(03-01-2017 09:10 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Tony has spoken often about this team needing balanced scoring, not just Daniel and Omar having big games. I became more a proponent of Tot in the Hofstra loss, seeing the advantages his height gave in seeing the floor, defensive disruption, and rebounding. Cohn, though, is without a doubt who I want with the ball against pressure. The eye test difference for me regarding David, last season versus this year, is he seemed much more effective and consistent last year at putting pressure on the defense with pushing our offense up the court and forcing action before the defense could get set up. It's where we can be so explosive as a team and keep opponents uncomfortable. That's hard to measure in stats. Maybe the difference is not having Terry's added defensive rebounding to give David more of those opportunities, I don't know. If David is able to "drive" the offense this weekend the way he is capable, we will be hard to beat. It takes a lot of the pressure off Daniel and Omar to carry a game, and puts us in better position for the balanced scoring Tony harps on. If he's not able to do that, then Tot's size helps us more in other areas where we have deficiencies.

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That is, by far, Cohn's biggest advantage over Tot. Cohn is the first PG we've had in a long time that doesn't terrify me when we're facing a press. It's not perfect but there have been other seasons where I've been worried we won't see the frontcourt facing a pressing team.

Cohn's points may have decreased compared to last year, but Dixon's have increased (so have the team's). Not sure about you guys, but I'd rather have Dixon taking those extra shots than Cohn. I'm sure Cohn does too since he understands that his role as PG is to facilitate, not be the leading scorer.

(03-01-2017 09:54 AM)tribemike09 Wrote:  Cohn's points may have decreased compared to last year, but Dixon's have increased (so have the team's). Not sure about you guys, but I'd rather have Dixon taking those extra shots than Cohn. I'm sure Cohn does too since he understands that his role as PG is to facilitate, not be the leading scorer.

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(03-01-2017 06:46 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 11:40 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 08:32 PM)Rocco Wrote:  The criticism of Cohn is quite simple, really:




He's regressed offensively and managed to get worse defensively. Tot might be a black hole offensively but he at least tries on defense. W&M really needs 2015 Cohn in the tourney.

The only number that is down significantly from last year is his PPG. His shooting percentages are only down slightly. Most importantly, his assist numbers are nearly identical. So, he's shooting less, but as others have stated we don't need him to score double digits as long as he takes care of the ball. I will say he was more consistent last year, but he's only had a few good games.

Anyway, I responded to 17 because he implied Tot should be starting, not that Cohn was better or worse than last year. Any objective observer recognizes Cohn has earned starter minutes. Any fan appreciates them both and hopes they both come up big in Charleston. Go Tribe.

Last year he scored enough points to complement his assist totals. This year that modest scoring total has gone down to the point that he's a minus player when he's on the court. Not only is he shooting less, he's not shooting as well and not getting to the line nearly as often. His turnover percentage went up as well, so not only is he not scoring as much he's not taking care of the ball as well. His overall production is >100 points lower than last year pending the tourney. One can be a fan yet still acknowledge a player's shortcomings.

So you're saying this team desperately needs Cohn's extra 3 points a game? As noted, Cohn's shooting percentages are down only a fraction from last year, so its not like he's missing more shots, its that he's consciously taking less shots because of the weapons that surround him. As I said, we don't need Cohn scoring double digits, he needs to run the offense and distribute to Dixon, Knight, Omar, and Jack. We have plenty of scorers. The only issues with Cohn this year, is the same issue for the entire team, and that is consistency. If Shaver thought we needed Cohn to score more, David would take more shots. My definition of a fan is not someone who ignores "reality", but someone that chooses to focus on the positive and lift up the team and players. At this point in the season, we're all aware of the team's strengths and weaknesses, no need to dwell on the latter.

(03-01-2017 09:54 AM)tribemike09 Wrote:  Cohn's points may have decreased compared to last year, but Dixon's have increased (so have the team's). Not sure about you guys, but I'd rather have Dixon taking those extra shots than Cohn. I'm sure Cohn does too since he understands that his role as PG is to facilitate, not be the leading scorer.

No one is saying he needs to be the leading scorer. That's a straw man doused in Kool-Aid. What people are saying is that he needs to be more of a factor on offense so that he's not a minus player offensively like he is this season and to counter-balance his weaknesses on defense. This isn't 1964 where you can have a point guard who does nothing but pass. He doesn't create enough baskets for other people to justify the lack of scoring or even trying to score (he's gotten to the line just 48 times this year, compared to 103 times last year). If he truly were focused on facilitating more you'd see an increase in assists/game but that number is exactly the same and his assists/40 minutes is only .1 higher. He's not playing up to last year's standards, both by the eye tests and by the numbers.

Bottom line...when Cohn scores early in a game, especially from deep, it tends to open up the offense for others to go off. Otherwise, defenders sag off of him, which makes it harder on Dixon and the rest to create space to score at will.

(03-01-2017 11:45 AM)Tribester Wrote:  Bottom line...when Cohn scores early in a game, especially from deep, it tends to open up the offense for others to go off. Otherwise, defenders sag off of him, which makes it harder on Dixon and the rest to create space to score at will.

Very accurate statement and why I wish Cohn would look to score more when he drives it (he is usually pretty good with that turn around jumper) as opposed to always passing it. There are times where he drives to the hoop and the person guarding him literally leaves him to guard somebody else because they don't think he will shoot.

In my opinion, Cohn's decline is more about the team running the offense. In fairness, he sometimes creates the problem. Last year's team relied on the offense. This year it seems like one or another player ducks his head and drives to the basket or someone jacks up a three in transition. We're not the Golden State Warriors.

My original prediction that Cohn would have a good tournament was because I have faith that Tony will be able to drill into their skulls that running the offense is when we win, and one on one hoops is when we lose.