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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
calm down, keep low expectation, we still can make noise in CUSA.
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OldOwl
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
Looks like a repeat like last year, starting out slow again. Seem like we would figure it out by now.
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
Even before the obigatory debacle of an inning (3 wild pitches, 3 errors, one walk, one hits batter, 3 weak singles), the pitching was a disaster. As good as Canterino and Esquivel looked vs. UT, they were that bad this afternoon. Almost all the damage was done on 0-2 or 1-2 counts where we then grooved a pitch up in the zone. Even SELA's outs were hit hard those first 6 innings. Matt and Zach left everything up in the zone. They simply could not locate their pitches today...at all.
(This post was last modified: 02-26-2017 08:52 PM by waltgreenberg.)
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
Karlgaard is going to have to do a lot of soul searching this summer bout the decline of two of our top three sports under his watch. Still early in baseball, but looks like another season filled with excuses, a regional exit (or potentially missing the tournament entirely, the way we are playing so far) and no tangible action by the AD to stop this decade-long slide.
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
(02-26-2017 11:56 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Karlgaard is going to have to do a lot of soul searching this summer bout the decline of two of our top three sports under his watch. Still early in baseball, but looks like another season filled with excuses, a regional exit (or potentially missing the tournament entirely, the way we are playing so far) and no tangible action by the AD to stop this decade-long slide.
Who's making excuses, and what are they?
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
Are Gray's grades too low, or does he have an honor code problem? Hard to believe it would be grades when the semester just started...?
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02-27-2017 12:13 AM |
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
It depresses me that we lost OG's logical successor to UT. That will haunt this program for years to come.
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02-27-2017 11:27 AM |
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
(02-27-2017 11:27 AM)CanadianOwl Wrote: It depresses me that we lost OG's logical successor to UT. That will haunt this program for years to come.
Worth noting that a Parliamentarian who is very close to the program and is likely knowledgable in these matters expressed the opinion that Pierce was not interested in coming back to Rice. I think this was around the time he was hired by Tulane.
One bad week happens. Hopefully this was Rice's one bad week for the year. Both opponents were decent, but going 1-3 when all the games were at home ...
(This post was last modified: 02-27-2017 11:34 AM by mrbig.)
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
(02-27-2017 11:27 AM)CanadianOwl Wrote: It depresses me that we lost OG's logical successor to UT. That will haunt this program for years to come.
As mentioned here before I'd take a look at the SELA coach. If he can turn that program into one that comes and beats up on us at home he deserves a look. Plus he's a Tulane grad from when they were successful if I remember correctly.
Currently we are the what 6th or 7th or 8th best team in Texas. Sadly we would be 4th or 5th in Louisiana too (ULL and LSU definitely, LaTech beat us last year, SELA beat us at home this year, Tulane id say is a toss up).
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
(02-26-2017 11:56 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Karlgaard is going to have to do a lot of soul searching this summer bout the decline of two of our top three sports under his watch. Still early in baseball, but looks like another season filled with excuses, a regional exit (or potentially missing the tournament entirely, the way we are playing so far) and no tangible action by the AD to stop this decade-long slide.
What are his degrees of freedom? should there be a bigger recruiting budget? do you want a coaching change?
Not sure what all AD's can do except hire coaches, build facilities and run ticket sales.
Our facility is first class
Our coach is a legend
We sell a lot of tickets (and I don't think you are worried about tickets as much as you are about wins and losses).
We are in that perhaps risky zone of a coach approaching old age whom everyone believes is entitled to "go out on his own terms"
I can't think of a situation where that ended well, but there probably is one. Hard to recall now, but John Wooden actually left UCLA at 65. OG was 67 when we won the title in 2003.
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
(02-27-2017 12:39 PM)MemOwl Wrote: (02-26-2017 11:56 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Karlgaard is going to have to do a lot of soul searching this summer bout the decline of two of our top three sports under his watch. Still early in baseball, but looks like another season filled with excuses, a regional exit (or potentially missing the tournament entirely, the way we are playing so far) and no tangible action by the AD to stop this decade-long slide.
What are his degrees of freedom? should there be a bigger recruiting budget? do you want a coaching change?
Not sure what all AD's can do except hire coaches, build facilities and run ticket sales.
Our facility is first class
Our coach is a legend
We sell a lot of tickets (and I don't think you are worried about tickets as much as you are about wins and losses).
We are in that perhaps risky zone of a coach approaching old age whom everyone believes is entitled to "go out on his own terms"
I can't think of a situation where that ended well, but there probably is one. Hard to recall now, but John Wooden actually left UCLA at 65. OG was 67 when we won the title in 2003.
Other teams don't bow down and give us a W because our coach is a legend. I'm sure WG is still fine at in game decisions but we've been passed up in on the field performance by a ton of schools in the last 5 years. As you said we can't blame facilities here, ours are top notch and getting better. I won't be surprised if we don't win conference again this year (and I think Wayne should step down if that's the case).
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
I was impressed by how well SeLa played. Obviously well coached and they executed as required, when required.
