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I don't know Hart. I watched a lot of games this year and I don't think coach K could get these guys to 20 wins. I saw a lot of bad passes, missed shots and a lack of rebounding tonight. Satkus T really hurt the team too. How is all of that the coaches fault? How is the fact that Hofstra blew by less athletic players all night for easy layups on the coaches?

The administration blew it when they extended Brady after the CAA tourney championship. Rose blew it when he required Brady to coach the last year of his first contract as a lame duck. Matt blew it when he lied about the contents of his Marist contract. There is a lot of blame to go around my friend.

How about we see how Rowe does the next two years before passing judgment? We know Lou is inexperienced as a head coach. Let's see how he grows and learns before we toss him on the coaching trash heap.
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(02-25-2017 03:20 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Gustys makes bad FT shooters look good in comparison. 25%
Yesterday got Gustys up to .278. To show how much he has hurt Hofstra's free throw percentage, Hofstra is the CAA team with the most players who played in at least 75 percent of their team's games, made at least 2 free throws per game, and shot free throws at least .750. Hofstra had four players do that, College of Charleston had three players do that, and the other eight teams combined had six players do that, with none of them having more than one player do that. However, Hofstra is eighth in the CAA in free throw percentage.
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(02-25-2017 02:24 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Horrible game. Can't understand not pressing for a steal down 6 with 50 seconds left.

On another note, people like to call Alger a weenie (deservedly) & claim Charlie King is a big sports guy. Look who stayed & who left before the end...
Charlie King = not a true fan.

Hyper so that drone with the camera was yours?
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(02-25-2017 10:39 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  You are Not sure if the Dukes underperformed? 9 wins in 31 games is bottom of the barrel and the worst regression year over year in the history of the program. Let that sink in. Minus 12 wins while returning 4 starters and more seniors than every team in the nation.

All those returning players won 21 games last year and tied for 3rd. They won 19 games and tied for 1st 2 years ago. And now they aren't capable?

You can point the finger directly at the coach who is on training wheels. He is hell bent on playing his "style" with players that don't have the qualities his style requires. He is hard headed as hard headed can be. You'd think Rowe would acknowledge his way didn't work and adjust to the strengths of this roster. You'd think...

The only fix for this disaster is a miracle 4 game run in North Charleston next week. That would completely offset the train wreck Rowe's season has been. Short of that the administration has some 'splainin' to do and feet need to be held to the fire.
Ask anyone for donations to the new basketball arena right now and see if they laugh incessantly. It can't be overstated how much this season has let the air out of the balloon for the push to build an $88 million facility.
The blame falls on Rowe and even more so on Bourne for completely botching the "National" coaching search.

...one of our 9 wins was against EMU. lol

Agree with this 100%. Bourne didn't do JMU MB any favors or accelerate any interest in the new convo by hiring LR. LR didn't help himself by not adjusting his coaching chops (does it exist?) to his players strengths. Let's see what happens next year. If there is no improvement then its time to start over. Shaka Smart may be available.
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Why do so many posters keep pointing the finger at Bourne for this hire? Do you not read these boards?

King, Alger, Bourne and a high dollar donor or donors are involved in the interview process not to mention some consulting firm. The decision to hire LR was done by committee. Every major hire is done this way.

Houston wasn't hired by Bourne either.
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(02-25-2017 11:44 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I don't know Hart. I watched a lot of games this year and I don't think coach K could get these guys to 20 wins. I saw a lot of bad passes, missed shots and a lack of rebounding tonight. Satkus T really hurt the team too. How is all of that the coaches fault? How is the fact that Hofstra blew by less athletic players all night for easy layups on the coaches?

The administration blew it when they extended Brady after the CAA tourney championship. Rose blew it when he required Brady to coach the last year of his first contract as a lame duck. Matt blew it when he lied about the contents of his Marist contract. There is a lot of blame to go around my friend.

How about we see how Rowe does the next two years before passing judgment? We know Lou is inexperienced as a head coach. Let's see how he grows and learns before we toss him on the coaching trash heap.

JMU was so pissed at this that they fired Brady ...... 8 years later
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Suggesting Bourne is not accountable for the athletic department and the hiring is laughable. The coaches report to him, he gives them the expectations (sometimes publicly), he gives them annual evaluations, while the committee search members are no where to be found on day to day business of Athletics.

