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RE: AAC/MWC/BYU/Army bowls vs all P5 opponents
(02-25-2017 09:04 PM)utpotts Wrote:  
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(02-25-2017 12:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Maybe.

Are P5 administrators beyond the snobbery of playing G5 conferences in bowl games?

Pitching the G4 champs into a bowl series is a point where everyone's interest is mutual where enough TV interest is created.
Ironically that's really not it at all. The issue is G-5's don't want to play each other. All other levels of football are content with playing each other except the g-5. They think they deserve to play p-5 schools even though the p-5's probably don't. Like a fat girl at the prom somebody has to get stuck with them.

I say fine let's do that as well as allow g-5 vs FCS bowls. Games like Montana vs Wyoming would be fun.

The issue here is the g-5.

Maybe because the "G5" level is a totally made up "level". There is FBS and FCS in D1 football. There is no G5 division. It would be like playing in the "non-kingpin-level"---which includes every FBS school other than maybe a dozen super programs. Frankly, that's pretty much what it is now. Has a non-kingpin school won the National Championship in the last 2 or 3 decades?

Exactly.G5 is not a division. It's an ESPN invented label I'd rather the AAC play P5/MWC/Army/BYU schools in the Bowls or I could say it like this: I don't want to play any MAC schools in the Bowls and am ok with a couple of teams that reside in CUSA and one in the SB for the Bowls.

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Its ok, to be afraid of MAC Schools....... Just ask Temple. 03-wink

It's the attendance numbers that are holding back the MAC. Not saying that there is good football being played in the MAC. I watched the MAC CCG and was impressed. If that was MAC enthusiasm every year, I'd reconsider including the MAC if it was like that every year.
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RE: AAC/MWC/BYU/Army bowls vs all P5 opponents
(02-25-2017 08:26 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 02:28 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 01:01 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
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(02-25-2017 12:16 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  If you want higher selections from the P5 as opponents for the top G5 champs you need do nothing more than pay them. Basically, the P5 line up thier post season ties on the basis of payouts. Pay enough--and they will sign onto to that bowl.

Maybe.

Are P5 administrators beyond the snobbery of playing G5 conferences in bowl games?

Pitching the G4 champs into a bowl series is a point where everyone's interest is mutual where enough TV interest is created.
Ironically that's really not it at all. The issue is G-5's don't want to play each other. All other levels of football are content with playing each other except the g-5. They think they deserve to play p-5 schools even though the p-5's probably don't. Like a fat girl at the prom somebody has to get stuck with them.

I say fine let's do that as well as allow g-5 vs FCS bowls. Games like Montana vs Wyoming would be fun.

The issue here is the g-5.


Except G5 and P5 are the same level of football.

Not really.

There is a reason we have those names and the g-5 is not playing for the same trophy as the p-5.

Money is the reason. UVA has fans and name recognition that ODU will likely never have. So they and all their P5 cohorts argued that they deserve 90% or so of the TV money from the CFP deal. Maybe rightfully so. I guess it depends on your view. But the Wahoos would get passed around pretty much any G5 conference like a cheap whore. It's inexplicable. They have money and resources. And that's where the divide lies. Not in competitiveness. There are plenty in the G5 that are more likely to win a football National Title than them.
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RE: AAC/MWC/BYU/Army bowls vs all P5 opponents
(02-26-2017 12:03 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 09:04 PM)utpotts Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 03:39 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 03:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 01:01 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Ironically that's really not it at all. The issue is G-5's don't want to play each other. All other levels of football are content with playing each other except the g-5. They think they deserve to play p-5 schools even though the p-5's probably don't. Like a fat girl at the prom somebody has to get stuck with them.

I say fine let's do that as well as allow g-5 vs FCS bowls. Games like Montana vs Wyoming would be fun.

The issue here is the g-5.

Maybe because the "G5" level is a totally made up "level". There is FBS and FCS in D1 football. There is no G5 division. It would be like playing in the "non-kingpin-level"---which includes every FBS school other than maybe a dozen super programs. Frankly, that's pretty much what it is now. Has a non-kingpin school won the National Championship in the last 2 or 3 decades?

Exactly.G5 is not a division. It's an ESPN invented label I'd rather the AAC play P5/MWC/Army/BYU schools in the Bowls or I could say it like this: I don't want to play any MAC schools in the Bowls and am ok with a couple of teams that reside in CUSA and one in the SB for the Bowls.

Cheers!

Its ok, to be afraid of MAC Schools....... Just ask Temple. 03-wink

It's the attendance numbers that are holding back the MAC. Not saying that there is good football being played in the MAC. I watched the MAC CCG and was impressed. If that was MAC enthusiasm every year, I'd reconsider including the MAC if it was like that every year.
Cheers!

The MAC has tried and failed to pick up the Northeast media markets it needed to be considered a power conference.

In the 60's it was aiming for Syracuse and Pitt. Navy and Army were close to joining. Temple and UMass were in football only. At the end of the day these schools preferred membership in a Florida based conference with recruiting upside.

Geography is what doomed the MAC. The schools that are hanging around in it are doing it for different reasons. For some its a low rent district where they don't have to make a big athletic income to survive.
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RE: AAC/MWC/BYU/Army bowls vs all P5 opponents
(02-25-2017 08:26 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 02:28 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 01:01 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 12:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 12:16 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  If you want higher selections from the P5 as opponents for the top G5 champs you need do nothing more than pay them. Basically, the P5 line up thier post season ties on the basis of payouts. Pay enough--and they will sign onto to that bowl.

Maybe.

Are P5 administrators beyond the snobbery of playing G5 conferences in bowl games?

Pitching the G4 champs into a bowl series is a point where everyone's interest is mutual where enough TV interest is created.
Ironically that's really not it at all. The issue is G-5's don't want to play each other. All other levels of football are content with playing each other except the g-5. They think they deserve to play p-5 schools even though the p-5's probably don't. Like a fat girl at the prom somebody has to get stuck with them.

I say fine let's do that as well as allow g-5 vs FCS bowls. Games like Montana vs Wyoming would be fun.

The issue here is the g-5.


Except G5 and P5 are the same level of football.

Not really.

There is a reason we have those names and the g-5 is not playing for the same trophy as the p-5.

