated four frosh (one of them being the redshirt from 2015) and a sophomore. Barring the unforeseen, he will be returning all of them, plus a transfer from Presbyterian who averaged 20 ppg, and have three reserves who played time this year, plus two top 50 recruits.

The only senior they will have (again barring transfer or issues) is some cat who averages 4.5 ppg and he will be replaced by the #7 overall guy that Bruce has locked up for 2018.

Again, I'd buy that stock.

(03-02-2017 03:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 02:55 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:01 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  Bottom line: If Bruce Pearl were to come to Memphis, he'd KILL it here. Of that, I am 100% positive.

Footnote: I'd prefer that Jason Shay be on that staff.

Yea, we know. Shaka would too.

Eh, not so sure.

It was a common opinion. Until it wasn't. Similar to the, "Bruce will kill it anywhere" opinion.

Well they didn't get it done in 10 months.

(03-02-2017 03:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 02:55 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:01 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  Bottom line: If Bruce Pearl were to come to Memphis, he'd KILL it here. Of that, I am 100% positive.

Footnote: I'd prefer that Jason Shay be on that staff.

Yea, we know. Shaka would too.

Eh, not so sure.

It was a common opinion. Until it wasn't. Similar to the, "Bruce will kill it anywhere" opinion.

Again, not by me.

Trust me, ask Hoopdreams and others about my thoughts on Shaka.

(03-02-2017 03:15 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:07 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:01 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  Bottom line: If Bruce Pearl were to come to Memphis, he'd KILL it here. Of that, I am 100% positive.

Footnote: I'd prefer that Jason Shay be on that staff.

I'm not so sure I believe that anymore.

He's getting 5* to come to Auburn.

In Basketball.

How long does it take, though? Aren't you one of the ones saying it's not that difficult? It's all about the RECRUITS! He's had 3 years. That's a complete roster in a young roster sport.

His first class was not top 25, it was #34. Next 2 classes were top 15. So he's got 3 years worth of his guys - and highly regarded recruits - and he's still #11 in a league that's very top heavy.

In truth, it really is a double standard. Or contradiction, if you prefer.

Auburn should have hired Forbes, he's winning in the Southern conference.

Geez, how much talent does he have down at auburn?

Next year is the year! He's moving from 11th place to 9th!

(03-02-2017 03:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:07 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:01 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  Bottom line: If Bruce Pearl were to come to Memphis, he'd KILL it here. Of that, I am 100% positive.

Footnote: I'd prefer that Jason Shay be on that staff.

I'm not so sure I believe that anymore.

He's getting 5* to come to Auburn.

In Basketball.

How long does it take, though? Aren't you one of the ones saying it's not that difficult? It's all about the RECRUITS! He's had 3 years. That's a complete roster in a young roster sport.

His first class was not top 25, it was #34. Next 2 classes were top 15. So he's got 3 years worth of his guys - and highly regarded recruits - and he's still #11 in a league that's very top heavy.

In truth, it really is a double standard. Or contradiction, if you prefer.

I spelled it out pretty well above.

He came in with a bunch of Barbee's guys on the roster. He only had a couple spots open, one of which was a 2 yr juco.

So he had 4 of 6 leading scorers graduate.

So starts over in year 2 from scratch. One of his three recruits from 2014 leaves school for personal reasons. Team flubs through the year. He brought in a grad xfer who graduates. Cinmeon Bowers graduates. And one of his other recruits decides to leave for the NBA. And one of his top recruits redshirts.


So, again, he loses his top scorers.

So this year, for the most part, he's stated four frosh (one of them being the redshirt from 2015) and a sophomore. Barring the unforeseen, he will be returning all of them, plus a transfer from Presbyterian who averaged 20 ppg, and have three reserves who played time this year, plus two top 50 recruits.

The only senior they will have (again barring transfer or issues) is some cat who averages 4.5 ppg and he will be replaced by the #7 overall guy that Bruce has locked up for 2018.

Again, I'd buy that stock.

Excuses, 10 months

(03-02-2017 03:37 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 02:55 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:01 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  Bottom line: If Bruce Pearl were to come to Memphis, he'd KILL it here. Of that, I am 100% positive.

Footnote: I'd prefer that Jason Shay be on that staff.

Yea, we know. Shaka would too.

Eh, not so sure.

It was a common opinion. Until it wasn't. Similar to the, "Bruce will kill it anywhere" opinion.

Again, not by me.

Trust me, ask Hoopdreams and others about my thoughts on Shaka.

(08-19-2013 12:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 12:33 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Smart is the real deal.

Miller may have the better career though, I think he's about to blast Zona into the stratosphere.

I just haven't come around to that yet (Shaka). He had one good run in the tourney, but other than that he's just been good, not great. His first year, he had a lottery pick (Sanders) and only got to the CBI.

The FF year, they were a play-in team and really could have been excluded from the dance...how would that have affected his star?

The past two years, he's 2-2 in the dance and he has never won his confernce's regular season title.

(04-02-2015 10:47 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 10:28 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  Thanks for your insight

Facts are facts.

I can blind resume a coach:

This coach is in his 30's. He is viewed as young and energetic.

In the last 4 years, this coach has has had his team ranked in the Top 25 in the in three different seasons.

This coach has only finished ranked at the end of the season one time.

This coach has not gotten out of the first weekend any of those years.

This coach has lost at least one NCAA tournament game by more than 20 points to a P5 school.

This coach has also lost at least one NCAA tournament game as the higher seed.

