The adamant stance against Rowe is a bit much. While I think he is having a learning curve, he is dealing with a hand that was weak and we don't know all his reasons he for his moves that may have sacrificed short term success for long term success (cue Hoosiers).

It's just too early to judge his tenure at this point. Some of this bashing is getting a little old. Unless you can see into the future, you are just guessing like the rest of us. If you want to criticize a specific move he makes, that's what these boards are fun for...second guessing. But as far generalizing the hire as a bust, you've already made your opinion known. Let it play out.

(03-03-2017 09:49 AM)Halz87 Wrote:  The adamant stance against Rowe is a bit much. While I think he is having a learning curve, he is dealing with a hand that was weak and we don't know all his reasons he for his moves that may have sacrificed short term success for long term success (cue Hoosiers).

It's just too early to judge his tenure at this point. Some of this bashing is getting a little old. Unless you can see into the future, you are just guessing like the rest of us. If you want to criticize a specific move he makes, that's what these boards are fun for...second guessing. But as far generalizing the hire as a bust, you've already made your opinion known. Let it play out.

Amen to that. Looking forward to seeing what the guys can do tonight and hopefully thru the weekend.

Just 1 win at the CAAT will be a nice change. Even if being the 7-seed and playing on opening night. Just win, babyyy. Something these seniors have never accomplished at the CAAT.

It's a sad day when we relegate ourselves to having to overachieve to compete with the likes of UNCW and C0fC.

JMU is JMU. We should be out-recruiting everyone in our conference regardless of the facilities. Listen to recruit stories... "loved the campus", "felt at home", "the people are great", etc. Those are the huge reasons athletes choose us.

The Lefty hire proved one thing, investing in the right coach we can compete nationally and stir up massive fan support. In MBB you are what you hire. Rowe may (hopefully) be a diamond in the rough but is it worth the gamble when you trying to revive a program and fund an $88mm project? The concept of ROI just seems to escape these guys.

I certainly expected a better season than this... But its year one. Let us again have this conversation after next season and re-evaluate. Yes we underachieved, yes a lot of that blame falls on the head coach. He knows that, you know that and I know that. Support your Dukes! Hopefully we surprise someone in the tournament, at least give us a little momentum in the off-Season.

GO DUKES!

Barkers predicted 22 wins
I predicted 18 wins

9 wins is bad.

Barkers actually predicted 24 wins...I had remembered him doing that and I just did a search to confirm that. He's been largely quiet this season.

So if you get ESPN Classic in your TV package, on Tuesday March 14th at 3pm EST, they are airing the 1991 NIT first round game at Providence. Unfortunately the Dukes lost 98-93 in 2OT, but I'll be setting my DVR to record this for a trip down memory lane that I never got to experience live.

(03-03-2017 12:26 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Barkers actually predicted 24 wins...I had remembered him doing that and I just did a search to confirm that. He's been largely quiet this season.

Maybe he is (was) Matt Brady

(03-03-2017 01:04 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 12:26 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Barkers actually predicted 24 wins...I had remembered him doing that and I just did a search to confirm that. He's been largely quiet this season.

Maybe he is (was) Matt Brady

If he was I feel like he would have let the secret out a while ago by posting a "SEE! YOU SHOULDNT HAVE FIRED ME!!!" post a few weeks back.

(03-03-2017 09:13 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Unfortunately, NJDuke is very emotional and can't acknowledge the piss poor coaching job this year.
Call a spade a spade.
You are what your record says you are.
The coach = the program.

Suggesting I don't want the team to win or root for them to win is a position based on feelings not fact. And your feelings would be wrong.

I'm having flashbacks of LexDuke and his Dean Keener love. Up until the day he left he was a great guy and just needed more chances to lose. But gee willikers he was such a great guy.
Don't care.
I like Louis Rowe personally and root for him to win, but I do not ignore the mounting evidence against his coaching ability. If you don't win, you can't stay. This is Division -1 basketball and only 350 men get to do the job Rowe has been given.

We should not be in the business of rationalizing pathetic performance in the midst of a drive to fund an $88 million basketball arena so we know this era is even bigger than a normal coaching hire in men's hoops.

Believe it or not, I want to see 4 wins in 4 days so we can celebrate the greatest comeback story in NCAA history. Everybody likes a comeback story

Not too sensitive- just can spot someone who isn't looking at things fairly a mile away. You'd have a point if Lou Rowe took over the successful JMU Women's program with some really talented players returning and laid an egg. You really don't have much of a leg to stand on when Lou Rowe took over the mediocre JMU MBB that was lacking in talent. It's his first season and you never really gave him a chance. It's been a disappointing year but it's clear from your posts that you really don't understand basketball how it is played nor how to evaluate talent.