You sure about that? I'd say they are both playing for the same trophy---but since just 10-15 teams have any real chance of winning it in the current system, 70% of the P5 and virtually all the G5 effectively have no real chance of a national championship. Like I said, it's really the "King Pin Division" and "the rest of FBS". That's the real divide--- remove those dozen or so king pin programs from P5 conferences and what remains would have a media value remarkably similar to G5 media value.
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RE: AAC/MWC/BYU/Army bowls vs all P5 opponents
AC, here is the CFP top 25 and Bowl Destinations. Remember the AAC champ lost to a 6-6 Wake playing a 3rd string QB. Navy lost to CSU La Tech in the Armed Forces Bowl. I doubt you convince a P5 conference to send one of their betters teams to play in a G5 conference champ. In addition, I think the P5 would be even less likely to play the AAC because of the P6 campaign. They will do nothing to help promote that idea. I am afraid it is tilting at wind mills but everyone still loves a Don Quixote story. 04-cheers[/php]

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/1...money.html

Rank Team W–L Conference and standing Bowl game
1 Alabama Crimson Tide 13–0 SEC champions Peach Bowl
2 Clemson Tigers 12–1 ACC champions Fiesta Bowl
3 Ohio State Buckeyes 11–1 Big Ten East Division co-champions Fiesta Bowl
4 Washington Huskies 12–1 Pac-12 champions Peach Bowl
5 Penn State Nittany Lions 11–2 Big Ten champions Rose Bowl
6 Michigan Wolverines 10–2 Big Ten East Division third place Orange Bowl
7 Oklahoma Sooners 10–2 Big 12 champions Sugar Bowl
8 Wisconsin Badgers 10–3 Big Ten West Division champions Cotton Bowl
9 USC Trojans 9–3 Pac-12 South Division second place Rose Bowl
10 Colorado Buffaloes 10–3 Pac-12 South Division champions Alamo Bowl
11 Florida State Seminoles 9–3 ACC Atlantic Division third place Orange Bowl
12 Oklahoma State Cowboys 9–3 Big 12 second place (tie) Alamo Bowl
13 Louisville Cardinals 9–3 ACC Atlantic Division co-champions Citrus Bowl
14 Auburn Tigers 8–4 SEC West Division second place (tie) Sugar Bowl
15 Western Michigan Broncos 13–0 MAC Champions Cotton Bowl
16 West Virginia Mountaineers 10–2 Big 12 second place (tie) Russell Athletic Bowl
17 Florida Gators 8–4 SEC East Division champions Outback Bowl
18 Stanford Cardinal 9–3 Pac-12 North Division third place Sun Bowl
19 Utah Utes 8–4 Pac-12 South Division third place Foster Farms Bowl
20 LSU Tigers 7–4 SEC West Division second place (tie) Citrus Bowl
21 Tennessee Volunteers 8–4 SEC East Division second place (tie) Music City Bowl
22 Virginia Tech Hokies 9–4 ACC Coastal Division champions Belk Bowl
23 Pittsburgh Panthers 8–4 ACC Coastal Division second place (tie) Pinstripe Bowl
24 Temple Owls 10–3 American champions Military Bowl
25 Navy Midshipmen 9–4 American West Division champions Armed Forces Bowl
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(02-26-2017 01:54 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  AC, here is the CFP top 25 and Bowl Destinations. Remember the AAC champ lost to a 6-6 Wake playing a 3rd string QB. Navy lost to CSU La Tech in the Armed Forces Bowl. I doubt you convince a P5 conference to send one of their betters teams to play in a G5 conference champ. In addition, I think the P5 would be even less likely to play the AAC because of the P6 campaign. They will do nothing to help promote that idea. I am afraid it is tilting at wind mills but everyone still loves a Don Quixote story. 04-cheers[/php]

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/1...money.html

Rank Team W–L Conference and standing Bowl game
1 Alabama Crimson Tide 13–0 SEC champions Peach Bowl
2 Clemson Tigers 12–1 ACC champions Fiesta Bowl
3 Ohio State Buckeyes 11–1 Big Ten East Division co-champions Fiesta Bowl
4 Washington Huskies 12–1 Pac-12 champions Peach Bowl
5 Penn State Nittany Lions 11–2 Big Ten champions Rose Bowl
6 Michigan Wolverines 10–2 Big Ten East Division third place Orange Bowl
7 Oklahoma Sooners 10–2 Big 12 champions Sugar Bowl
8 Wisconsin Badgers 10–3 Big Ten West Division champions Cotton Bowl
9 USC Trojans 9–3 Pac-12 South Division second place Rose Bowl
10 Colorado Buffaloes 10–3 Pac-12 South Division champions Alamo Bowl
11 Florida State Seminoles 9–3 ACC Atlantic Division third place Orange Bowl
12 Oklahoma State Cowboys 9–3 Big 12 second place (tie) Alamo Bowl
13 Louisville Cardinals 9–3 ACC Atlantic Division co-champions Citrus Bowl
14 Auburn Tigers 8–4 SEC West Division second place (tie) Sugar Bowl
15 Western Michigan Broncos 13–0 MAC Champions Cotton Bowl
16 West Virginia Mountaineers 10–2 Big 12 second place (tie) Russell Athletic Bowl
17 Florida Gators 8–4 SEC East Division champions Outback Bowl
18 Stanford Cardinal 9–3 Pac-12 North Division third place Sun Bowl
19 Utah Utes 8–4 Pac-12 South Division third place Foster Farms Bowl
20 LSU Tigers 7–4 SEC West Division second place (tie) Citrus Bowl
21 Tennessee Volunteers 8–4 SEC East Division second place (tie) Music City Bowl
22 Virginia Tech Hokies 9–4 ACC Coastal Division champions Belk Bowl
23 Pittsburgh Panthers 8–4 ACC Coastal Division second place (tie) Pinstripe Bowl
24 Temple Owls 10–3 American champions Military Bowl
25 Navy Midshipmen 9–4 American West Division champions Armed Forces Bowl

Im not sure what your point is here. Are you saying a single year defines how good your champ is? In 2013 the AAC champ beat the Big12 champ (fairly badly). In 2015 the AAC champ beat a top 10 Florida St. When WV destroyed Clemson in the Orange Bowl, that didn't mean the ACC champ was forever not good enough to bother playing in a major bowl. It was just one of those years.


Frankly, I think that's besides the point. Play on the field isn't really the issue. Never has been. The play on the field is fine. The real issue? Its money.

The P5 has already indicated they will play in a G5 game if the money is right. Remember--when the CFP was formed--everyone was free to create a contract bowl and the Pac-12/B12 indicated interest in playing against a G5 champ as the opponent in a contract agreement (sort of a mirror deal similar to the way the SEC/B10/ND provide an opponent in the Orange Bowl).

Hey, maybe Im wrong. But I have yet to see the P5 say no to taking 3-4 million dollars to play a game.

My personal feeling is you may not be able to get the top P5 team left out of a CFP sponsored game (although I DO think its possible if you pay enough--I just don't think we will pay enough). Furthermore---I DO think its COMPLETELY possible (even likely) that a high paying game can work its way into the same pool that includes the Liberty/Texas/Gator/Music City Bowls. That would give the Miami Beach Bowl a #3-#5 pick from a P5 conference and would not tie any single conference to the bowl (which would likely be more agreeable to the parties involved as it provides flexibility and isn't an annual destination to any one P5 conference).