Suggesting we should wait until next year to raise the pitchforks is a Loser's mantra. Bourne made the change to elevate the program NOW. It was already good and he wanted more.
Let's wait until next year.
Let's wait until next year.
Let's wait until next year.
That is what Losers think and say.

The NCAA coaching community questioned what in the world was JMU doing firing a coach who finished tied for 3rd and 1st the past two years. Bourne stated that wasn't good enough and he needed better plus, the New Convo fundraising depended on getting better results and more engagement.
This has been a colossal failure on Bourne's part. The deflating impact is at least one year and the damage could go much further if allowed.

BTW, I'm rooting for Rowe to win 4 straight games in North Charleston so we can pardon him and Bourne. The postseason is significantly more important in hoops and can cover a multitude of sins. There is still hope for this year.
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(02-26-2017 10:14 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Suggesting Bourne is not accountable for the athletic department and the hiring is laughable. The coaches report to him, he gives them the expectations (sometimes publicly), he gives them annual evaluations, while the committee search members are no where to be found on day to day business of Athletics.

Suggesting we should wait until next year to raise the pitchforks is a Loser's mantra. Bourne made the change to elevate the program NOW. It was already good and he wanted more.
Let's wait until next year.
Let's wait until next year.
Let's wait until next year.
That is what Losers think and say.

The NCAA coaching community questioned what in the world was JMU doing firing a coach who finished tied for 3rd and 1st the past two years. Bourne stated that wasn't good enough and he needed better plus, the New Convo fundraising depended on getting better results and more engagement.
This has been a colossal failure on Bourne's part. The deflating impact is at least one year and the damage could go much further if allowed.

BTW, I'm rooting for Rowe to win 4 straight games in North Charleston so we can pardon him and Bourne. The postseason is significantly more important in hoops and can cover a multitude of sins. There is still hope for this year.

I agree, it ain't over yet.

I'll be in Charleston Friday evening wearing my purple shirt cheering for the Dukes. I'll wear green Saturday afternoon, but plan on wearing purple Saturday night for the Dukes second game.

Go Dukes!
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(02-25-2017 10:39 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  You are Not sure if the Dukes underperformed? 9 wins in 31 games is bottom of the barrel and the worst regression year over year in the history of the program. Let that sink in. Minus 12 wins while returning 4 starters and more seniors than every team in the nation.

All those returning players won 21 games last year and tied for 3rd. They won 19 games and tied for 1st 2 years ago. And now they aren't capable?

You can point the finger directly at the coach who is on training wheels. He is hell bent on playing his "style" with players that don't have the qualities his style requires. He is hard headed as hard headed can be. You'd think Rowe would acknowledge his way didn't work and adjust to the strengths of this roster. You'd think...

The only fix for this disaster is a miracle 4 game run in North Charleston next week. That would completely offset the train wreck Rowe's season has been. Short of that the administration has some 'splainin' to do and feet need to be held to the fire.
Ask anyone for donations to the new basketball arena right now and see if they laugh incessantly. It can't be overstated how much this season has let the air out of the balloon for the push to build an $88 million facility.
The blame falls on Rowe and even more so on Bourne for completely botching the "National" coaching search.

I think it's interesting that when you put in context the performance of this years team vs. the last two that you don't mention the 1 missing player by name, Ron Curry. I think losing a top 3 scorer in the program's history and a 1st team all league player (who I would argue should have won Conference Player of the year last year) is worth noting.

I also think it's interesting that you say tie for first and 3rd the last 2 seasons when JMU was seeded #4 both years- but those are technicalities. It's pretty clear from the tone of your messages that you are a pro Brady guy and anti Rowe guy really from the time the change was made. That's cool. So when JMU improves next year it will be because of Coach Rowe right? They will have only returned 2 starters and 2 Seniors compared with this years 4 and 7. Or will Rowe have just adjusted his style vs. not adjusting his style this season?

Not necessarily- JMU will be better next year because of talent because of personnel. I'd expect Rowe to improve as well. Just because a group of guys was part of a solid team the last two years doesn't mean that when you remove their best player that they will continue to perform well.

