(03-04-2017 10:02 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 09:17 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 08:59 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Time has run out, this program at best has stagnated, at worst, is beginning the free fall we all dread

Give Coach K credit for turning around a dreadful program from his predecessor but now it's time to move on.

Somewhere there is a Keith Dambrot out there waiting to take Toledo to the next level and to the NCAA.

Great. There's a reason Dambrot has 12 straight 20 win seasons at Akron and is still there.

EMU fan here.. Congratulations on beating EMU last night. I am sure teams have no fear facing EMU's zone which decent coaches have figured out how to beat.

I wanted to answer your question on why Dambrot is still at Akron. He is definitely a very solid coach obviously but he'll never get a P5 job because of his racial slur he used at CMU.

Dambrot has had offers way above his Akron pay. He's got the James' stamp of approval. He's sent assistants on to P5. Any suggestion he couldn't get a p5 job is certainly not "obvious." It's old history.

(03-04-2017 10:32 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 10:02 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 09:17 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 08:59 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Time has run out, this program at best has stagnated, at worst, is beginning the free fall we all dread

Give Coach K credit for turning around a dreadful program from his predecessor but now it's time to move on.

Somewhere there is a Keith Dambrot out there waiting to take Toledo to the next level and to the NCAA.

Great. There's a reason Dambrot has 12 straight 20 win seasons at Akron and is still there.

EMU fan here.. Congratulations on beating EMU last night. I am sure teams have no fear facing EMU's zone which decent coaches have figured out how to beat.

I wanted to answer your question on why Dambrot is still at Akron. He is definitely a very solid coach obviously but he'll never get a P5 job because of his racial slur he used at CMU.

Dambrot has had offers way above his Akron pay. He's got the James' stamp of approval. He's sent assistants on to P5. Any suggestion he couldn't get a p5 job is certainly not "obvious." It's old history.

His racial slur may be old history, but no P5 school is going to hire him because of the racial slur used. The liberal media would have a field day resurrecting the history.

Personally, I think with the coaching staff we have and the players in/coming into the program, the next few years should be Coach K's best shot at the elusive NCAA tournament. That and his contract make it logical to give him a few more years. I can be patient that long but probably not much more than that. Of course, that assumes magic doesn't happen this year.

(03-04-2017 10:47 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 10:32 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 10:02 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 09:17 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 08:59 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Time has run out, this program at best has stagnated, at worst, is beginning the free fall we all dread

Give Coach K credit for turning around a dreadful program from his predecessor but now it's time to move on.

Somewhere there is a Keith Dambrot out there waiting to take Toledo to the next level and to the NCAA.

Great. There's a reason Dambrot has 12 straight 20 win seasons at Akron and is still there.

EMU fan here.. Congratulations on beating EMU last night. I am sure teams have no fear facing EMU's zone which decent coaches have figured out how to beat.

I wanted to answer your question on why Dambrot is still at Akron. He is definitely a very solid coach obviously but he'll never get a P5 job because of his racial slur he used at CMU.

Dambrot has had offers way above his Akron pay. He's got the James' stamp of approval. He's sent assistants on to P5. Any suggestion he couldn't get a p5 job is certainly not "obvious." It's old history.

His racial slur may be old history, but no P5 school is going to hire him because of the racial slur used. The liberal media would have a field day resurrecting the history.

DAMN that "liberal media"!

the media is very nuanced. it's just most of big publications and tv and radio stuff shoved down our throat is right wing, wilted establishment moderate-liberal or (if you look hard enough) there some who adopt a conservative approach to left leaning critiques.

there's as much media social commentary these days as there is news. most people actual pay more attention to pop culture or alt media that are neither journalists nor skilled investigative commentators/writers/tv people.

as for dambrot his situation is also nuanced and to get a nuanced media analysis of it depends on who you read or listen to. he was never accused of being racist or using language in a racially derogatory way. as a young 30 something coach in an intense locker room he used a word spoken openly daily in front of him by most of his team. as a white person he probably shouldn't have used the word but his intent was not derogatory, he tried to use it as affirmation. part of a complex conversation about language and power and how the appropriation of derogatory words can both empower and put down. it dented his career but actually made him grow up and refocus and probably become a much better coach. it also aligned his career at a key moment w lebron. there are plenty of successful coaches who have said derogatory things or used such words about marginalized people, ethnicities, sexualities, etc... who haven't lost jobs over it. bobby knight used to do it regularly

You are either satisfied by mediocrity or you're trying build a program. Simple as that. Time for a new captain.