Unfortunately, that requires unity and vision. I dont think the AAC has enough of either to do something like I suggest.
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(02-26-2017 02:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 01:54 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  AC, here is the CFP top 25 and Bowl Destinations. Remember the AAC champ lost to a 6-6 Wake playing a 3rd string QB. Navy lost to CSU La Tech in the Armed Forces Bowl. I doubt you convince a P5 conference to send one of their betters teams to play in a G5 conference champ. In addition, I think the P5 would be even less likely to play the AAC because of the P6 campaign. They will do nothing to help promote that idea. I am afraid it is tilting at wind mills but everyone still loves a Don Quixote story. 04-cheers[/php]

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/1...money.html

Rank Team W–L Conference and standing Bowl game
1 Alabama Crimson Tide 13–0 SEC champions Peach Bowl
2 Clemson Tigers 12–1 ACC champions Fiesta Bowl
3 Ohio State Buckeyes 11–1 Big Ten East Division co-champions Fiesta Bowl
4 Washington Huskies 12–1 Pac-12 champions Peach Bowl
5 Penn State Nittany Lions 11–2 Big Ten champions Rose Bowl
6 Michigan Wolverines 10–2 Big Ten East Division third place Orange Bowl
7 Oklahoma Sooners 10–2 Big 12 champions Sugar Bowl
8 Wisconsin Badgers 10–3 Big Ten West Division champions Cotton Bowl
9 USC Trojans 9–3 Pac-12 South Division second place Rose Bowl
10 Colorado Buffaloes 10–3 Pac-12 South Division champions Alamo Bowl
11 Florida State Seminoles 9–3 ACC Atlantic Division third place Orange Bowl
12 Oklahoma State Cowboys 9–3 Big 12 second place (tie) Alamo Bowl
13 Louisville Cardinals 9–3 ACC Atlantic Division co-champions Citrus Bowl
14 Auburn Tigers 8–4 SEC West Division second place (tie) Sugar Bowl
15 Western Michigan Broncos 13–0 MAC Champions Cotton Bowl
16 West Virginia Mountaineers 10–2 Big 12 second place (tie) Russell Athletic Bowl
17 Florida Gators 8–4 SEC East Division champions Outback Bowl
18 Stanford Cardinal 9–3 Pac-12 North Division third place Sun Bowl
19 Utah Utes 8–4 Pac-12 South Division third place Foster Farms Bowl
20 LSU Tigers 7–4 SEC West Division second place (tie) Citrus Bowl
21 Tennessee Volunteers 8–4 SEC East Division second place (tie) Music City Bowl
22 Virginia Tech Hokies 9–4 ACC Coastal Division champions Belk Bowl
23 Pittsburgh Panthers 8–4 ACC Coastal Division second place (tie) Pinstripe Bowl
24 Temple Owls 10–3 American champions Military Bowl
25 Navy Midshipmen 9–4 American West Division champions Armed Forces Bowl

Im not sure what your point is here. Are you saying a single year defines how good your champ is? In 2013 the AAC champ beat the Big12 champ (fairly badly). In 2015 the AAC champ beat a top 10 Florida St. When WV destroyed Clemson in the Orange Bowl, that didn't mean the ACC champ was forever not good enough to bother playing in a major bowl. It was just one of those years.


Frankly, I think that's besides the point. Play on the field isn't really the issue. Never has been. The play on the field is fine. The real issue? Its money.

The P5 has already indicated they will play in a G5 game if the money is right. Remember--when the CFP was formed--everyone was free to create a contract bowl and the Pac-12/B12 indicated interest in playing against a G5 champ as the opponent in a contract agreement (sort of a mirror deal similar to the way the SEC/B10/ND provide an opponent in the Orange Bowl).

Hey, maybe Im wrong. But I have yet to see the P5 say no to taking 3-4 million dollars to play a game.

My personal feeling is you may not be able to get the top P5 team left out of a CFP sponsored game (although I DO think its possible if you pay enough--I just don't think we will pay enough). Furthermore---I DO think its COMPLETELY possible (even likely) that a high paying game can work its way into the same pool that includes the Liberty/Texas/Gator/Music City Bowls. That would give the Miami Beach Bowl a #3-#5 pick from a P5 conference and would not tie any single conference to the bowl (which would likely be more agreeable to the parties involved as it provides flexibility and isn't an annual destination to any one P5 conference).

Unfortunately, that requires, unity and vision. I dont think the AAC has enough of either to do something like I suggest.

I agree with you about lack of vision. One thing that would be challenging the two conferences at present would be PAC 12 and ACC. I think the ACC will be trying to upgrade their bowls.

I don't know if Citrus renews in 2020, it seems it would not due to the B10/Orange agreeement with the ACC. So assuming Citrus is a 12 year agreement, I think the ACC tries for following

Top 3
Orange, Outback vs SEC, Alamo vs B12,

Next 4
Gator vs SEC, Sun vs PAC, Pinstripe vs B!G, Belk vs SEC

Bottom 3 (Look for ESPN to try and move ACC to HOD and Birmingham)
HOD vs B12, Birmingham vs SEC, Detroit vs B10

Before the AAC fans go crazy, I could see the B10 replacing the ACC in Military and taking the ACC's spot in Indy.

Will this happen, who knows. But if the ACC success continues, they will do their best to leverage.
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(02-26-2017 08:27 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 02:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 01:54 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  AC, here is the CFP top 25 and Bowl Destinations. Remember the AAC champ lost to a 6-6 Wake playing a 3rd string QB. Navy lost to CSU La Tech in the Armed Forces Bowl. I doubt you convince a P5 conference to send one of their betters teams to play in a G5 conference champ. In addition, I think the P5 would be even less likely to play the AAC because of the P6 campaign. They will do nothing to help promote that idea. I am afraid it is tilting at wind mills but everyone still loves a Don Quixote story. :cheers:[/php]

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/1...money.html

Rank Team W–L Conference and standing Bowl game
1 Alabama Crimson Tide 13–0 SEC champions Peach Bowl
2 Clemson Tigers 12–1 ACC champions Fiesta Bowl
3 Ohio State Buckeyes 11–1 Big Ten East Division co-champions Fiesta Bowl
4 Washington Huskies 12–1 Pac-12 champions Peach Bowl
5 Penn State Nittany Lions 11–2 Big Ten champions Rose Bowl
6 Michigan Wolverines 10–2 Big Ten East Division third place Orange Bowl
7 Oklahoma Sooners 10–2 Big 12 champions Sugar Bowl
8 Wisconsin Badgers 10–3 Big Ten West Division champions Cotton Bowl
9 USC Trojans 9–3 Pac-12 South Division second place Rose Bowl
10 Colorado Buffaloes 10–3 Pac-12 South Division champions Alamo Bowl
11 Florida State Seminoles 9–3 ACC Atlantic Division third place Orange Bowl
12 Oklahoma State Cowboys 9–3 Big 12 second place (tie) Alamo Bowl
13 Louisville Cardinals 9–3 ACC Atlantic Division co-champions Citrus Bowl
14 Auburn Tigers 8–4 SEC West Division second place (tie) Sugar Bowl
15 Western Michigan Broncos 13–0 MAC Champions Cotton Bowl
16 West Virginia Mountaineers 10–2 Big 12 second place (tie) Russell Athletic Bowl
17 Florida Gators 8–4 SEC East Division champions Outback Bowl
18 Stanford Cardinal 9–3 Pac-12 North Division third place Sun Bowl
19 Utah Utes 8–4 Pac-12 South Division third place Foster Farms Bowl
20 LSU Tigers 7–4 SEC West Division second place (tie) Citrus Bowl
21 Tennessee Volunteers 8–4 SEC East Division second place (tie) Music City Bowl
22 Virginia Tech Hokies 9–4 ACC Coastal Division champions Belk Bowl
23 Pittsburgh Panthers 8–4 ACC Coastal Division second place (tie) Pinstripe Bowl
24 Temple Owls 10–3 American champions Military Bowl
25 Navy Midshipmen 9–4 American West Division champions Armed Forces Bowl

Im not sure what your point is here. Are you saying a single year defines how good your champ is? In 2013 the AAC champ beat the Big12 champ (fairly badly). In 2015 the AAC champ beat a top 10 Florida St. When WV destroyed Clemson in the Orange Bowl, that didn't mean the ACC champ was forever not good enough to bother playing in a major bowl. It was just one of those years.


