$100 million on a standalone football oasis including hologram rooms.....like WTF. Unfortunately young high school kids can be swayed easily without looking at the big picture. In fact, that's double the cost of BHS.
http://www.onlygators.com/02/22/2017/flo...-facility/

(02-22-2017 03:19 PM)otown Wrote:  $100 million on a standalone football oasis including hologram rooms.....like WTF. Unfortunately young high school kids can be swayed easily without looking at the big picture. In fact, that's double the cost of BHS.
http://www.onlygators.com/02/22/2017/flo...-facility/

plenty of P5 Teams won't be able to keep up with that either.

Ya..this is more of a top 20% P5 thing than a P5/G5 thing.

It's going to be the coaching salaries that will kill us... Not just Head Coaches, but especially the Assistant pool.

And not "eventually" but starting right now.

(02-22-2017 04:12 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  It's going to be the coaching salaries that will kill us... Not just Head Coaches, but especially the Assistant pool.

And not "eventually" but starting right now.

this is also more of a top level p5 vs everyone else thing. Top of AAC coaching pool is very competitive vs bottom half of the G5.

Elite P5

Bottom P5 - Elite G5

Bottom G5/G4

Lack of TV $$$$$ will sink the G5

ALL P5 schools will earn in excess of over
$30 million + more per yr than any G5 school

Now add 7 more years
until those TV contracts expire
@ the end of the 2024 season

Plus P5's gain more exposure, viewership, and PR which leads 2
more alumni/fan support, merchandise sales, and greater publicity

That's way over a $200 million "gap"
between any P5 school vs any G5 school
over that same time period

Many G5's will eventually agree
2 a G5/NIT playoff format
Just because of this HUGE $$$$ discrepancy.

(02-22-2017 04:54 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  Lack of TV $$$$$ will sink the G5

ALL P5 schools will earn in excess of over
$30 million + more per yr than any G5 school

Now add 7 more years
until those TV contracts expire
@ the end of the 2024 season

Plus P5's gain more exposure, viewership, and PR which leads 2
more alumni/fan support, merchandise sales, and greater publicity

That's way over a $200 million "gap"
between any P5 school vs any G5 school
over that same time period

Many G5's will eventually agree
2 a G5/NIT playoff format
Just because of this HUGE $$$$ discrepancy.

You were doing so well and then you got to the part in bold. LOL

What a waste of money...

(02-22-2017 04:54 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  Lack of TV $$$$$ will sink the G5

ALL P5 schools will earn in excess of over
$30 million + more per yr than any G5 school

Now add 7 more years
until those TV contracts expire
@ the end of the 2024 season

Plus P5's gain more exposure, viewership, and PR which leads 2
more alumni/fan support, merchandise sales, and greater publicity

That's way over a $200 million "gap"
between any P5 school vs any G5 school
over that same time period

Many G5's will eventually agree
2 a G5/NIT playoff format
Just because of this HUGE $$$$ discrepancy.

One thing you are discounting is that almost all G5s get a high percentage of University Support which P5s do not need or get to such an extreme degree. Many G5s get between 30-50% of their budget from the university funds whereas P5s are 0-5%.

This accounts for about $15-20M per G5 school which closes much of the TV Revenue gap. The other major gap is booster funds, which G5 schools pretty much all suck at except for a few (Uconn for one).

Blaming tv revenue is only part of the issue. As long as University Support is allowed, the problem that schools can control (fans) is still an issue that is fixable.

If the AAC got a 20M a year contract tomorrow it would likely result in a major decrease in university support for all of those schools and the two differences (increased TV Money, decreased University Support) would net. The major increase would actually come from increased fan and booster support, hopefully. That is why a school like Florida can afford this whereas a school like vanderbilt, in the same conference with the same tv revenues, cannot.

The gap is so wide right now between the P5 and G5 that over time, we just can't compete/keep up. Even if the AAC gets a bump to $5mil/team/year it isn't enough in this race. We will be better off than the other G5's, sure, but not enough to hold a 'tweener' status over time, so really, it won't matter. It just means we will be the class of the "new FCS" because once the G5 playoff starts, we will be the new FCS in the minds eye of the casual fan. Aresco can say today that the AAC won't join, but I don't think it is that simple...

