(02-27-2017 01:04 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Good short take by Mark G. (beat writer) on season and fan base this season referring to a possible 4 game run in conference tourney:

This, of course, is the optimistic view of the hole Memphis now finds itself. It is one loss away from dropping five straight games for the first time since 2000, and the variance in play from game-to-game and even minute-to-minute are becoming increasingly distressing for a fan base yearning for immediate gratification.

This

(02-27-2017 01:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 10:08 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:40 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Idiotic thread... Tubby needs more time to rebuild the program.. Pastner destroyed Memphis basketball.. Make us irrelevant.

I thought Cal nuked the program?

So Pastner "left behind" a McDAA (oh and the AAC Preseason POY) and three other top 100 recruits. That is destroying the program?

Good lord people.

Cal didn't leave a bunch of proven players...But the program and the brand was at an all time high...

Josh left less proven players with the program and the brand at one it's lower points.

Is it easier to recruit to a school that just came off the winningest streak in history or one that hasn't made it to the postseason in two years.

The Memphis "brand" Cal left was in Top 10 according to those who cover CBB

Should have hired Steve Forbes.

(02-27-2017 01:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 10:08 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:40 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Idiotic thread... Tubby needs more time to rebuild the program.. Pastner destroyed Memphis basketball.. Make us irrelevant.

I thought Cal nuked the program?

So Pastner "left behind" a McDAA (oh and the AAC Preseason POY) and three other top 100 recruits. That is destroying the program?

Good lord people.

Cal didn't leave a bunch of proven players...But the program and the brand was at an all time high...

Josh left less proven players with the program and the brand at one it's lower points.

Is it easier to recruit to a school that just came off the winningest streak in history or one that hasn't made it to the postseason in two years.

But this isn't some unproven 3rd assistant.

One would thing the "hall of fame coach" would have some stroke.

Basically, still comes down to this: Memphis doesn't have an extended bench because Tubby didn't get more players.

Memphis/Tubby take care of games they SHOULD have won (home vs. Monmouth when up by 12, Tulsa, home vs. Temple, up 17 on UConn) and they would be 22-7 with an rpi in the 50's. Likely in the tourney or strong bubble.

Getting back in the tourney would have been HUGE for fan excitement, recruiting, and all that jazz.

I don't think we're asking for miracles to hold 12 point second half leads to Monmouth, or to win a home game vs. a team that is 4-11 vs. the rest of the AAC, or to hold a 17 point lead vs. a team having a disappointing year.

(02-27-2017 01:18 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 10:08 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:40 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Idiotic thread... Tubby needs more time to rebuild the program.. Pastner destroyed Memphis basketball.. Make us irrelevant.

I thought Cal nuked the program?

So Pastner "left behind" a McDAA (oh and the AAC Preseason POY) and three other top 100 recruits. That is destroying the program?

Good lord people.

Cal didn't leave a bunch of proven players...But the program and the brand was at an all time high...

Josh left less proven players with the program and the brand at one it's lower points.

Is it easier to recruit to a school that just came off the winningest streak in history or one that hasn't made it to the postseason in two years.

But this isn't some unproven 3rd assistant.

One would thing the "hall of fame coach" would have some stroke.

Basically, still comes down to this: Memphis doesn't have an extended bench because Tubby didn't get more players.

Memphis/Tubby take care of games they SHOULD have won (home vs. Monmouth when up by 12, Tulsa, home vs. Temple, up 17 on UConn) and they would be 22-7 with an rpi in the 50's. Likely in the tourney or strong bubble.

Getting back in the tourney would have been HUGE for fan excitement, recruiting, and all that jazz.

You spelled YUGE wrong

(02-27-2017 01:20 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:18 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 10:08 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:40 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Idiotic thread... Tubby needs more time to rebuild the program.. Pastner destroyed Memphis basketball.. Make us irrelevant.

I thought Cal nuked the program?

So Pastner "left behind" a McDAA (oh and the AAC Preseason POY) and three other top 100 recruits. That is destroying the program?

Good lord people.

Cal didn't leave a bunch of proven players...But the program and the brand was at an all time high...

Josh left less proven players with the program and the brand at one it's lower points.

Is it easier to recruit to a school that just came off the winningest streak in history or one that hasn't made it to the postseason in two years.

But this isn't some unproven 3rd assistant.