Frankly, I think that's besides the point. Play on the field isn't really the issue. Never has been. The play on the field is fine. The real issue? Its money.

The P5 has already indicated they will play in a G5 game if the money is right. Remember--when the CFP was formed--everyone was free to create a contract bowl and the Pac-12/B12 indicated interest in playing against a G5 champ as the opponent in a contract agreement (sort of a mirror deal similar to the way the SEC/B10/ND provide an opponent in the Orange Bowl).

Hey, maybe Im wrong. But I have yet to see the P5 say no to taking 3-4 million dollars to play a game.

My personal feeling is you may not be able to get the top P5 team left out of a CFP sponsored game (although I DO think its possible if you pay enough--I just don't think we will pay enough). Furthermore---I DO think its COMPLETELY possible (even likely) that a high paying game can work its way into the same pool that includes the Liberty/Texas/Gator/Music City Bowls. That would give the Miami Beach Bowl a #3-#5 pick from a P5 conference and would not tie any single conference to the bowl (which would likely be more agreeable to the parties involved as it provides flexibility and isn't an annual destination to any one P5 conference).

Unfortunately, that requires, unity and vision. I dont think the AAC has enough of either to do something like I suggest.

I agree with you about lack of vision. One thing that would be challenging the two conferences at present would be PAC 12 and ACC. I think the ACC will be trying to upgrade their bowls.

I don't know if Citrus renews in 2020, it seems it would not due to the B10/Orange agreeement with the ACC. So assuming Citrus is a 12 year agreement, I think the ACC tries for following

Top 3
Orange, Outback vs SEC, Alamo vs B12,

Next 4
Gator vs SEC, Sun vs PAC, Pinstripe vs B!G, Belk vs SEC

Bottom 3 (Look for ESPN to try and move ACC to HOD and Birmingham)
HOD vs B12, Birmingham vs SEC, Detroit vs B10

Before the AAC fans go crazy, I could see the B10 replacing the ACC in Military and taking the ACC's spot in Indy.

Will this happen, who knows. But if the ACC success continues, they will do their best to leverage.

You don't see a single AAC/ACC bowl game happening? Come on, that's crazy. That would be like the PAC not playing the MWC in bowls. There will always be a few match ups of AAC vs ACC for regional and historical ties, rivalries and because of the butts in the seats the AAC provides. Oh, and the ACC in a bowl in San Antonio would be wonderful and hilarious. Boston College or NC St taking on Cal in front of 8,000 fans in the Alamo Bowl!

Cheers!
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(02-26-2017 12:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 08:26 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 02:28 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 01:01 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 12:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Maybe.

Are P5 administrators beyond the snobbery of playing G5 conferences in bowl games?

Pitching the G4 champs into a bowl series is a point where everyone's interest is mutual where enough TV interest is created.
Ironically that's really not it at all. The issue is G-5's don't want to play each other. All other levels of football are content with playing each other except the g-5. They think they deserve to play p-5 schools even though the p-5's probably don't. Like a fat girl at the prom somebody has to get stuck with them.

I say fine let's do that as well as allow g-5 vs FCS bowls. Games like Montana vs Wyoming would be fun.

The issue here is the g-5.


Except G5 and P5 are the same level of football.

Not really.

There is a reason we have those names and the g-5 is not playing for the same trophy as the p-5.

You sure about that? I'd say they are both playing for the same trophy---but since just 10-15 teams have any real chance of winning it in the current system, 70% of the P5 and virtually all the G5 effectively have no real chance of a national championship. Like I said, it's really the "King Pin Division" and "the rest of FBS". That's the real divide--- remove those dozen or so king pin programs from P5 conferences and what remains would have a media value remarkably similar to G5 media value.
You answered your own question. G-5 has no chance at a natty, aka not playing for the same trophy.

As far as the p-5 that is true to some degree but any school in the p-5 who goes undefeated and wins a CC will get in the playoff. There is a defined path. That's the difference.
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(02-26-2017 08:27 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
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(02-26-2017 01:54 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  AC, here is the CFP top 25 and Bowl Destinations. Remember the AAC champ lost to a 6-6 Wake playing a 3rd string QB. Navy lost to CSU La Tech in the Armed Forces Bowl. I doubt you convince a P5 conference to send one of their betters teams to play in a G5 conference champ. In addition, I think the P5 would be even less likely to play the AAC because of the P6 campaign. They will do nothing to help promote that idea. I am afraid it is tilting at wind mills but everyone still loves a Don Quixote story. 04-cheers[/php]

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/1...money.html

Rank Team W–L Conference and standing Bowl game
1 Alabama Crimson Tide 13–0 SEC champions Peach Bowl
2 Clemson Tigers 12–1 ACC champions Fiesta Bowl
3 Ohio State Buckeyes 11–1 Big Ten East Division co-champions Fiesta Bowl
4 Washington Huskies 12–1 Pac-12 champions Peach Bowl
5 Penn State Nittany Lions 11–2 Big Ten champions Rose Bowl
6 Michigan Wolverines 10–2 Big Ten East Division third place Orange Bowl
7 Oklahoma Sooners 10–2 Big 12 champions Sugar Bowl
8 Wisconsin Badgers 10–3 Big Ten West Division champions Cotton Bowl
9 USC Trojans 9–3 Pac-12 South Division second place Rose Bowl
10 Colorado Buffaloes 10–3 Pac-12 South Division champions Alamo Bowl
11 Florida State Seminoles 9–3 ACC Atlantic Division third place Orange Bowl
12 Oklahoma State Cowboys 9–3 Big 12 second place (tie) Alamo Bowl
13 Louisville Cardinals 9–3 ACC Atlantic Division co-champions Citrus Bowl
14 Auburn Tigers 8–4 SEC West Division second place (tie) Sugar Bowl
15 Western Michigan Broncos 13–0 MAC Champions Cotton Bowl
16 West Virginia Mountaineers 10–2 Big 12 second place (tie) Russell Athletic Bowl
17 Florida Gators 8–4 SEC East Division champions Outback Bowl
18 Stanford Cardinal 9–3 Pac-12 North Division third place Sun Bowl
19 Utah Utes 8–4 Pac-12 South Division third place Foster Farms Bowl
20 LSU Tigers 7–4 SEC West Division second place (tie) Citrus Bowl
21 Tennessee Volunteers 8–4 SEC East Division second place (tie) Music City Bowl
22 Virginia Tech Hokies 9–4 ACC Coastal Division champions Belk Bowl
23 Pittsburgh Panthers 8–4 ACC Coastal Division second place (tie) Pinstripe Bowl
24 Temple Owls 10–3 American champions Military Bowl
25 Navy Midshipmen 9–4 American West Division champions Armed Forces Bowl

Im not sure what your point is here. Are you saying a single year defines how good your champ is? In 2013 the AAC champ beat the Big12 champ (fairly badly). In 2015 the AAC champ beat a top 10 Florida St. When WV destroyed Clemson in the Orange Bowl, that didn't mean the ACC champ was forever not good enough to bother playing in a major bowl. It was just one of those years.