I'll ask again what qualifies you as an expert on Xs and Os? What are your credentials? Arm Chair Head Coach Hart why did Brady fail so miserably in the CAA Tournament the last couple of years after winning the week before against Hofstra and W&M? Was it that he wasn't listening to the sage advice of Mike Deane (nah)? Was it that he wasn't effective at motivating his players (perhaps)? Was it that he was outcoached (maybe) or was it that his recruiting failures from years past caught up to him relative to the teams he was playing/ ie. he didn't have the horses (yeah probably)?

(03-03-2017 11:04 AM)2Buck Wrote:  It's a sad day when we relegate ourselves to having to overachieve to compete with the likes of UNCW and C0fC.

JMU is JMU. We should be out-recruiting everyone in our conference regardless of the facilities. Listen to recruit stories... "loved the campus", "felt at home", "the people are great", etc. Those are the huge reasons athletes choose us.

The Lefty hire proved one thing, investing in the right coach we can compete nationally and stir up massive fan support. In MBB you are what you hire. Rowe may (hopefully) be a diamond in the rough but is it worth the gamble when you trying to revive a program and fund an $88mm project? The concept of ROI just seems to escape these guys.

I would argue that UNCW and COC have richer basketball histories than JMU- certainly over the last 20 years they do. John Kresse, Jerry Wainwright , Brad Brownell and now Kevin Keatts. Brett Blizzard- the 1990s Charleston team, Charleston even had Bobby Cremins as coach for a while and would made more NCAAs if they hadn't been blocked by conference mate Davidson during that time period.

Those are solid mid major basketball programs- the two best programs among current CAA members historically.

(03-03-2017 11:31 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 11:04 AM)2Buck Wrote:  It's a sad day when we relegate ourselves to having to overachieve to compete with the likes of UNCW and C0fC.

JMU is JMU. We should be out-recruiting everyone in our conference regardless of the facilities. Listen to recruit stories... "loved the campus", "felt at home", "the people are great", etc. Those are the huge reasons athletes choose us.

The Lefty hire proved one thing, investing in the right coach we can compete nationally and stir up massive fan support. In MBB you are what you hire. Rowe may (hopefully) be a diamond in the rough but is it worth the gamble when you trying to revive a program and fund an $88mm project? The concept of ROI just seems to escape these guys.

I would argue that UNCW and COC have richer basketball histories than JMU- certainly over the last 20 years they do. John Kresse, Jerry Wainwright , Brad Brownell and now Kevin Keatts. Brett Blizzard- the 1990s Charleston team, Charleston even had Bobby Cremins as coach for a while and would made more NCAAs if they hadn't been blocked by conference mate Davidson during that time period.

Those are solid mid major basketball programs- the two best programs among current CAA members historically.

97, not that 2Buck needs defending, but right at the beginning he clearly used the word "overachieve". Do you really think that any program in the CAA has (and don't miss my next word) more advantages to building a successful MBB program than does JMU?

UNCW went through a terrible, awful, disgusting period itself and pulled itself out by investing. All 2Buck is saying is invest in the program and we will see a return. Fact: we are paying our MBB HC less than both of these two programs brought to the discussion. As has been pointed out at nausea is that we have a $43M athletic budget and can't scrape up enough to hire a proven HC. We all know that we can, it's that we choose not to.

(03-04-2017 07:22 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 11:31 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 11:04 AM)2Buck Wrote:  It's a sad day when we relegate ourselves to having to overachieve to compete with the likes of UNCW and C0fC.

JMU is JMU. We should be out-recruiting everyone in our conference regardless of the facilities. Listen to recruit stories... "loved the campus", "felt at home", "the people are great", etc. Those are the huge reasons athletes choose us.

The Lefty hire proved one thing, investing in the right coach we can compete nationally and stir up massive fan support. In MBB you are what you hire. Rowe may (hopefully) be a diamond in the rough but is it worth the gamble when you trying to revive a program and fund an $88mm project? The concept of ROI just seems to escape these guys.

I would argue that UNCW and COC have richer basketball histories than JMU- certainly over the last 20 years they do. John Kresse, Jerry Wainwright , Brad Brownell and now Kevin Keatts. Brett Blizzard- the 1990s Charleston team, Charleston even had Bobby Cremins as coach for a while and would made more NCAAs if they hadn't been blocked by conference mate Davidson during that time period.

Those are solid mid major basketball programs- the two best programs among current CAA members historically.

97, not that 2Buck needs defending, but right at the beginning he clearly used the word "overachieve". Do you really think that any program in the CAA has (and don't miss my next word) more advantages to building a successful MBB program than does JMU?