(03-04-2017 11:41 AM)RocketJeff Wrote:  Personally, I think with the coaching staff we have and the players in/coming into the program, the next few years should be Coach K's best shot at the elusive NCAA tournament. That and his contract make it logical to give him a few more years. I can be patient that long but probably not much more than that. Of course, that assumes magic doesn't happen this year.

This will be the most talent UT will have on the floor in a long time. It would be stupid to pull the plug at this point. Two more seasons would be the max. The # of OT games tell me the Rockets are close to taking the step up. just gotta close those out.




















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(03-05-2017 09:03 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 11:41 AM)RocketJeff Wrote:  Personally, I think with the coaching staff we have and the players in/coming into the program, the next few years should be Coach K's best shot at the elusive NCAA tournament. That and his contract make it logical to give him a few more years. I can be patient that long but probably not much more than that. Of course, that assumes magic doesn't happen this year.

This will be the most talent UT will have on the floor in a long time. It would be stupid to pull the plug at this point. Two more seasons would be the max. The # of OT games tell me the Rockets are close to taking the step up. just gotta close those out.


The incoming talent may be comparable to the Juice/Weatherspoon/Drummond teams, and maybe further back to the Ty Kent/Amos/Pinson years...

















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(03-05-2017 01:46 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(03-05-2017 09:03 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 11:41 AM)RocketJeff Wrote:  Personally, I think with the coaching staff we have and the players in/coming into the program, the next few years should be Coach K's best shot at the elusive NCAA tournament. That and his contract make it logical to give him a few more years. I can be patient that long but probably not much more than that. Of course, that assumes magic doesn't happen this year.

This will be the most talent UT will have on the floor in a long time. It would be stupid to pull the plug at this point. Two more seasons would be the max. The # of OT games tell me the Rockets are close to taking the step up. just gotta close those out.


The incoming talent may be comparable to the Juice/Weatherspoon/Drummond teams, and maybe further back to the Ty Kent/Amos/Pinson years...

















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Wow. You've got two guys that aren't good outside shooters at 2G and WF.

(03-05-2017 03:47 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(03-05-2017 01:46 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(03-05-2017 09:03 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  [quote='RocketJeff' pid='14143425' dateline='1488645690']
Personally, I think with the coaching staff we have and the players in/coming into the program, the next few years should be Coach K's best shot at the elusive NCAA tournament. That and his contract make it logical to give him a few more years. I can be patient that long but probably not much more than that. Of course, that assumes magic doesn't happen this year.

This will be the most talent UT will have on the floor in a long time. It would be stupid to pull the plug at this point. Two more seasons would be the max. The # of OT games tell me the Rockets are close to taking the step up. just gotta close those out.


The incoming talent may be comparable to the Juice/Weatherspoon/Drummond teams, and maybe further back to the Ty Kent/Amos/Pinson years...

Wow. You've got two guys that aren't good outside shooters at 2G and WF.

Rian Pearson wasn't a good outside shooter. Neither Kent nor Amos were good outside shooters. At one point, a couple games back, we had the top 3 three point shooters in conference play in Sanford, Navi and Knapke and all return. Fletcher may be better than any of them and Roberts is a .350 shooter from the arc in his freshman year. We'll be fine from outside. Jackson gives us some explosive athleticism that we haven't had since Weatherspoon and hopefully that will translate into being able to play some D ala Lauf. Rebounding is going to be a concern- we def need another post premiere in a big body like Boothe or Taylor. If that happens the sky's the limit.

It's awfully optimistic to think that next year's team will have more talent on the floor than this year's team (which, after all, was only an average team). You're that confident that the two new players will be better than Williams and Taylor? Those are some pretty high expectations.

(03-05-2017 04:40 PM)Dwight Wrote:  It's awfully optimistic to think that next year's team will have more talent on the floor than this year's team (which, after all, was only an average team). You're that confident that the two new players will be better than Williams and Taylor? Those are some pretty high expectations.

More than two new players- how much would a three-four deep bench have meant this year? Maybe 3-5 more wins, fewer OT. And you may as well count Adway in there as a new player if he shows any of the energy and spark of the last couple games. Again, I predicate any prognostication of success on the addition of a Zac Garber++ pivot man, which is not a sure thing. I think we'll definitely have more scoring options. I also never said we'd be better, although I think we'll do better in the MAC.

(03-05-2017 04:40 PM)Dwight Wrote:  It's awfully optimistic to think that next year's team will have more talent on the floor than this year's team (which, after all, was only an average team). You're that confident that the two new players will be better than Williams and Taylor? Those are some pretty high expectations.