Frankly, I think that's besides the point. Play on the field isn't really the issue. Never has been. The play on the field is fine. The real issue? Its money.

The P5 has already indicated they will play in a G5 game if the money is right. Remember--when the CFP was formed--everyone was free to create a contract bowl and the Pac-12/B12 indicated interest in playing against a G5 champ as the opponent in a contract agreement (sort of a mirror deal similar to the way the SEC/B10/ND provide an opponent in the Orange Bowl).

Hey, maybe Im wrong. But I have yet to see the P5 say no to taking 3-4 million dollars to play a game.

My personal feeling is you may not be able to get the top P5 team left out of a CFP sponsored game (although I DO think its possible if you pay enough--I just don't think we will pay enough). Furthermore---I DO think its COMPLETELY possible (even likely) that a high paying game can work its way into the same pool that includes the Liberty/Texas/Gator/Music City Bowls. That would give the Miami Beach Bowl a #3-#5 pick from a P5 conference and would not tie any single conference to the bowl (which would likely be more agreeable to the parties involved as it provides flexibility and isn't an annual destination to any one P5 conference).

Unfortunately, that requires, unity and vision. I dont think the AAC has enough of either to do something like I suggest.

I agree with you about lack of vision. One thing that would be challenging the two conferences at present would be PAC 12 and ACC. I think the ACC will be trying to upgrade their bowls.

I don't know if Citrus renews in 2020, it seems it would not due to the B10/Orange agreeement with the ACC. So assuming Citrus is a 12 year agreement, I think the ACC tries for following

Top 3
Orange, Outback vs SEC, Alamo vs B12,

Next 4
Gator vs SEC, Sun vs PAC, Pinstripe vs B!G, Belk vs SEC

Bottom 3 (Look for ESPN to try and move ACC to HOD and Birmingham)
HOD vs B12, Birmingham vs SEC, Detroit vs B10

Before the AAC fans go crazy, I could see the B10 replacing the ACC in Military and taking the ACC's spot in Indy.

Will this happen, who knows. But if the ACC success continues, they will do their best to leverage.

You don't see a single AAC/ACC bowl game happening? Come on, that's crazy. That would be like the PAC not playing the MWC in bowls. There will always be a few match ups of AAC vs ACC for regional and historical ties, rivalries and because of the butts in the seats the AAC provides. Oh, and the ACC in a bowl in San Antonio would be wonderful and hilarious. Boston College or NC St taking on Cal in front of 8,000 fans in the Alamo Bowl!

Cheers!

Actually, Alamo was suggested B12 not PAC. Not sure why Alamo would get rid of B12. In addition, Alamo was suggested top tier replacing Orlando vs B12 matchup. ACC would probably bring as many as PAC is currently bringing.

MWC and PAC play each other for time zone more than region. East coast football does not have that issue. I will admit that Military is probably closer for travel but with Navy I don't see that leaving the AAC. I think the ACC would be willing to forgo that bowl if they could replace it with Birmingham. Again, just my guessing, not saying it is happening.

If it makes you feel better, Indy would be the first to go if they could get HOD or Birmingham. If they could get both, then Military would be the next. Possibly if the ACC tries for 11 bids, I could see the Military replace St. Pete as where the last pick goes. I think the AAC would be better of getting a B!G team for Military, but I would be happy keeping the Military as the 11th tie-in. Just not sure how often the ACC would fill it, especially when Citrus gets added or if more than two go to CFP/Access Bowls.
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(02-26-2017 09:47 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 09:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 08:27 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 02:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 01:54 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  AC, here is the CFP top 25 and Bowl Destinations. Remember the AAC champ lost to a 6-6 Wake playing a 3rd string QB. Navy lost to CSU La Tech in the Armed Forces Bowl. I doubt you convince a P5 conference to send one of their betters teams to play in a G5 conference champ. In addition, I think the P5 would be even less likely to play the AAC because of the P6 campaign. They will do nothing to help promote that idea. I am afraid it is tilting at wind mills but everyone still loves a Don Quixote story. 04-cheers[/php]

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/1...money.html

Rank Team W–L Conference and standing Bowl game
1 Alabama Crimson Tide 13–0 SEC champions Peach Bowl
2 Clemson Tigers 12–1 ACC champions Fiesta Bowl
3 Ohio State Buckeyes 11–1 Big Ten East Division co-champions Fiesta Bowl
4 Washington Huskies 12–1 Pac-12 champions Peach Bowl
5 Penn State Nittany Lions 11–2 Big Ten champions Rose Bowl
6 Michigan Wolverines 10–2 Big Ten East Division third place Orange Bowl
7 Oklahoma Sooners 10–2 Big 12 champions Sugar Bowl
8 Wisconsin Badgers 10–3 Big Ten West Division champions Cotton Bowl
9 USC Trojans 9–3 Pac-12 South Division second place Rose Bowl
10 Colorado Buffaloes 10–3 Pac-12 South Division champions Alamo Bowl
11 Florida State Seminoles 9–3 ACC Atlantic Division third place Orange Bowl
12 Oklahoma State Cowboys 9–3 Big 12 second place (tie) Alamo Bowl
13 Louisville Cardinals 9–3 ACC Atlantic Division co-champions Citrus Bowl
14 Auburn Tigers 8–4 SEC West Division second place (tie) Sugar Bowl
15 Western Michigan Broncos 13–0 MAC Champions Cotton Bowl
16 West Virginia Mountaineers 10–2 Big 12 second place (tie) Russell Athletic Bowl
17 Florida Gators 8–4 SEC East Division champions Outback Bowl
18 Stanford Cardinal 9–3 Pac-12 North Division third place Sun Bowl
19 Utah Utes 8–4 Pac-12 South Division third place Foster Farms Bowl
20 LSU Tigers 7–4 SEC West Division second place (tie) Citrus Bowl
21 Tennessee Volunteers 8–4 SEC East Division second place (tie) Music City Bowl
22 Virginia Tech Hokies 9–4 ACC Coastal Division champions Belk Bowl
23 Pittsburgh Panthers 8–4 ACC Coastal Division second place (tie) Pinstripe Bowl
24 Temple Owls 10–3 American champions Military Bowl
25 Navy Midshipmen 9–4 American West Division champions Armed Forces Bowl

Im not sure what your point is here. Are you saying a single year defines how good your champ is? In 2013 the AAC champ beat the Big12 champ (fairly badly). In 2015 the AAC champ beat a top 10 Florida St. When WV destroyed Clemson in the Orange Bowl, that didn't mean the ACC champ was forever not good enough to bother playing in a major bowl. It was just one of those years.