A lot of these games come down to a few possessions where JMU needs to execute and I just think they are a little behind the eight ball on both sides of the ball to execute during those key possessions. Make a stop defensively, make a play offensively. If you don't think Ron Curry made that difference I'm not sure what you were watching. He masked a lot of blah offense, poor movement, and a lot of the current team's limitations on defense. Yesterday- pick your poison as a coach- help when their guards who are quicker than our guards beat them off the dribble and drive to the lane and they dump it to Gustys for the easy conversion- don't help and they score uncontested. A shot blocker like YoYo helps there a little, certainly an on ball defender as quick as Curry mitigates that.

The failing of Rowe has really been in the fact that he didn't bring in guys who could help this year. But maybe there were tradeoffs made there. I'd encourage you to watch tape of Stuckey Mosely and even Scissum and tell me if there are any guys on the current roster who can do what those guys can do with the basketball.

IMO this would have been a down year if MB had stuck around as well. They would have had a nice freshman PG who gave us hope for the future but he would have been a freshman and the team would have had a lower ceiling than when Curry was on it. You'd go into the off season worrying about Brady filling all of the open scholarships and if Shepherd would stick around all 4 years.
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(02-26-2017 08:25 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  Hyper so that drone with the camera was yours?

There was a drone in the Convo yesterday?
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(02-26-2017 10:14 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Suggesting we should wait until next year to raise the pitchforks is a Loser's mantra. Bourne made the change to elevate the program NOW. It was already good

No it wasn't. Better than this year sure but the program hasn't been good in 20 years.
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(02-25-2017 10:39 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  You are Not sure if the Dukes underperformed? 9 wins in 31 games is bottom of the barrel and the worst regression year over year in the history of the program. Let that sink in. Minus 12 wins while returning 4 starters and more seniors than every team in the nation.

All those returning players won 21 games last year and tied for 3rd. They won 19 games and tied for 1st 2 years ago. And now they aren't capable?

You can point the finger directly at the coach who is on training wheels. He is hell bent on playing his "style" with players that don't have the qualities his style requires. He is hard headed as hard headed can be. You'd think Rowe would acknowledge his way didn't work and adjust to the strengths of this roster. You'd think...

The only fix for this disaster is a miracle 4 game run in North Charleston next week. That would completely offset the train wreck Rowe's season has been. Short of that the administration has some 'splainin' to do and feet need to be held to the fire.
Ask anyone for donations to the new basketball arena right now and see if they laugh incessantly. It can't be overstated how much this season has let the air out of the balloon for the push to build an $88 million facility.
The blame falls on Rowe and even more so on Bourne for completely botching the "National" coaching search.

I would take issue with what Lou exactly inherited.
Between the time Lou was hired and when the season started YoYo and Shak both missed huge amounts of time with injuries. There were very few days where they both went hard for an entire practice. Talk to a trainer or any member of the team to verify this. This continued when the season started. Even when the two were getting minutes early in the season they both were not getting through most of the practices. When Yoyo finally started to get his legs back it was about the time the CAA season started and we then went 3-0. During the fourth Northeastern game Tom cracked a rib and then to compound his problems he suffered a high ankle sprain late in the season. Once this team subsequently lost Yoyo it was pretty much all over. We even lost Mclean for the 2nd Delaware game. Unless Hart has cataracts it should have been easy for him to see that from day one this team did not have a point guard and that we have nobody that is good at taking someone off the dribble when there is little time left on the shot clock. Lou was hired in April and contrary to what some might think, this is not a fantasy league where you just magically draft a good player. Almost all of he good kids have signed by the November early signing date. My understanding is that the Sheppard kid did not return Lou's calls. Lou took a shot with Holmes and that was clearly not the answer. For that he can be criticized but I think seeing our situation he had to take a shot. Hart has been critical about Lou wanting to play "his style" and refusing to change in the face of bad results. Nothing could be further from the truth. Without a point guard and with nobody that is good at taking someone off the dribble the styles available to us were limited. Look at the 3 point percentages for most of the season. We were horrible from distance and if you watched any games you would have seen that a most of these missed shots were wide open. At some point Lou just slowed it down and started playing off Paulius in the middle. The other thing that most people fail to recognize is that Lou inherited a pretty toxic culture. Stop and ask YoYo, Kent, or Paulius if this was not the case. As asinine as it sounds, A number of the seniors are convinced that they are going to play profession ball overseas. This mind set resulted in a lot of personal agendas that hurt the team throughout the year. Get film of the first game of the year against ODU and watch Dimitri getting open looks and instead of shooting, putting the ball on the floor and turning it over at the rim. Shak is also convinced that he is going to get paid. Although he has had some better games lately, for most of the year his shooting was horrendous and he never ever plays defense. And here is one final thought. Even if the Sheppard kid had come to JMU, this team was not going to win 20 games and Matt would have been recruiting 7 kids in a lame duck year. If JMU would fire Matt with 21 wins, in all likelihood they would have fired him this year with a lesser result. The new coach would have inherited a large lame duck recruiting class that would have sealed his fate for the for seeable future.