UNCW went through a terrible, awful, disgusting period itself and pulled itself out by investing. All 2Buck is saying is invest in the program and we will see a return. Fact: we are paying our MBB HC less than both of these two programs brought to the discussion. As has been pointed out at nausea is that we have a $43M athletic budget and can't scrape up enough to hire a proven HC. We all know that we can, it's that we choose not to.

Keep in mind the original contract that UNCW signed Keatts to was for $300K base in 2014. They have sign extended him/given him a raise twice based on trips to the NCAA tournament. COC is private so the details of Grant's salary are not available however I'm guessing that his starting salary was similar to what JMU is paying Rowe. He too has since been extended and likely given a raise based on his success.

I get that JMU didn't allocate more to attract a better head coach but Rowe is getting paid at scale. If he is successful he will get a raise. If he isn't he will get fired or not be retained. Either way you give a new coach 3 years + to show what he can do.

We have a tendency to look at things through purple colored glasses because this is a JMU message board and we are JMU alum. I'm not saying that JMU is behind the CAA teams but to say that they have an clear advantage over the others when recruiting for basketball isn't really the case. The other schools have won as much or more than JMU historically, some have better facilities.

I love JMU and the campus and kids when they visit have a great reaction to it but there are other factors and just the same kids can have good reactions to playing by the beach (UNCW or even ODU) or playing in more of a metro area (Towson, Hofstra). The COA disadvantage has been eliminated and they may even have some renderings of a new arena to show along with the great campus but JMU isn't the end all be all in MBB.

I think the prior staff and the current staff has to battle for recruits. Some other JMU programs with a history of winning and better facilities probably have less of a challenge.

(03-04-2017 10:08 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 07:22 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 11:31 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 11:04 AM)2Buck Wrote:  It's a sad day when we relegate ourselves to having to overachieve to compete with the likes of UNCW and C0fC.

JMU is JMU. We should be out-recruiting everyone in our conference regardless of the facilities. Listen to recruit stories... "loved the campus", "felt at home", "the people are great", etc. Those are the huge reasons athletes choose us.

The Lefty hire proved one thing, investing in the right coach we can compete nationally and stir up massive fan support. In MBB you are what you hire. Rowe may (hopefully) be a diamond in the rough but is it worth the gamble when you trying to revive a program and fund an $88mm project? The concept of ROI just seems to escape these guys.

I would argue that UNCW and COC have richer basketball histories than JMU- certainly over the last 20 years they do. John Kresse, Jerry Wainwright , Brad Brownell and now Kevin Keatts. Brett Blizzard- the 1990s Charleston team, Charleston even had Bobby Cremins as coach for a while and would made more NCAAs if they hadn't been blocked by conference mate Davidson during that time period.

Those are solid mid major basketball programs- the two best programs among current CAA members historically.

97, not that 2Buck needs defending, but right at the beginning he clearly used the word "overachieve". Do you really think that any program in the CAA has (and don't miss my next word) more advantages to building a successful MBB program than does JMU?

UNCW went through a terrible, awful, disgusting period itself and pulled itself out by investing. All 2Buck is saying is invest in the program and we will see a return. Fact: we are paying our MBB HC less than both of these two programs brought to the discussion. As has been pointed out at nausea is that we have a $43M athletic budget and can't scrape up enough to hire a proven HC. We all know that we can, it's that we choose not to.

Keep in mind the original contract that UNCW signed Keatts to was for $300K base in 2014. They have sign extended him/given him a raise twice based on trips to the NCAA tournament. COC is private so the details of Grant's salary are not available however I'm guessing that his starting salary was similar to what JMU is paying Rowe. He too has since been extended and likely given a raise based on his success.

I get that JMU didn't allocate more to attract a better head coach but Rowe is getting paid at scale. If he is successful he will get a raise. If he isn't he will get fired or not be retained. Either way you give a new coach 3 years + to show what he can do.

We have a tendency to look at things through purple colored glasses because this is a JMU message board and we are JMU alum. I'm not saying that JMU is behind the CAA teams but to say that they have an clear advantage over the others when recruiting for basketball isn't really the case. The other schools have won as much or more than JMU historically, some have better facilities.

I love JMU and the campus and kids when they visit have a great reaction to it but there are other factors and just the same kids can have good reactions to playing by the beach (UNCW or even ODU) or playing in more of a metro area (Towson, Hofstra). The COA disadvantage has been eliminated and they may even have some renderings of a new arena to show along with the great campus but JMU isn't the end all be all in MBB.

I think the prior staff and the current staff has to battle for recruits. Some other JMU programs with a history of winning and better facilities probably have less of a challenge.

College of Charleston is not private, but rather public just as JMU and Grant's base when signed was $300K. All available on this here World Wide Web.