Frankly, I think that's besides the point. Play on the field isn't really the issue. Never has been. The play on the field is fine. The real issue? Its money.

The P5 has already indicated they will play in a G5 game if the money is right. Remember--when the CFP was formed--everyone was free to create a contract bowl and the Pac-12/B12 indicated interest in playing against a G5 champ as the opponent in a contract agreement (sort of a mirror deal similar to the way the SEC/B10/ND provide an opponent in the Orange Bowl).

Hey, maybe Im wrong. But I have yet to see the P5 say no to taking 3-4 million dollars to play a game.

My personal feeling is you may not be able to get the top P5 team left out of a CFP sponsored game (although I DO think its possible if you pay enough--I just don't think we will pay enough). Furthermore---I DO think its COMPLETELY possible (even likely) that a high paying game can work its way into the same pool that includes the Liberty/Texas/Gator/Music City Bowls. That would give the Miami Beach Bowl a #3-#5 pick from a P5 conference and would not tie any single conference to the bowl (which would likely be more agreeable to the parties involved as it provides flexibility and isn't an annual destination to any one P5 conference).

Unfortunately, that requires, unity and vision. I dont think the AAC has enough of either to do something like I suggest.

I agree with you about lack of vision. One thing that would be challenging the two conferences at present would be PAC 12 and ACC. I think the ACC will be trying to upgrade their bowls.

I don't know if Citrus renews in 2020, it seems it would not due to the B10/Orange agreeement with the ACC. So assuming Citrus is a 12 year agreement, I think the ACC tries for following

Top 3
Orange, Outback vs SEC, Alamo vs B12,

Next 4
Gator vs SEC, Sun vs PAC, Pinstripe vs B!G, Belk vs SEC

Bottom 3 (Look for ESPN to try and move ACC to HOD and Birmingham)
HOD vs B12, Birmingham vs SEC, Detroit vs B10

Before the AAC fans go crazy, I could see the B10 replacing the ACC in Military and taking the ACC's spot in Indy.

Will this happen, who knows. But if the ACC success continues, they will do their best to leverage.

You don't see a single AAC/ACC bowl game happening? Come on, that's crazy. That would be like the PAC not playing the MWC in bowls. There will always be a few match ups of AAC vs ACC for regional and historical ties, rivalries and because of the butts in the seats the AAC provides. Oh, and the ACC in a bowl in San Antonio would be wonderful and hilarious. Boston College or NC St taking on Cal in front of 8,000 fans in the Alamo Bowl!

Cheers!

Actually, Alamo was suggested B12 not PAC. Not sure why Alamo would get rid of B12. In addition, Alamo was suggested top tier replacing Orlando vs B12 matchup. ACC would probably bring as many as PAC is currently bringing.

MWC and PAC play each other for time zone more than region. East coast football does not have that issue. I will admit that Military is probably closer for travel but with Navy I don't see that leaving the AAC. I think the ACC would be willing to forgo that bowl if they could replace it with Birmingham. Again, just my guessing, not saying it is happening.

If it makes you feel better, Indy would be the first to go if they could get HOD or Birmingham. If they could get both, then Military would be the next. Possibly if the ACC tries for 11 bids, I could see the Military replace St. Pete as where the last pick goes. I think the AAC would be better of getting a B!G team for Military, but I would be happy keeping the Military as the 11th tie-in. Just not sure how often the ACC would fill it, especially when Citrus gets added or if more than two go to CFP/Access Bowls.
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ACC fans don't show up to El Paso, and they won't go to San Antonio either. Is it about having a "P5" team in your bowl or having butts in the seats? You are dismissing one thing here: The ACC is not known for traveling fans to Bowls. AAC schools like ECU and Memphis show up for the bowls. Just because a school is a "P5" doesn't mean it's fans go to bowls. I'd rather have Boise St or BYU in the Alamo Bowl than any ACC school except Louisville. I remember Sun Bowls with ACC schools like Miami bringing a couple hundred fans. Boise would bring 20,000. ECU would bring 20,000 to the Belk Bowl. Not the Peach, the Belk. ECU would bring 40,000 to the Peach.
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Sometimes getting a fan base coming off a long streak of bad football can be the best. I noticed in particular Wyoming and Colorado both had nice crowds for thier bowls.

Many times p-5 fans get spoiled going to bowls every year it seems. So even pretty good bowls are not that interesting to fans.
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(02-26-2017 11:25 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Sometimes getting a fan base coming off a long streak of bad football can be the best. I noticed in particular Wyoming and Colorado both had nice crowds for thier bowls.

Many times p-5 fans get spoiled going to bowls every year it seems. So even pretty good bowls are not that interesting to fans.

True. For example Iowa St shows up for bowls when they get the opportunity. They brought 20k to the Liberty Bowl for a rematch vs Tulsa a few years ago. But BC, Pitt, Wake etc don't bring fans to bowls ever. Those schools are just not that in to college football. Bowls are part of the college football culture. Grew up going to Bowls. Didn't matter how good or average Iowa was that season, we just went to the bowl, because we're college football fans. It's what you do.

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RE: AAC/MWC/BYU/Army bowls vs all P5 opponents
(02-26-2017 10:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 09:47 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 09:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 08:27 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 02:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Im not sure what your point is here. Are you saying a single year defines how good your champ is? In 2013 the AAC champ beat the Big12 champ (fairly badly). In 2015 the AAC champ beat a top 10 Florida St. When WV destroyed Clemson in the Orange Bowl, that didn't mean the ACC champ was forever not good enough to bother playing in a major bowl. It was just one of those years.


Frankly, I think that's besides the point. Play on the field isn't really the issue. Never has been. The play on the field is fine. The real issue? Its money.

The P5 has already indicated they will play in a G5 game if the money is right. Remember--when the CFP was formed--everyone was free to create a contract bowl and the Pac-12/B12 indicated interest in playing against a G5 champ as the opponent in a contract agreement (sort of a mirror deal similar to the way the SEC/B10/ND provide an opponent in the Orange Bowl).

Hey, maybe Im wrong. But I have yet to see the P5 say no to taking 3-4 million dollars to play a game.

My personal feeling is you may not be able to get the top P5 team left out of a CFP sponsored game (although I DO think its possible if you pay enough--I just don't think we will pay enough). Furthermore---I DO think its COMPLETELY possible (even likely) that a high paying game can work its way into the same pool that includes the Liberty/Texas/Gator/Music City Bowls. That would give the Miami Beach Bowl a #3-#5 pick from a P5 conference and would not tie any single conference to the bowl (which would likely be more agreeable to the parties involved as it provides flexibility and isn't an annual destination to any one P5 conference).

Unfortunately, that requires, unity and vision. I dont think the AAC has enough of either to do something like I suggest.

I agree with you about lack of vision. One thing that would be challenging the two conferences at present would be PAC 12 and ACC. I think the ACC will be trying to upgrade their bowls.

