(03-01-2017 05:10 PM)bulldog23 Wrote:  Somebody post link of mick whining for 2min about tournament seeds being about $$$. Also said maui don't want us back because we don't travel well enough. I wouldn't want you either if you can't make me $$$. I can't post link from my phone but he worth watching.

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Mick Cronin said NCAA tournament seeding is all about money.
Here's his entire 2+ minute explanation. You'll want to watch this. #Bearcats

(03-01-2017 05:10 PM)bulldog23 Wrote:  Somebody post link of mick whining for 2min about tournament seeds being about $$$. Also said maui don't want us back because we don't travel well enough. I wouldn't want you either if you can't make me $$$. I can't post link from my phone but he worth watching.

Are you Tarzan?

(03-01-2017 05:33 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 05:10 PM)bulldog23 Wrote:  Somebody post link of mick whining for 2min about tournament seeds being about $$$. Also said maui don't want us back because we don't travel well enough. I wouldn't want you either if you can't make me $$$. I can't post link from my phone but he worth watching.

Jeremy Rauch‏Verified account
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Mick Cronin said NCAA tournament seeding is all about money.
Here's his entire 2+ minute explanation. You'll want to watch this. #Bearcats

Hey Mick, win a conference championship every once in a while and you might get a better seed. Mick is a hell of a coach, but I get tired of his damn whining.

During the previous 10 seasons UC has won ONE conference regular season title (shared with Louisville) and ZERO conference tournaments.

During the 10 seasons prior to that UC won SEVEN regular season titles and THREE conference tourney titles. Yes, this was prior to the Big East gauntlet.

Winning championships is important to our program regardless of the conference affiliation. It's part of our story of success and hanging banners in the gym is a visual reminder. A deep run in the tournament should be a goal and expectation as well but don't tell me conference championships or conference tournament championships are less important than a sweet sixteen appearance. The AAC still has Memphis, Temple, UConn and SMU together with UC as a core along with an improving Houston and UCF. That's a pretty good league despite the stragglers at the bottom. If you want to be a top program you better aim to win your conference once in a while and throw in a conference tourney too. Depending on several factors, winning the regular season title and winning the conference tourney could improve UC's seed line as well.

(03-01-2017 02:41 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 01:17 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 10:05 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Conference titles matter. How you perform over the full year matters. I'd rather win a conference than win one or two extra tournament games. It's why what Huggins accomplished throughout his time at UC is criminally underrated by some. UC kept winning conference titles even as guys like Crean, Pitino and Calipari got involved. One game and out, anything can happen, but the consistency it takes to keep winning conference titles is a big deal. I'd love to see the program get back to dominating a conference like it did for so long. Hell this conference isn't even at the level old CUSA was. We got closer this year, but a great SMU team seems like it is going to do a little more (a Conference tournament title will make up for it some). We need to make this league UC's, like CUSA used to be.

Winning conference titles only matter as much if the conference is worth winning. As in a P5 conference. Winning a weak 1-2 bid conference will result a collective yawn by most anyone who isn't a UC fan. I believe THAT is why Huggins didn't get the notoriety. Because the C-USA's and GMC were looked down upon. It didn't look like much of a feat to consistently win those conferences. Right wrong or indifferent he was measured by his tournament achievements, because he didn't win P5 titles, only second tier conference titles.

Does it matter more to win a conference title than to make it to the round of 32? Probably. But I'm not so sure it is worth more than making it to the Sweet 16. If you take 2 coaches side by side and one has won a mediocre conference say 8 out of 10 years, but the other has made it to say 5 Sweet 16's in the past 10 years, the second coach will be viewed as more successful. I would imagine if you polled the fans they would prefer the 5 Sweet 16's.

Look no further than our (ahem) friends from across town (XU). In a 10 year span from 2001 -2011 they won 7 conference titles. Do you think anyone (other than their fans) remember or cares about that? No, because it was the A-10. (Even as UC fans we used to laugh at them seemingly getting an automatic bid every year for winning a rinky dink conference). They made their name on a national scale and people took notice because during that same time they went to 4 Sweet 16's and 2 Elite Eights.

Unfortunately, now UC is in that position. Now they just need to make some noise in the tournament.