I for one am looking forward to next year when Lou gets to work with his recruits and establish a healthy culture that will produce some CAA tournament wins. If by year 3 we are still looking like this year, I promise that I will be initiating the threads saying how wrong I was.
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(02-26-2017 09:51 AM)JMUETC Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 11:44 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I don't know Hart. I watched a lot of games this year and I don't think coach K could get these guys to 20 wins. I saw a lot of bad passes, missed shots and a lack of rebounding tonight. Satkus T really hurt the team too. How is all of that the coaches fault? How is the fact that Hofstra blew by less athletic players all night for easy layups on the coaches?

The administration blew it when they extended Brady after the CAA tourney championship. Rose blew it when he required Brady to coach the last year of his first contract as a lame duck. Matt blew it when he lied about the contents of his Marist contract. There is a lot of blame to go around my friend.

How about we see how Rowe does the next two years before passing judgment? We know Lou is inexperienced as a head coach. Let's see how he grows and learns before we toss him on the coaching trash heap.

JMU was so pissed at this that they fired Brady ...... 8 years later

I always assumed it went down like this when Matt was being interviewed and hired: "Matt, do you see any obstacles with your current contract or past contracts that could hinder you being successful at JMU?"

After meeting Matt, I find it hard to believe that he didn't give JMU a copy of the Marist contract for our review. I also find it difficult to believe that someone on the JMU legal team didn't have a few questions for Matt upon reviewing the Marist contract.

My question is why would anyone assume Matt lied about anything or if it wasn't assumed then where was it published or stated that he lied about anything. Unless shown something different, I choose to believe that we acted without a proper vetting.
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(02-26-2017 10:14 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Suggesting Bourne is not accountable for the athletic department and the hiring is laughable. The coaches report to him, he gives them the expectations (sometimes publicly), he gives them annual evaluations, while the committee search members are no where to be found on day to day business of Athletics.

Suggesting we should wait until next year to raise the pitchforks is a Loser's mantra. Bourne made the change to elevate the program NOW. It was already good and he wanted more.
Let's wait until next year.
Let's wait until next year.
Let's wait until next year.
That is what Losers think and say.

The NCAA coaching community questioned what in the world was JMU doing firing a coach who finished tied for 3rd and 1st the past two years. Bourne stated that wasn't good enough and he needed better plus, the New Convo fundraising depended on getting better results and more engagement.
This has been a colossal failure on Bourne's part. The deflating impact is at least one year and the damage could go much further if allowed.

BTW, I'm rooting for Rowe to win 4 straight games in North Charleston so we can pardon him and Bourne. The postseason is significantly more important in hoops and can cover a multitude of sins. There is still hope for this year.

If Rowe can coach or not is a symptom of a problem, not the root problem itself. An aloof president, a boot licker AD and an ego maniac VP of Admin. controlling the athletic dept. is the problem.

Rowe jumped at an opportunity ready or not. I can't blame Rowe for jumping at an opportunity, I can and do blame the administration for fire a reasonably successful coach with less than zero of a plan on how to proceed well.
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Hart, this squad could not pass the eye test. Remember how last year in the conference tournament Curry went cold the team scored 15pts in the first half of the game... well that half was a prophetic microcosim of how the 2016-17 season was going to play out. All the seniors and starters you like to remind everyone who returned from last year's team can be broken down like this-

Athleticism: below conference average
Ball handlers: below conference average
Shooters: Only Demitri at the three point line but he was a defensive iability so coach did not play him much.
Ballers: None.
Shot blockers: Only Yoyo when he was healthy.