Two that struck me were:
* Multiple successful run-and-hit at bats
* Outfielders deeking Rice baserunners into thinking the ball would be caught costing potential bases.
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02-27-2017 02:06 PM |
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
In addition the the SELA coach I would look at the DBU coach as well. Of course it seems a natural to think that Pope is the already chosen successor.
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02-27-2017 02:19 PM |
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
For comparison, the team began the 2016 baseball season 3 - 5, including the Minute Maid debacle (0-3). So, we're no worse off, (wins & losses wise) than at this point last year. Rice schedules very tough competition before beginning conference play and it shows. These next two weeks the staff and players will be up against some very good competition. I will admit it's discouraging to watch the team struggle. Go Owls!
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02-27-2017 02:23 PM |
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
I'm as disappointed in the start as anyone, but then I think back to last year's Regional and how well the Owls played. I think this team is much better than last year's. I will be surprised if, by the end of the first third of the season, the team is not clicking in all phases.
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02-27-2017 02:28 PM |
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
Perfect opportunity to right the ship tomorrow. A win over TCU would quiet talk of a coaching change for at least 12 hours.
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02-27-2017 02:31 PM |
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
(02-27-2017 12:39 PM)MemOwl Wrote: (02-26-2017 11:56 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Karlgaard is going to have to do a lot of soul searching this summer bout the decline of two of our top three sports under his watch. Still early in baseball, but looks like another season filled with excuses, a regional exit (or potentially missing the tournament entirely, the way we are playing so far) and no tangible action by the AD to stop this decade-long slide.
What are his degrees of freedom? should there be a bigger recruiting budget? do you want a coaching change?
Not sure what all AD's can do except hire coaches, build facilities and run ticket sales.
Our facility is first class
Our coach is a legend
We sell a lot of tickets (and I don't think you are worried about tickets as much as you are about wins and losses).
We are in that perhaps risky zone of a coach approaching old age whom everyone believes is entitled to "go out on his own terms"
I can't think of a situation where that ended well, but there probably is one. Hard to recall now, but John Wooden actually left UCLA at 65. OG was 67 when we won the title in 2003.
What part of our facility makes it first class? Sure, the new scoreboard is great, but our marketing team needs to improve tremendously on making it more fun for the fans.
Take a look at UT, A&M, UH, TCU, or hell even Texas Tech's locker room try to convince youself ours is nicer. Reckling Park needs a lot of updating.
Unfortunately, that is a much greater factor now than it ever has been. If you compare TCU baseball to Rice baseball, I think one of the only advantages Rice has over TCU is education. Obviously in the long run, nothing is more important than that. That is what makes Rice so special. But not all kids are thinking that way when they are being recruited. Luken Baker for example. Why wouldn't he go to a school like TCU when he knows he will be drafted in three years? Go there, have more fun, and enjoy the first class facilities.
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
(02-27-2017 03:06 PM)curve Wrote: (02-27-2017 12:39 PM)MemOwl Wrote: (02-26-2017 11:56 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Karlgaard is going to have to do a lot of soul searching this summer bout the decline of two of our top three sports under his watch. Still early in baseball, but looks like another season filled with excuses, a regional exit (or potentially missing the tournament entirely, the way we are playing so far) and no tangible action by the AD to stop this decade-long slide.
What are his degrees of freedom? should there be a bigger recruiting budget? do you want a coaching change?
Not sure what all AD's can do except hire coaches, build facilities and run ticket sales.
Our facility is first class
Our coach is a legend
We sell a lot of tickets (and I don't think you are worried about tickets as much as you are about wins and losses).
We are in that perhaps risky zone of a coach approaching old age whom everyone believes is entitled to "go out on his own terms"
I can't think of a situation where that ended well, but there probably is one. Hard to recall now, but John Wooden actually left UCLA at 65. OG was 67 when we won the title in 2003.
What part of our facility makes it first class? Sure, the new scoreboard is great, but our marketing team needs to improve tremendously on making it more fun for the fans.
Take a look at UT, A&M, UH, TCU, or hell even Texas Tech's locker room try to convince youself ours is nicer. Reckling Park needs a lot of updating.
Unfortunately, that is a much greater factor now than it ever has been. If you compare TCU baseball to Rice baseball, I think one of the only advantages Rice has over TCU is education. Obviously in the long run, nothing is more important than that. That is what makes Rice so special. But not all kids are thinking that way when they are being recruited. Luken Baker for example. Why wouldn't he go to a school like TCU when he knows he will be drafted in three years? Go there, have more fun, and enjoy the first class facilities.
EXACTLY! I've been trying to make this point for a while now. This applies to baseball, but is even more true for football and basketball.
Why should I go to Rice when the only thing better is the education? If I go into a interview at age 25 for a consulting or banking job in Houston, and I had a 3.8 GPA in finance at Texas while playing football, nobody is going to be saying "Why did you go to Texas instead of [Rice, Harvard, Yale, etc.]?" Instead, they are going to be like "Damn, I wish I could've played football at Texas, that's every kid's dream growing up [At least before they started sucking]."