People don't want to hear this but simple math bears this out. All of the G5 will be forced into a playoff (which none of us want right now) because we will need the money. This will be the final demarcation that there is truly a difference between the P5 and G5 in the public mind (just like the difference between FBS and FCS today). Right now there is a difference (thanks to things like ESPN always pushing the narrative) but true fans know the line between the lower P5 and upper G5 is blurry at best. But after another seven years of the money gap and add in the G4 playoff and that blurry line will clear up.

You can't say things like, "We've made it fine thus far" etc. because nothing like the current financial discrepancy has been in place until now. This isn't 1990, 2000, or even 2005. The game has changed.

Some here may get a 'call up' if the P5 expands, and they may. But those that don't will slowly see their program/g5 conference sink to the new fcs.

I'd love for somebody to take a moment and show me why this is wrong. Its depressing as heck.

The gap widening?

There are simply too many good players for that to ever happen.

Money goes so far.

A nice bump in our contract will allow us to provide the important things for the athletes. Beyond those expenses are really frivolous crap, like waterfalls in locker rooms. That kind of crap wont kill us.

If the autonomy conferences could offer more schollys again, that would be the end.

However, I doubt that's going to happen.

(02-23-2017 07:47 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  The gap widening?

There are simply too many good players for that to ever happen.

Money goes so far.

If the autonomy conferences could offer more schollys again, that would be the end.

However, I don't think that's going to happen.

Whats to say they wont?

They threaten the ncaa with this or they break off and form a new league could happen. Either way, they get their wish.

(02-23-2017 07:49 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 07:47 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  The gap widening?

There are simply too many good players for that to ever happen.

Money goes so far.

If the autonomy conferences could offer more schollys again, that would be the end.

However, I don't think that's going to happen.

Whats to say they wont?

They threaten the ncaa with this or they break off and form a new league could happen. Either way, they get their wish.

That would be Armageddon..

But, in a way, I think the current environment with the star system helps us.

Its such a crude system that has the facade of being another score based competition.

In a way, the star system retards talent evaluation for the autonomy conferences and you have all of those schools fighting prolonged wars for the same kids.

AAC coaches have a lot more creativity in talent evaluation and acquisition. We can show the right kids love, early on in the process.

Tom Herman couldn't offer a player like Bryson Smith as a QB at Texas, even though he did at Houston. Don't get me wrong, Ehlinger is good BUT Smith (Ward protege) is the prototype for the offense that made him at Houston (and OSU). Its an offense that would probably get Ehlinger hurt again.

It reminds me of 08 when Texas would not offer RG3 at QB.

Talent procurement is just bound by rigid practices in those conferences, and coaches really have to defend a "reach".

I like where the AAC is positioned in that way. Our coaches have free reign.

I'm wondering if we'll start seeing more blue chips like Ed Oliver make the choice he made. Going to Houston has actually worked very well for his career. He's making many pre season Heisman lists from the AAC.

Houston just pulled another top **** DL from Louisiana to play with Ed.

(02-23-2017 07:42 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  The gap is so wide right now between the P5 and G5 that over time, we just can't compete/keep up. Even if the AAC gets a bump to $5mil/team/year it isn't enough in this race. We will be better off than the other G5's, sure, but not enough to hold a 'tweener' status over time, so really, it won't matter. It just means we will be the class of the "new FCS" because once the G5 playoff starts, we will be the new FCS in the minds eye of the casual fan. Aresco can say today that the AAC won't join, but I don't think it is that simple...

People don't want to hear this but simple math bears this out. All of the G5 will be forced into a playoff (which none of us want right now) because we will need the money. This will be the final demarcation that there is truly a difference between the P5 and G5 in the public mind (just like the difference between FBS and FCS today). Right now there is a difference (thanks to things like ESPN always pushing the narrative) but true fans know the line between the lower P5 and upper G5 is blurry at best. But after another seven years of the money gap and add in the G4 playoff and that blurry line will clear up.

You can't say things like, "We've made it fine thus far" etc. because nothing like the current financial discrepancy has been in place until now. This isn't 1990, 2000, or even 2005. The game has changed.

Some here may get a 'call up' if the P5 expands, and they may. But those that don't will slowly see their program/g5 conference sink to the new fcs.

I'd love for somebody to take a moment and show me why this is wrong. Its depressing as heck.