This team is full of solid role players who battled injuries all year. I liked Brady but even with Sheppard he was not going to win 20 games with this roster and he would not have made it to the confrence tournament semi finals.
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The team doesn't pass the eye test because they aren't well coached on offense. They are a clunky disorganized mess. Rowe doesn't like to call a lot of plays or sets and prefers to give his players lots of freedom to create. Not good if your team has nobody with dribble drive skills. With Rowe at the helm the Whole has been less than the sum of the parts.

For those thinking it takes more than one year for a college basketball coach to make his mark you are not paying attention. With JUCOs and grad transfers supplementing high school/prep school recruits you can win immediately IF you are a good recruiter and good coach.
Rowe failed miserably in his first recruiting class and we already witnessed his inability to coach the existing players.

List of JMU coaches who had fewer wins in their first year than the previous year...
John Thurston, Sherman Dillard, Dean Keener, Louis Rowe. Yep, this is loser's row.
On top of that Rowe had the WORST regression of any coach in JMU hoops history leading his team to 12 less wins in his first year.

Keener inherited a mess and proved he wasn't the man to fix it.
Thurston and Dillard inherited a program in good shape and ruined it.
Rowe inherited a program in better shape than any of them and he sucked hind tit this year.

It is not okay to have this happen in a high profile sport when the move was intentional and deliberate by the administration. Rowe and Bourne are in the top 10 highest paid employees at JMU and they must be held to a higher standard than an average Joe.
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(02-26-2017 04:35 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  The team doesn't pass the eye test because they aren't well coached on offense. They are a clunky disorganized mess. Rowe doesn't like to call a lot of plays or sets and prefers to give his players lots of freedom to create. Not good if your team has nobody with dribble drive skills. With Rowe at the helm the Whole has been less than the sum of the parts.

For those thinking it takes more than one year for a college basketball coach to make his mark you are not paying attention. With JUCOs and grad transfers supplementing high school/prep school recruits you can win immediately IF you are a good recruiter and good coach.
Rowe failed miserably in his first recruiting class and we already witnessed his inability to coach the existing players.

List of JMU coaches who had fewer wins in their first year than the previous year...
John Thurston, Sherman Dillard, Dean Keener, Louis Rowe. Yep, this is loser's row.
On top of that Rowe had the WORST regression of any coach in JMU hoops history leading his team to 12 less wins in his first year.

Keener inherited a mess and proved he wasn't the man to fix it.
Thurston and Dillard inherited a program in good shape and ruined it.
Rowe inherited a program in better shape than any of them and he sucked hind tit this year.

It is not okay to have this happen in a high profile sport when the move was intentional and deliberate by the administration. Rowe and Bourne are in the top 10 highest paid employees at JMU and they must be held to a higher standard than an average Joe.

What makes you say that they don't run plays? Did Brady run plays all the time or an offense where guys are supposed to be in certain spots and move? Seems to me that Rowe runs as many plays as Brady did.

Not to be a wise guy but you make these statements about their offense and defense and plays, etc. did you ever coach or play at a high level? I'm just curious if I'm missing something as a regular fan or if you have spoken to coaches and players about what JMU MBB does or doesn't do under Coach Rowe this season that they did or didn't do in years past.
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(02-26-2017 04:35 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  The team doesn't pass the eye test because they aren't well coached on offense. They are a clunky disorganized mess. Rowe doesn't like to call a lot of plays or sets and prefers to give his players lots of freedom to create. Not good if your team has nobody with dribble drive skills. With Rowe at the helm the Whole has been less than the sum of the parts.

For those thinking it takes more than one year for a college basketball coach to make his mark you are not paying attention. With JUCOs and grad transfers supplementing high school/prep school recruits you can win immediately IF you are a good recruiter and good coach.
Rowe failed miserably in his first recruiting class and we already witnessed his inability to coach the existing players.

List of JMU coaches who had fewer wins in their first year than the previous year...
John Thurston, Sherman Dillard, Dean Keener, Louis Rowe. Yep, this is loser's row.
On top of that Rowe had the WORST regression of any coach in JMU hoops history leading his team to 12 less wins in his first year.