Now, whether most athletes at UT, A&M, etc. end up having 3.8 GPAs in finance is a different topic, but I don't think (all things being equal) that Student-Athlete (especially in a revenue sport) in competitive major from big state school is at much of a disadvantage to Rice Student-Athlete with the same major in the work force.
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
(02-27-2017 05:06 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: (02-27-2017 03:06 PM)curve Wrote: (02-27-2017 12:39 PM)MemOwl Wrote: (02-26-2017 11:56 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Karlgaard is going to have to do a lot of soul searching this summer bout the decline of two of our top three sports under his watch. Still early in baseball, but looks like another season filled with excuses, a regional exit (or potentially missing the tournament entirely, the way we are playing so far) and no tangible action by the AD to stop this decade-long slide.
What are his degrees of freedom? should there be a bigger recruiting budget? do you want a coaching change?
Not sure what all AD's can do except hire coaches, build facilities and run ticket sales.
Our facility is first class
Our coach is a legend
We sell a lot of tickets (and I don't think you are worried about tickets as much as you are about wins and losses).
We are in that perhaps risky zone of a coach approaching old age whom everyone believes is entitled to "go out on his own terms"
I can't think of a situation where that ended well, but there probably is one. Hard to recall now, but John Wooden actually left UCLA at 65. OG was 67 when we won the title in 2003.
What part of our facility makes it first class? Sure, the new scoreboard is great, but our marketing team needs to improve tremendously on making it more fun for the fans.
Take a look at UT, A&M, UH, TCU, or hell even Texas Tech's locker room try to convince youself ours is nicer. Reckling Park needs a lot of updating.
Unfortunately, that is a much greater factor now than it ever has been. If you compare TCU baseball to Rice baseball, I think one of the only advantages Rice has over TCU is education. Obviously in the long run, nothing is more important than that. That is what makes Rice so special. But not all kids are thinking that way when they are being recruited. Luken Baker for example. Why wouldn't he go to a school like TCU when he knows he will be drafted in three years? Go there, have more fun, and enjoy the first class facilities.
EXACTLY! I've been trying to make this point for a while now. This applies to baseball, but is even more true for football and basketball.
Why should I go to Rice when the only thing better is the education? If I go into a interview at age 25 for a consulting or banking job in Houston, and I had a 3.8 GPA in finance at Texas while playing football, nobody is going to be saying "Why did you go to Texas instead of [Rice, Harvard, Yale, etc.]?" Instead, they are going to be like "Damn, I wish I could've played football at Texas, that's every kid's dream growing up [At least before they started sucking]."
Now, whether most athletes at UT, A&M, etc. end up having 3.8 GPAs in finance is a different topic, but I don't think (all things being equal) that Student-Athlete (especially in a revenue sport) in competitive major from big state school is at much of a disadvantage to Rice Student-Athlete with the same major in the work force.
Only in the sense that if you're likelihood of graduating is 90% at Rice, and 55% at UT, or less at other schools, that gets factored in.
But in terms of the point you're trying to make, I agree with you.
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RE: Sunday Game vs SELA
Even if they get drafted after 3 years, it is likely that they will come back to finish their degree after their baseball career is finished (such as Berkman).
(02-27-2017 03:06 PM)curve Wrote: (02-27-2017 12:39 PM)MemOwl Wrote: (02-26-2017 11:56 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Karlgaard is going to have to do a lot of soul searching this summer bout the decline of two of our top three sports under his watch. Still early in baseball, but looks like another season filled with excuses, a regional exit (or potentially missing the tournament entirely, the way we are playing so far) and no tangible action by the AD to stop this decade-long slide.
What are his degrees of freedom? should there be a bigger recruiting budget? do you want a coaching change?
Not sure what all AD's can do except hire coaches, build facilities and run ticket sales.
Our facility is first class
Our coach is a legend
We sell a lot of tickets (and I don't think you are worried about tickets as much as you are about wins and losses).
We are in that perhaps risky zone of a coach approaching old age whom everyone believes is entitled to "go out on his own terms"
I can't think of a situation where that ended well, but there probably is one. Hard to recall now, but John Wooden actually left UCLA at 65. OG was 67 when we won the title in 2003.
What part of our facility makes it first class? Sure, the new scoreboard is great, but our marketing team needs to improve tremendously on making it more fun for the fans.
Take a look at UT, A&M, UH, TCU, or hell even Texas Tech's locker room try to convince youself ours is nicer. Reckling Park needs a lot of updating.
Unfortunately, that is a much greater factor now than it ever has been. If you compare TCU baseball to Rice baseball, I think one of the only advantages Rice has over TCU is education. Obviously in the long run, nothing is more important than that. That is what makes Rice so special. But not all kids are thinking that way when they are being recruited. Luken Baker for example. Why wouldn't he go to a school like TCU when he knows he will be drafted in three years? Go there, have more fun, and enjoy the first class facilities.
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