See I disagree. I think Huggins and the UC program got a ton of notoriety during that time. When I say what Huggs accomplished is criminally underrated, I mean by UC fans around here who undervalue the things that make a strong program besides deep NCAA runs. Nationally I think Huggs always got a ton of respect and the UC program was considered a top ten program for most of his time here. During that time UC was regularly put in big time preseason tournaments and got made for TV matchups. This was because they were so dominant in conference and regularly in the top 10-15 nationally.

XU is a good example. It's a program that gets some respect for their runs, but has never been the focal program UC was under Huggins. I thought last year was the first time Xavier was talked about a ton throughout and really reached the conversation in basketball (outside of for a week or 2 during the NCAA tournament) and that's because Xavier was a top 15 type team playing great basketball. Despite Xavier losing early I think that was the best team X has ever had and the one that was the most nationally relevant.

I somewhat agree that they received the notoriety at the time, but I think Huggs' star dimmed the further and further he got away from his early Final four/Elite 8 appearances at UC. His high seeds and early exits were becoming a National punchline at the end of his career here. The same can probably be said for the reason he was undervalued by the UC fan base. As the seasons went on Conference championships weren't enough to keep folks happy without deep NCAA runs. Which is why a good portion of the fans weren't sad to see him go.

But I digress. The last thing anyone wants to hear/talk about is to re-hash ANOTHER Bob Huggins topic of conversation. But my last point is, Mick isn't doing either right now (Championships or NCAA runs). Therefore the natives are getting restless. And deservedly so.

For the record, I thought C-USA was a darn good (basketball) conference, and never got the respect it deserved. But unfortunately it was still considered 2nd tier by most outsiders.

(03-01-2017 05:59 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 05:33 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 05:10 PM)bulldog23 Wrote:  Somebody post link of mick whining for 2min about tournament seeds being about $$$. Also said maui don't want us back because we don't travel well enough. I wouldn't want you either if you can't make me $$$. I can't post link from my phone but he worth watching.

Jeremy Rauch‏Verified account
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Mick Cronin said NCAA tournament seeding is all about money.
Here's his entire 2+ minute explanation. You'll want to watch this. #Bearcats

Hey Mick, win a conference championship every once in a while and you might get a better seed. Mick is a hell of a coach, but I get tired of his damn whining.

Lord. What exactly did he say?

(03-01-2017 06:37 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 05:59 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 05:33 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 05:10 PM)bulldog23 Wrote:  Somebody post link of mick whining for 2min about tournament seeds being about $$$. Also said maui don't want us back because we don't travel well enough. I wouldn't want you either if you can't make me $$$. I can't post link from my phone but he worth watching.

Jeremy Rauch‏Verified account
@FOX19Jeremy

Mick Cronin said NCAA tournament seeding is all about money.
Here's his entire 2+ minute explanation. You'll want to watch this. #Bearcats

Hey Mick, win a conference championship every once in a while and you might get a better seed. Mick is a hell of a coach, but I get tired of his damn whining.

Lord. What exactly did he say?

In a nutshell talked about the committee moving seeds up and down a line to help create matchups and sell tickets, which I agree they do. Too many made for TV matchups that supposedly just happen by accident. Nothing crazy.

(03-01-2017 08:08 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 06:37 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 05:59 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 05:33 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 05:10 PM)bulldog23 Wrote:  Somebody post link of mick whining for 2min about tournament seeds being about $$$. Also said maui don't want us back because we don't travel well enough. I wouldn't want you either if you can't make me $$$. I can't post link from my phone but he worth watching.

Jeremy Rauch‏Verified account
@FOX19Jeremy

Mick Cronin said NCAA tournament seeding is all about money.
Here's his entire 2+ minute explanation. You'll want to watch this. #Bearcats

Hey Mick, win a conference championship every once in a while and you might get a better seed. Mick is a hell of a coach, but I get tired of his damn whining.

Lord. What exactly did he say?

In a nutshell talked about the committee moving seeds up and down a line to help create matchups and sell tickets, which I agree they do. Too many made for TV matchups that supposedly just happen by accident. Nothing crazy.

Thanks