Keener inherited a mess and proved he wasn't the man to fix it.
Thurston and Dillard inherited a program in good shape and ruined it.
Rowe inherited a program in better shape than any of them and he sucked hind tit this year.

It is not okay to have this happen in a high profile sport when the move was intentional and deliberate by the administration. Rowe and Bourne are in the top 10 highest paid employees at JMU and they must be held to a higher standard than an average Joe.

Absurd.

Thurston inherited a much better program. Interest and attendance was higher. Level of competition was higher. In his 2nd season the Dukes were in the NIT.

Brady is the only coach since Lefty to leave the program at a better spot than when they came in from a Win/Loss perspective. But players were transferring, off-court issues, and injuries were the norm. Twenty or so wins, paying for post-season tournaments, and unable to crack the top of the CAA. I felt like Brady had us in a controlled sustained glide down, with an occasional adrenaline rush. He did not have the good will or tenure that MM or Spanky did to sustain it.

No doubt Lou Rowe has an uphill battle. Certainly, the team under performed - especially the early OOC. Flipping from 11 - 7 to 7 - 11 in the conference is more of a concern. We're loosing ground in a weaker CAA. I expect Rowe also under performed this year too, which ideally means he can do better in the future.
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RE: Hofstra at JMU MBB- Regular Season Finale/Senior Day
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(02-25-2017 11:44 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I don't know Hart. I watched a lot of games this year and I don't think coach K could get these guys to 20 wins. I saw a lot of bad passes, missed shots and a lack of rebounding tonight. Satkus T really hurt the team too. How is all of that the coaches fault? How is the fact that Hofstra blew by less athletic players all night for easy layups on the coaches?

The administration blew it when they extended Brady after the CAA tourney championship. Rose blew it when he required Brady to coach the last year of his first contract as a lame duck. Matt blew it when he lied about the contents of his Marist contract. There is a lot of blame to go around my friend.

How about we see how Rowe does the next two years before passing judgment? We know Lou is inexperienced as a head coach. Let's see how he grows and learns before we toss him on the coaching trash heap.

JMU was so pissed at this that they fired Brady ...... 8 years later

You are showing what you don't know with your reply. When a coach goes to the NCAA, JMU has historically given its coaches a five year deal with a raise. Houston got that and so did Micky. Brady was given 4 years but the 4th year had a $20k buyout so effectively a 3 year deal and no raise. That should say all you need to know.
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RE: Hofstra at JMU MBB- Regular Season Finale/Senior Day
(02-26-2017 07:03 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 09:51 AM)JMUETC Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 11:44 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I don't know Hart. I watched a lot of games this year and I don't think coach K could get these guys to 20 wins. I saw a lot of bad passes, missed shots and a lack of rebounding tonight. Satkus T really hurt the team too. How is all of that the coaches fault? How is the fact that Hofstra blew by less athletic players all night for easy layups on the coaches?

The administration blew it when they extended Brady after the CAA tourney championship. Rose blew it when he required Brady to coach the last year of his first contract as a lame duck. Matt blew it when he lied about the contents of his Marist contract. There is a lot of blame to go around my friend.

How about we see how Rowe does the next two years before passing judgment? We know Lou is inexperienced as a head coach. Let's see how he grows and learns before we toss him on the coaching trash heap.

JMU was so pissed at this that they fired Brady ...... 8 years later

You are showing what you don't know with your reply. When a coach goes to the NCAA, JMU has historically given its coaches a five year deal with a raise. Houston got that and so did Micky. Brady was given 4 years but the 4th year had a $20k buyout so effectively a 3 year deal and no raise. That should say all you need to know.

I don't follow this, but Brady's contracts are no great mystery.

My point is, you can't say that the Marist contract was an issue if it didn't result in an immediate firing. It is widely held that the whole thing would have gone away had JMU attorneys responded to the initial inquiry. No other school has ever sued another school for a coach taking a recruit. Just like no other school has let their coach go into his lame duck year with a bunch of scholarships. I have first hand knowledge that coaches were recruiting directly against that.

I know, I know, JMU does accounting differently.
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