One would thing the "hall of fame coach" would have some stroke.

Basically, still comes down to this: Memphis doesn't have an extended bench because Tubby didn't get more players.

Memphis/Tubby take care of games they SHOULD have won (home vs. Monmouth when up by 12, Tulsa, home vs. Temple, up 17 on UConn) and they would be 22-7 with an rpi in the 50's. Likely in the tourney or strong bubble.

Getting back in the tourney would have been HUGE for fan excitement, recruiting, and all that jazz.

You spelled YUGE wrong

(02-27-2017 01:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 10:08 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:40 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Idiotic thread... Tubby needs more time to rebuild the program.. Pastner destroyed Memphis basketball.. Make us irrelevant.

I thought Cal nuked the program?

So Pastner "left behind" a McDAA (oh and the AAC Preseason POY) and three other top 100 recruits. That is destroying the program?

Good lord people.

Cal didn't leave a bunch of proven players...But the program and the brand was at an all time high...

Josh left less proven players with the program and the brand at one it's lower points.

Is it easier to recruit to a school that just came off the winningest streak in history or one that hasn't made it to the postseason in two years.

Although, Pastner did leave Nick Marshall and had signed Charlie Moore, who's playing almost 30 minutes a game for Cal and averaging around 13 pts. If (always "if") we could have kept those guys, it could have been a better year. Tubby will be here for a while, so there's really no point in doing anything other than wishing him luck in recruiting. There are big holes in this team and, if Lawson goes, they'll be even bigger. The CA beat writer seems to think Tubby's coaches are hard at work recruiting and I sure hope they're right.

(02-27-2017 01:18 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 10:08 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:40 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Idiotic thread... Tubby needs more time to rebuild the program.. Pastner destroyed Memphis basketball.. Make us irrelevant.

I thought Cal nuked the program?

So Pastner "left behind" a McDAA (oh and the AAC Preseason POY) and three other top 100 recruits. That is destroying the program?

Good lord people.

Cal didn't leave a bunch of proven players...But the program and the brand was at an all time high...

Josh left less proven players with the program and the brand at one it's lower points.

Is it easier to recruit to a school that just came off the winningest streak in history or one that hasn't made it to the postseason in two years.

But this isn't some unproven 3rd assistant.

One would thing the "hall of fame coach" would have some stroke.

Basically, still comes down to this: Memphis doesn't have an extended bench because Tubby didn't get more players.

Memphis/Tubby take care of games they SHOULD have won (home vs. Monmouth when up by 12, Tulsa, home vs. Temple, up 17 on UConn) and they would be 22-7 with an rpi in the 50's. Likely in the tourney or strong bubble.

Getting back in the tourney would have been HUGE for fan excitement, recruiting, and all that jazz.

I don't think we're asking for miracles to hold 12 point second half leads to Monmouth, or to win a home game vs. a team that is 4-11 vs. the rest of the AAC, or to hold a 17 point lead vs. a team having a disappointing year.

^^THIS^^

(02-27-2017 08:16 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  It is really getting hard to distinguish these new posters from TubbyTime

Yep. Jo..I mean Tina are one in the same.

Look for a third soon. Scared of the ban hammer, yet posts the same stuff.

#slickslow

(02-27-2017 12:46 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 07:27 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:44 AM)JMSTiger Wrote:  I tried to tell you people. Tubby was a disastrous hire. He is just mailing it in. And while he is sitting back and collecting his millions, this program is getting driven to extinction. What a mess.

If he planned on mailing it in why did he not stay at TTU? Where he was loved and already set up?

This is an easy one to answer. Basically all aspects of both jobs are the same, except for one HUGE difference. Memphis (the city) is known as a hotbed of talent, always has been. Tubby's one knock has always been his unwillingness to recruit. Now he has a ready-made recruiting base right under his nose. Recruiting problem solved.


Only problem: It's a myth. Not my words, straight from Cal's mouth.

Tubby is NOT going to pay the Memphis High School coach's to recruit here and I don't blame him.

(02-27-2017 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:38 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:31 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:29 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Yup. Gonna take a long time to rebuild what Opie tore down.

Four top 100 guys on the roster?

Interesting.

How many on the bench doe? Interesting. The cupboard is dry. He needs time. It took Cal 5 seasons. It took Opie 8 to prove he couldn't do it.