As TK has said, Jackson is a larger version of Pearson, which, any way you slice it = JonJon Williams. T.Fletcher without the bulk, gives us as much, if not more, scoring options than S.Taylor. Hopefully Sanford/Navigato/Knapke's games have developed into their junior/sophmore years, and the guards coming in, are as good as advertised...
Bringing in a legitimate big man to bang underneath will fill the void left by Taylor. The main loss IMO, will be the hustle & grit by Jordan Lauf...

(03-05-2017 05:49 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(03-05-2017 04:40 PM)Dwight Wrote:  It's awfully optimistic to think that next year's team will have more talent on the floor than this year's team (which, after all, was only an average team). You're that confident that the two new players will be better than Williams and Taylor? Those are some pretty high expectations.

As TK has said, Jackson is a larger version of Pearson, which, any way you slice it = JonJon Williams. T.Fletcher without the bulk, gives us as much, if not more, scoring options than S.Taylor. Hopefully Sanford/Navigato/Knapke's games have developed into their junior/sophmore years, and the guards coming in, are as good as advertised...
Bringing in a legitimate big man to bang underneath will fill the void left by Taylor. The main loss IMO, will be the hustle & grit by Jordan Lauf...

Jackson will be a sophomore eligibility-wise, but only a redshirt freshman experience-wise. If you're suggesting that, with one-half year of playing experience plus a year of practice experience he will already be better than Pearson, then I definitely want some of what you're smoking. I wouldn't overly rely on the coach's positive assessment of a guy who hasn't seen the floor yet. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited that Jackson has joined the program. He should be a good player for us. But I'll make the same prediction about next year's team that I made last March about this year's team: we'll be lucky to finish 10-8 in the conference.

(03-05-2017 11:08 PM)Dwight Wrote:  

(03-05-2017 05:49 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(03-05-2017 04:40 PM)Dwight Wrote:  It's awfully optimistic to think that next year's team will have more talent on the floor than this year's team (which, after all, was only an average team). You're that confident that the two new players will be better than Williams and Taylor? Those are some pretty high expectations.

As TK has said, Jackson is a larger version of Pearson, which, any way you slice it = JonJon Williams. T.Fletcher without the bulk, gives us as much, if not more, scoring options than S.Taylor. Hopefully Sanford/Navigato/Knapke's games have developed into their junior/sophmore years, and the guards coming in, are as good as advertised...
Bringing in a legitimate big man to bang underneath will fill the void left by Taylor. The main loss IMO, will be the hustle & grit by Jordan Lauf...

Jackson will be a sophomore eligibility-wise, but only a redshirt freshman experience-wise. If you're suggesting that, with one-half year of playing experience plus a year of practice experience he will already be better than Pearson, then I definitely want some of what you're smoking. I wouldn't overly rely on the coach's positive assessment of a guy who hasn't seen the floor yet. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited that Jackson has joined the program. He should be a good player for us. But I'll make the same prediction about next year's team that I made last March about this year's team: we'll be lucky to finish 10-8 in the conference.

One thing we can most assuredly agree on, is that if TK cannot coach up a Steve Taylor/JonJon Williams or a W.Jackson/T.Fletcher led team (emphasizing defense), you are right, we we will be lucky to finish 10-8 in the conference.

(03-05-2017 11:08 PM)Dwight Wrote:  

(03-05-2017 05:49 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(03-05-2017 04:40 PM)Dwight Wrote:  It's awfully optimistic to think that next year's team will have more talent on the floor than this year's team (which, after all, was only an average team). You're that confident that the two new players will be better than Williams and Taylor? Those are some pretty high expectations.

As TK has said, Jackson is a larger version of Pearson, which, any way you slice it = JonJon Williams. T.Fletcher without the bulk, gives us as much, if not more, scoring options than S.Taylor. Hopefully Sanford/Navigato/Knapke's games have developed into their junior/sophmore years, and the guards coming in, are as good as advertised...
Bringing in a legitimate big man to bang underneath will fill the void left by Taylor. The main loss IMO, will be the hustle & grit by Jordan Lauf...

Jackson will be a sophomore eligibility-wise, but only a redshirt freshman experience-wise. If you're suggesting that, with one-half year of playing experience plus a year of practice experience he will already be better than Pearson, then I definitely want some of what you're smoking. I wouldn't overly rely on the coach's positive assessment of a guy who hasn't seen the floor yet. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited that Jackson has joined the program. He should be a good player for us. But I'll make the same prediction about next year's team that I made last March about this year's team: we'll be lucky to finish 10-8 in the conference.

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