I don't know if Citrus renews in 2020, it seems it would not due to the B10/Orange agreeement with the ACC. So assuming Citrus is a 12 year agreement, I think the ACC tries for following

Top 3
Orange, Outback vs SEC, Alamo vs B12,

Next 4
Gator vs SEC, Sun vs PAC, Pinstripe vs B!G, Belk vs SEC

Bottom 3 (Look for ESPN to try and move ACC to HOD and Birmingham)
HOD vs B12, Birmingham vs SEC, Detroit vs B10

Before the AAC fans go crazy, I could see the B10 replacing the ACC in Military and taking the ACC's spot in Indy.

Will this happen, who knows. But if the ACC success continues, they will do their best to leverage.

You don't see a single AAC/ACC bowl game happening? Come on, that's crazy. That would be like the PAC not playing the MWC in bowls. There will always be a few match ups of AAC vs ACC for regional and historical ties, rivalries and because of the butts in the seats the AAC provides. Oh, and the ACC in a bowl in San Antonio would be wonderful and hilarious. Boston College or NC St taking on Cal in front of 8,000 fans in the Alamo Bowl!

Cheers!

Actually, Alamo was suggested B12 not PAC. Not sure why Alamo would get rid of B12. In addition, Alamo was suggested top tier replacing Orlando vs B12 matchup. ACC would probably bring as many as PAC is currently bringing.

MWC and PAC play each other for time zone more than region. East coast football does not have that issue. I will admit that Military is probably closer for travel but with Navy I don't see that leaving the AAC. I think the ACC would be willing to forgo that bowl if they could replace it with Birmingham. Again, just my guessing, not saying it is happening.

If it makes you feel better, Indy would be the first to go if they could get HOD or Birmingham. If they could get both, then Military would be the next. Possibly if the ACC tries for 11 bids, I could see the Military replace St. Pete as where the last pick goes. I think the AAC would be better of getting a B!G team for Military, but I would be happy keeping the Military as the 11th tie-in. Just not sure how often the ACC would fill it, especially when Citrus gets added or if more than two go to CFP/Access Bowls.
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ACC fans don't show up to El Paso, and they won't go to San Antonio either. Is it about having a "P5" team in your bowl or having butts in the seats? You are dismissing one thing here: The ACC is not known for traveling fans to Bowls. AAC schools like ECU and Memphis show up for the bowls. Just because a school is a "P5" doesn't mean it's fans go to bowls. I'd rather have Boise St or BYU in the Alamo Bowl than any ACC school except Louisville. I remember Sun Bowls with ACC schools like Miami bringing a couple hundred fans. Boise would bring 20,000. ECU would bring 20,000 to the Belk Bowl. Not the Peach, the Belk. ECU would bring 40,000 to the Peach.
Cheers!

I will agree certain ACC schools don't show up while others do. I would never argue ECU football passion. They are a Rabid Fan Base but there are schools in the AAC that have poor turnout as well. The larger payout non CFP bowls are more about TV money then attendance. It is not like the old days when NCSU and ECU packed the Peach Bowl. It is more getting to the Prime Time post Christmas Bowl TV slots. For example, many of the ACC prime slots were 5:30 EST Kick Off. I am saying they rather have Alamo at 9pm Weeknight than Russell at 5:30pm week night. If attendance truly was a factor, then there wouldn't be as many bowl games. I do think for the smaller G5 bowls, attendance may matter. I will say the best thing to ever happen to the AAC was Ponsettia going bust. It should move Miami bowl from the worst pre Christmas slot in bowl history to a Primetime pre Christmas slot. 04-cheers
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(02-24-2017 10:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Could the AAC&Army and the MWC&BYU work together for bowls and pool their bowls to get the best P5 Bowl matchups?
(Access Bowl stays the same as the highest ranked G5 vs P5)
Instead of the Las Vegas Bowl getting the top MWC team and the AAC best going to the Birmingham or Miami Bowls, how about the tie ins for the best bowls look like Big 10/Big 12/PAC 10 #4-6 vs the best of the MWC/AAC/Army/BYU in the Las Vegas, Armed Forces, Military, Hawaii every year? Maybe the PAC/Big 10/Big 12 bite knowing they have 26 schools from Hawaii to Uconn to pick from? Just an idea. Any thoughts on bowl pooling for better bowl matchups? Better for the MWC and AAC; better for the bowls.

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Short answer is - absolutely!

Rankings and brands make for good TV ratings, which brings in $$$. You're likely to get some good bowl matchups if you can select from the top of the AAC/MWC/Army/BYU. However, unless some of these bowls can substantially increase their payouts, the P5 participants are still likely to come from the lower end of the spectrum. Probably not better than an 8-4 P5 team - may be a 9-3 team once in awhile from the PAC.

I would include the Miami Beach, Heart of Dallas, and St. Petersburg bowls in the lineup as well. If there aren't sufficient P5 schools to fill, stage AAC/MWC/Army/BYU bowl matchups. Play the Military, Miami Beach, Armed Forces, Heart of Dallas, and Las Vegas Bowls after Christmas. St. Petersburg and Hawaii bowls on the Saturday before Christmas Eve. Saturday bowl games before Christmas get better TV ratings.

This is what it could have looked like the last couple of seasons:

SATURDAY BEFORE CHRISTMAS
ST. PETERSBURG
2016: Army(Ind.) v. Mississippi St.(SEC)
2015: South Florida(AAC) v. Auburn(SEC)

HAWAII
2016: Wyoming(MWC) v. BYU(Ind.)
2015: Boise St.(MWC) v. Cal(PAC)

DECEMBER 26
HEART OF DALLAS
2016: Tulsa(AAC) v. Boise St.(MWC)
2015: Memphis(AAC) v. San Diego St.(MWC)

DECEMBER 27
ARMED FORCES
2016: #25 Navy(AAC) v. Baylor(B12)
2015: Air Force(MWC) v. Washington(PAC)

MILITARY
2016: #24 Temple (AAC) v. Wake Forest(ACC)
2015: Navy(AAC) v. Pitt(ACC)

DECEMBER 28
LAS VEGAS
2016: San Diego St.(MWC) v. Houston(AAC)
2015: BYU(Ind) v. Utah (PAC)

DECEMBER 29
MIAMI BEACH
2016: South Florida (AAC) v. South Carolina(SEC)
2015: Temple(AAC) v. Virginia Tech(ACC)
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(02-27-2017 12:54 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 10:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 09:47 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 09:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 08:27 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I agree with you about lack of vision. One thing that would be challenging the two conferences at present would be PAC 12 and ACC. I think the ACC will be trying to upgrade their bowls.

I don't know if Citrus renews in 2020, it seems it would not due to the B10/Orange agreeement with the ACC. So assuming Citrus is a 12 year agreement, I think the ACC tries for following

Top 3
Orange, Outback vs SEC, Alamo vs B12,

Next 4
Gator vs SEC, Sun vs PAC, Pinstripe vs B!G, Belk vs SEC

Bottom 3 (Look for ESPN to try and move ACC to HOD and Birmingham)
HOD vs B12, Birmingham vs SEC, Detroit vs B10

Before the AAC fans go crazy, I could see the B10 replacing the ACC in Military and taking the ACC's spot in Indy.