Tubbs has gotten a lot out of what he has. With no bench they run out of gas. ''Tis what it is.

Whose fault is that?

He has Clergeot, Kessee, Randall, and Chad off the bench.

We've been through this a lot. Many, many CBB schools play a real rotation of 7-8 players tops.

And of course, when Beard took over TT, he had 5 scholarship players left from Tubby's team (three starters, two bench). Beard brought in five players--and he was hired (obviously) AFTER Tubby to Tech.

Beard has done a PHENOMONAL job @ TT

If Beard was the coach at Memphis. You and Salukiblue along with some others would be calling for his head. 11 of his wins have been OOC teams that have lost a total of 176 games. I'll will give credit for beating WV and Baylor. His record is 17-12 and Conf, is 5-12. I am not happy with our results this year either but to say he was the wrong hire after one season is insane.

(02-27-2017 01:36 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:38 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:31 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Four top 100 guys on the roster?

Interesting.

How many on the bench doe? Interesting. The cupboard is dry. He needs time. It took Cal 5 seasons. It took Opie 8 to prove he couldn't do it.

Tubbs has gotten a lot out of what he has. With no bench they run out of gas. ''Tis what it is.

Whose fault is that?

He has Clergeot, Kessee, Randall, and Chad off the bench.

We've been through this a lot. Many, many CBB schools play a real rotation of 7-8 players tops.

And of course, when Beard took over TT, he had 5 scholarship players left from Tubby's team (three starters, two bench). Beard brought in five players--and he was hired (obviously) AFTER Tubby to Tech.

Beard has done a PHENOMONAL job @ TT

If Beard was the coach at Memphis. You and Salukiblue along with some others would be calling for his head. 11 of his wins have been OOC teams that have lost a total of 176 games. I'll will give credit for beating WV and Baylor. His record is 17-12 and Conf, is 5-12. I am not happy with our results this year either but to say he was the wrong hire after one season is insane.

Link?

(02-27-2017 01:16 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Should have hired Steve Forbes.

Will be interesting to see if he gets a better job after this year.

(02-27-2017 01:50 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:36 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:38 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  How many on the bench doe? Interesting. The cupboard is dry. He needs time. It took Cal 5 seasons. It took Opie 8 to prove he couldn't do it.

Tubbs has gotten a lot out of what he has. With no bench they run out of gas. ''Tis what it is.

Whose fault is that?

He has Clergeot, Kessee, Randall, and Chad off the bench.

We've been through this a lot. Many, many CBB schools play a real rotation of 7-8 players tops.

And of course, when Beard took over TT, he had 5 scholarship players left from Tubby's team (three starters, two bench). Beard brought in five players--and he was hired (obviously) AFTER Tubby to Tech.

Beard has done a PHENOMONAL job @ TT

If Beard was the coach at Memphis. You and Salukiblue along with some others would be calling for his head. 11 of his wins have been OOC teams that have lost a total of 176 games. I'll will give credit for beating WV and Baylor. His record is 17-12 and Conf, is 5-12. I am not happy with our results this year either but to say he was the wrong hire after one season is insane.

Link?

A link for an opinion?

(02-27-2017 01:51 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:50 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:36 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Whose fault is that?

He has Clergeot, Kessee, Randall, and Chad off the bench.

We've been through this a lot. Many, many CBB schools play a real rotation of 7-8 players tops.

And of course, when Beard took over TT, he had 5 scholarship players left from Tubby's team (three starters, two bench). Beard brought in five players--and he was hired (obviously) AFTER Tubby to Tech.

Beard has done a PHENOMONAL job @ TT

If Beard was the coach at Memphis. You and Salukiblue along with some others would be calling for his head. 11 of his wins have been OOC teams that have lost a total of 176 games. I'll will give credit for beating WV and Baylor. His record is 17-12 and Conf, is 5-12. I am not happy with our results this year either but to say he was the wrong hire after one season is insane.

Link?

A link for an opinion?

Looks like he's stating fact there.

If Beard came in and did what he did over the summer at Tech (bring in five guys and land the two transfers for the 17-18 season) I would have a good gauge as to his investment in the program.

Beard obviously has a much tougher conference schedule and has fared better in the "beat teams you are better than" category than Memphis has this year.

But whatever.

(02-27-2017 01:36 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:38 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:31 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Four top 100 guys on the roster?