The"G5 Playoff" isn't happening for the simple reason that there is no pot of gold waiting for a G5 playoff. TV currently pays a combined 52 million for ALL the G5 regular season rights. That pretty much tells you they aren't paying 160 million for a handful of games at the seasons end determining the 66th best team in college football. If G5 champ vs G5 champ games were so valuable then a bowl with a HUGE payout would exist pitting G5 champs.

So, ask yourself---Why don't don't those high payout G5 champ vs G5 champ bowls exist?

(02-23-2017 07:47 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Beyond those expenses are really frivolous crap, like waterfalls in locker rooms. That kind of crap wont kill us.

thats just it........ the frivolous crap will hurt us...... wont kill us..... but will hurt us. remember, they are trying to woo young immature high school kids........... some do fall for this crap.

As mentioned, this isn't solely a P5 vs G5 thing. The bottom 50% of P5s don't seem to get that they're enabling 12-20 programs to dominate the sport year in and out. Wake forest or BC can't keep up with FSU or Clemson. The PAC, outside of maybe Oregon and USC can't keep up with Ohio State and Bama. If things continue the system will only funnel down to fewer and fewer programs either in actuality or in practice. Increasing the scholarship limit likely hurts the middle tier and lower tier P5s more than anyone else.

The bottom line is that players want to be on the field, and there are only so 22 starting jobs and about 50 players that are going to get much playing time each year. No matter how many bells and whistles a university has, we've all got 11 guys on the field at a time, and all our games will be on TV. That's enough to keep us competitive.

(02-23-2017 11:09 AM)Chappy Wrote:  The bottom line is that players want to be on the field, and there are only so 22 starting jobs and about 50 players that are going to get much playing time each year. No matter how many bells and whistles a university has, we've all got 11 guys on the field at a time, and all our games will be on TV. That's enough to keep us competitive.

I think if they ever increased their scholarship number you would see massive amounts of transfers after the Sophomore year. Kids will always want to go play for elite P5 schools especially when they continue to build multi million dollar playgrounds that are nicer than NFL facilities but they also all dream of playing in the NFL and that dream is damn sure not going to be achieved sitting on the sidelines pulling for your dream P5 school.

If the P5 schools ever increased the scholarship number I would say the G5 would need to tell what is left of the NCAA that we will accept transfers from the P5 without having to sit out 1 year. I am guessing the P5 would be able to do the same thing but there would be way more kids transferring from P5 to G5 for playing time then the other way around.

what we really need to be concerned about is if states start banning university support of athletics. Until that happens, the largest difference in athletic budgets is ticket and booster revenue which schools can control (to an extent). The TV money is largely offset by university support at almost all G5 schools. If all AAC schools had as much ticket revenue or booster revenue as the average P5 you'd see our budgets increase by $30M and would be directly in line with the average P5 budget. Heck, Uconn is already there! With a budget of 70M+ Uconn is mid pack P5, without TV Revenue. The rest of us simply need to step up in terms of fan support and booster monies.

The side effect of increase fan support and booster monies is we then become more attractive to TV and bowls. So the problem we can't control (TV revenues) suddenly is solved by the problem we could control (Fan and booster support).

(02-23-2017 11:49 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  what we really need to be concerned about is if states start banning university support of athletics. Until that happens, the largest difference in athletic budgets is ticket and booster revenue which schools can control (to an extent). The TV money is largely offset by university support at almost all G5 schools. If all AAC schools had as much ticket revenue or booster revenue as the average P5 you'd see our budgets increase by $30M and would be directly in line with the average P5 budget. Heck, Uconn is already there! With a budget of 70M+ Uconn is mid pack P5, without TV Revenue. The rest of us simply need to step up in terms of fan support and booster monies.

The side effect of increase fan support and booster monies is we then become more attractive to TV and bowls. So the problem we can't control (TV revenues) suddenly is solved by the problem we could control (Fan and booster support).

I think if you can get to the $50 million dollar budget threshold or higher you are in the neighborhood to compete. There will always be a huge divide between the top 20 Elite College Football Programs in the country and the other 100+ competing. They will get first choice on recruits etc.. and build Taj Mahal facilities that nobody can compete with but no reason why the Top half of the AAC Football schools can not compete with 60-70% of P5 schools

AAC could use a bump in the next TV contract but definitely need more ticket revenue to compete. For ECU it would help us to get competitive again in FB so we can sell 45k-50k Football tickets. If are BB stopped sucking so bad we could actually increase our revenue significantly with some BB revenue.