The coach has a losing record vs. P5 schools in that time and has suffered several 15+ losses in that time, including three games in which his team was ranked.

At some point you suckers will recognize.

(03-02-2017 03:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:07 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:01 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  Bottom line: If Bruce Pearl were to come to Memphis, he'd KILL it here. Of that, I am 100% positive.

Footnote: I'd prefer that Jason Shay be on that staff.

I'm not so sure I believe that anymore.

He's getting 5* to come to Auburn.

In Basketball.

How long does it take, though? Aren't you one of the ones saying it's not that difficult? It's all about the RECRUITS! He's had 3 years. That's a complete roster in a young roster sport.

His first class was not top 25, it was #34. Next 2 classes were top 15. So he's got 3 years worth of his guys - and highly regarded recruits - and he's still #11 in a league that's very top heavy.

In truth, it really is a double standard. Or contradiction, if you prefer.

I spelled it out pretty well above.

He came in 2014 with a bunch of Barbee's guys on the roster. He only had a couple spots open, one of which was a 2 yr juco.

So, in 2015, he had 4 of 6 leading scorers graduate.

So starts over in year 2 (2015-16) from scratch. One of his three recruits from 2014 leaves school for personal reasons. Team flubs through the year. He brought in a grad xfer who graduates. Cinmeon Bowers graduates. And one of his other recruits decides to leave for the NBA. And one of his top recruits redshirts.


So, again, (going into 2016-17) he loses his top scorers.

So this year (2016-17), for the most part, he's stated four frosh (one of them being the redshirt from 2015) and a sophomore. Barring the unforeseen, he will be returning all of them, plus a transfer from Presbyterian who averaged 20 ppg, and have three reserves who played time this year, plus two top 50 recruits.

The only senior they will have (again barring transfer or issues) is some cat who averages 4.5 ppg and he will be replaced by the #7 overall guy that Bruce has locked up for 2018.

Again, I'd buy that stock.

If you have to pull-in that many excuses, then I think the point is made.

There's the thing with chasing recruiting. It can be a slippery slope. Results are what matters. He ain't getting it done - no matter the excuses, the recruits, whatever. Maybe he will in year 4.

In fact, that summary reminds me of the Pastner years. So glad they're having to justify and not me.

(03-02-2017 03:37 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:15 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:07 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  I'm not so sure I believe that anymore.

He's getting 5* to come to Auburn.

In Basketball.

How long does it take, though? Aren't you one of the ones saying it's not that difficult? It's all about the RECRUITS! He's had 3 years. That's a complete roster in a young roster sport.

His first class was not top 25, it was #34. Next 2 classes were top 15. So he's got 3 years worth of his guys - and highly regarded recruits - and he's still #11 in a league that's very top heavy.

In truth, it really is a double standard. Or contradiction, if you prefer.

Auburn should have hired Forbes, he's winning in the Southern conference.

Geez, how much talent does he have down at auburn?

Next year is the year! He's moving from 11th place to 9th!

The beauty about all this (like the Shaka stuff above) is that it's documented and can be brought up again.

We'll see.

(03-02-2017 03:12 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:06 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 09:46 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 09:02 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:03 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  SMH

No kidding; the idiots are out in force.......

You know ball's, a girl/boy friend may be able help you with your issue?

One bitter guy's opinion.

Well, Balls, you would know better than I.

One bitter guy's opinion.

(03-02-2017 03:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 03:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:07 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  I'm not so sure I believe that anymore.

He's getting 5* to come to Auburn.

In Basketball.

How long does it take, though? Aren't you one of the ones saying it's not that difficult? It's all about the RECRUITS! He's had 3 years. That's a complete roster in a young roster sport.

His first class was not top 25, it was #34. Next 2 classes were top 15. So he's got 3 years worth of his guys - and highly regarded recruits - and he's still #11 in a league that's very top heavy.

In truth, it really is a double standard. Or contradiction, if you prefer.

I spelled it out pretty well above.

He came in 2014 with a bunch of Barbee's guys on the roster. He only had a couple spots open, one of which was a 2 yr juco.

So, in 2015, he had 4 of 6 leading scorers graduate.

So starts over in year 2 (2015-16) from scratch. One of his three recruits from 2014 leaves school for personal reasons. Team flubs through the year. He brought in a grad xfer who graduates. Cinmeon Bowers graduates. And one of his other recruits decides to leave for the NBA. And one of his top recruits redshirts.


So, again, (going into 2016-17) he loses his top scorers.

So this year (2016-17), for the most part, he's stated four frosh (one of them being the redshirt from 2015) and a sophomore. Barring the unforeseen, he will be returning all of them, plus a transfer from Presbyterian who averaged 20 ppg, and have three reserves who played time this year, plus two top 50 recruits.

The only senior they will have (again barring transfer or issues) is some cat who averages 4.5 ppg and he will be replaced by the #7 overall guy that Bruce has locked up for 2018.

Again, I'd buy that stock.

If you have to pull-in that many excuses, then I think the point is made.

There's the thing with chasing recruiting. It can be a slippery slope. Results are what matters. He ain't getting it done - no matter the excuses, the recruits, whatever. Maybe he will in year 4.

In fact, that summary reminds me of the Pastner years. So glad they're having to justify and not me.

Not justifying anything.

Dude now has a balanced roster with eight returning players including all five starters, a 20 ppg transfer, and two top 50 recruits.

Bottom line: excuse time is over. NCAA or bust. But with that being said, it is easier as a fan to be patient with a couple of disappointing years when all signs are pointing to success.

And...we can revisit this in a year.