Interesting.

How many on the bench doe? Interesting. The cupboard is dry. He needs time. It took Cal 5 seasons. It took Opie 8 to prove he couldn't do it.

Tubbs has gotten a lot out of what he has. With no bench they run out of gas. ''Tis what it is.

Whose fault is that?

He has Clergeot, Kessee, Randall, and Chad off the bench.

We've been through this a lot. Many, many CBB schools play a real rotation of 7-8 players tops.

And of course, when Beard took over TT, he had 5 scholarship players left from Tubby's team (three starters, two bench). Beard brought in five players--and he was hired (obviously) AFTER Tubby to Tech.

Beard has done a PHENOMONAL job @ TT

If Beard was the coach at Memphis. You and Salukiblue along with some others would be calling for his head. 11 of his wins have been OOC teams that have lost a total of 176 games. I'll will give credit for beating WV and Baylor. His record is 17-12 and Conf, is 5-12. I am not happy with our results this year either but to say he was the wrong hire after one season is insane.

I thought he was the wrong hire after zero years.... How this year's recruiting class turns out will be huge.

I don't believe Tubby is mailing it in, but his unwillingness to really roll up his sleeves and recruit confirms my worst fears about this hire. As has been said many times on this board, a roster full of 2 and 3 stars that sneaks into the NCAA tourney in year 3 or 4 is not my definition of success.

And yes we should have hired Forbes or Beard....both were high on my list.

(02-27-2017 02:03 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:51 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:50 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:36 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  Beard has done a PHENOMONAL job @ TT

If Beard was the coach at Memphis. You and Salukiblue along with some others would be calling for his head. 11 of his wins have been OOC teams that have lost a total of 176 games. I'll will give credit for beating WV and Baylor. His record is 17-12 and Conf, is 5-12. I am not happy with our results this year either but to say he was the wrong hire after one season is insane.

Link?

A link for an opinion?

Looks like he's stating fact there.

If Beard came in and did what he did over the summer at Tech (bring in five guys and land the two transfers for the 17-18 season) I would have a good gauge as to his investment in the program.

Beard obviously has a much tougher conference schedule and has fared better in the "beat teams you are better than" category than Memphis has this year.

But whatever.

So how's Beard doing against what Tubby did at TT last year? Lot of the same players plus all of the recruits Beard brought in, should be doing much better than Tubby, right?

(02-27-2017 02:31 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Lot of the same players plus all of the recruits Beard brought in, should be doing much better than Tubby, right?

Wait a minute. The excuse for Tubby is it's his first year at Memphis, but Beard (in only his SECOND season as a DI coach and FIRST season on the job at TT) doesn't get the same leniency? Weird-o-rama, but okay. I guess some folks will spin anything to "win" an argument or feel better about their life.

(02-27-2017 02:31 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  So how's Beard doing against what Tubby did at TT last year?

Anyway:

Beard is currently 17-12, 5-11 in the B12. 3 top 25 wins.

Same point last year, Tubby was 18-10 and 8-8. Believe he had 5 top 25 wins.

About the same overall record, not as good in the league.

I'm not going to research if the B12 grades out better/worse this year vs. last.

The main point wasn't who was a better floor coach though.

It was about hustling to fill your roster.

(02-27-2017 02:31 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 02:03 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:51 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:50 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:36 PM)2tigers Wrote:  If Beard was the coach at Memphis. You and Salukiblue along with some others would be calling for his head. 11 of his wins have been OOC teams that have lost a total of 176 games. I'll will give credit for beating WV and Baylor. His record is 17-12 and Conf, is 5-12. I am not happy with our results this year either but to say he was the wrong hire after one season is insane.

Link?

A link for an opinion?

Looks like he's stating fact there.

If Beard came in and did what he did over the summer at Tech (bring in five guys and land the two transfers for the 17-18 season) I would have a good gauge as to his investment in the program.

Beard obviously has a much tougher conference schedule and has fared better in the "beat teams you are better than" category than Memphis has this year.

But whatever.

So how's Beard doing against what Tubby did at TT last year? Lot of the same players plus all of the recruits Beard brought in, should be doing much better than Tubby, right?

Looks like they are on pace to win one less regular season game than last year.

Beard is 3-4 vs. ranked teams this year.

Tubby was 3-7 last year.