Will this happen, who knows. But if the ACC success continues, they will do their best to leverage.

You don't see a single AAC/ACC bowl game happening? Come on, that's crazy. That would be like the PAC not playing the MWC in bowls. There will always be a few match ups of AAC vs ACC for regional and historical ties, rivalries and because of the butts in the seats the AAC provides. Oh, and the ACC in a bowl in San Antonio would be wonderful and hilarious. Boston College or NC St taking on Cal in front of 8,000 fans in the Alamo Bowl!

Cheers!

Actually, Alamo was suggested B12 not PAC. Not sure why Alamo would get rid of B12. In addition, Alamo was suggested top tier replacing Orlando vs B12 matchup. ACC would probably bring as many as PAC is currently bringing.

MWC and PAC play each other for time zone more than region. East coast football does not have that issue. I will admit that Military is probably closer for travel but with Navy I don't see that leaving the AAC. I think the ACC would be willing to forgo that bowl if they could replace it with Birmingham. Again, just my guessing, not saying it is happening.

If it makes you feel better, Indy would be the first to go if they could get HOD or Birmingham. If they could get both, then Military would be the next. Possibly if the ACC tries for 11 bids, I could see the Military replace St. Pete as where the last pick goes. I think the AAC would be better of getting a B!G team for Military, but I would be happy keeping the Military as the 11th tie-in. Just not sure how often the ACC would fill it, especially when Citrus gets added or if more than two go to CFP/Access Bowls.
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ACC fans don't show up to El Paso, and they won't go to San Antonio either. Is it about having a "P5" team in your bowl or having butts in the seats? You are dismissing one thing here: The ACC is not known for traveling fans to Bowls. AAC schools like ECU and Memphis show up for the bowls. Just because a school is a "P5" doesn't mean it's fans go to bowls. I'd rather have Boise St or BYU in the Alamo Bowl than any ACC school except Louisville. I remember Sun Bowls with ACC schools like Miami bringing a couple hundred fans. Boise would bring 20,000. ECU would bring 20,000 to the Belk Bowl. Not the Peach, the Belk. ECU would bring 40,000 to the Peach.
Cheers!

I will agree certain ACC schools don't show up while others do. I would never argue ECU football passion. They are a Rabid Fan Base but there are schools in the AAC that have poor turnout as well. The larger payout non CFP bowls are more about TV money then attendance. It is not like the old days when NCSU and ECU packed the Peach Bowl. It is more getting to the Prime Time post Christmas Bowl TV slots. For example, many of the ACC prime slots were 5:30 EST Kick Off. I am saying they rather have Alamo at 9pm Weeknight than Russell at 5:30pm week night. If attendance truly was a factor, then there wouldn't be as many bowl games. I do think for the smaller G5 bowls, attendance may matter. I will say the best thing to ever happen to the AAC was Ponsettia going bust. It should move Miami bowl from the worst pre Christmas slot in bowl history to a Primetime pre Christmas slot. 04-cheers

Interesting what you said about the Miami Beach Bowl benefiting from the Poinsettia going bust. IIRC, the Poinsetta wasn't a great slot either. Last year it was BYU and Wyoming on a weekday night and it had mecicore results.....two old bitter rivals who do travel to bowls should have been better. Also, MBB needs better tie ins. But I hope you are right:)

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RE: AAC/MWC/BYU/Army bowls vs all P5 opponents
(02-27-2017 02:45 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 12:54 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 10:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 09:47 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 09:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  You don't see a single AAC/ACC bowl game happening? Come on, that's crazy. That would be like the PAC not playing the MWC in bowls. There will always be a few match ups of AAC vs ACC for regional and historical ties, rivalries and because of the butts in the seats the AAC provides. Oh, and the ACC in a bowl in San Antonio would be wonderful and hilarious. Boston College or NC St taking on Cal in front of 8,000 fans in the Alamo Bowl!

Cheers!

Actually, Alamo was suggested B12 not PAC. Not sure why Alamo would get rid of B12. In addition, Alamo was suggested top tier replacing Orlando vs B12 matchup. ACC would probably bring as many as PAC is currently bringing.

MWC and PAC play each other for time zone more than region. East coast football does not have that issue. I will admit that Military is probably closer for travel but with Navy I don't see that leaving the AAC. I think the ACC would be willing to forgo that bowl if they could replace it with Birmingham. Again, just my guessing, not saying it is happening.

If it makes you feel better, Indy would be the first to go if they could get HOD or Birmingham. If they could get both, then Military would be the next. Possibly if the ACC tries for 11 bids, I could see the Military replace St. Pete as where the last pick goes. I think the AAC would be better of getting a B!G team for Military, but I would be happy keeping the Military as the 11th tie-in. Just not sure how often the ACC would fill it, especially when Citrus gets added or if more than two go to CFP/Access Bowls.
04-cheers

ACC fans don't show up to El Paso, and they won't go to San Antonio either. Is it about having a "P5" team in your bowl or having butts in the seats? You are dismissing one thing here: The ACC is not known for traveling fans to Bowls. AAC schools like ECU and Memphis show up for the bowls. Just because a school is a "P5" doesn't mean it's fans go to bowls. I'd rather have Boise St or BYU in the Alamo Bowl than any ACC school except Louisville. I remember Sun Bowls with ACC schools like Miami bringing a couple hundred fans. Boise would bring 20,000. ECU would bring 20,000 to the Belk Bowl. Not the Peach, the Belk. ECU would bring 40,000 to the Peach.
Cheers!

I will agree certain ACC schools don't show up while others do. I would never argue ECU football passion. They are a Rabid Fan Base but there are schools in the AAC that have poor turnout as well. The larger payout non CFP bowls are more about TV money then attendance. It is not like the old days when NCSU and ECU packed the Peach Bowl. It is more getting to the Prime Time post Christmas Bowl TV slots. For example, many of the ACC prime slots were 5:30 EST Kick Off. I am saying they rather have Alamo at 9pm Weeknight than Russell at 5:30pm week night. If attendance truly was a factor, then there wouldn't be as many bowl games. I do think for the smaller G5 bowls, attendance may matter. I will say the best thing to ever happen to the AAC was Ponsettia going bust. It should move Miami bowl from the worst pre Christmas slot in bowl history to a Primetime pre Christmas slot. 04-cheers

Interesting what you said about the Miami Beach Bowl benefiting from the Poinsettia going bust. IIRC, the Poinsetta wasn't a great slot either. Last year it was BYU and Wyoming on a weekday night and it had mecicore results.....two old bitter rivals who do travel to bowls should have been better. Also, MBB needs better tie ins. But I hope you are right:)

Cheers!
2.3 Million Viewers and 28k in attendance really isn't that bad for a bowl, especially a g-5 bowl.

2.380M BYU
Wyoming Poinsettia Bowl 9:16 PM ESPN
02-27-2017 02:49 PM
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