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(02-27-2017 09:22 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  Anybody have any thoughts on All-Defensive Team?

Baker NMSU, Basile CSUB, & Westendorf SU were All Defensive Team members last year. I know Coach Majerle will probably be lobbying hard for Martin, though he doesn't rank in or near Top 10 in any typically defensive stats (rebounds, steals, blocks). Frayer ranks in all 3, but I don't thing any are high enough to warrant a freshman getting that kind of love from conference coaches.

Maybe there is something in the advanced metrics that prove out Martin belongs. Maybe throw in a rim protector (Palmer) or two (Nielson). I don't think the senior players from last year's defensive team have dropped off at all, so maybe we are only looking at filling 2 spots.
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(02-28-2017 02:18 AM)gleadley Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 09:22 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  Anybody have any thoughts on All-Defensive Team?

Baker NMSU, Basile CSUB, & Westendorf SU were All Defensive Team members last year. I know Coach Majerle will probably be lobbying hard for Martin, though he doesn't rank in or near Top 10 in any typically defensive stats (rebounds, steals, blocks). Frayer ranks in all 3, but I don't thing any are high enough to warrant a freshman getting that kind of love from conference coaches.

Maybe there is something in the advanced metrics that prove out Martin belongs. Maybe throw in a rim protector (Palmer) or two (Nielson). I don't think the senior players from last year's defensive team have dropped off at all, so maybe we are only looking at filling 2 spots.

What I look at is charges cause if you're playing good defense, chances are you are drawing offensive fouls. Now I know that it isn't tracked by anyone that I know, but I know he's drawn at least one a game and most games it is more than that. The other thing that I would look at would be plus/minus, but again, I don't know if there is any site that tracks it.
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I'm sure that is all tracked (maybe KenPom?), but whether voters care is a whole other matter. GCU fans who watch Martin on an every game basis know what he brings on the defensive side, but I'm not sure it translates for the casual observer. If I wasn't a GCU fan, I'd probably be baffled how a kid who averages just 5 point per game is also among the WAC leaders in minutes played at almost 30mins/game. That math doesn't make sense.
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(02-28-2017 03:41 AM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  What I look at is charges cause if you're playing good defense, chances are you are drawing offensive fouls. Now I know that it isn't tracked by anyone that I know, but I know he's drawn at least one a game and most games it is more than that. The other thing that I would look at would be plus/minus, but again, I don't know if there is any site that tracks it.

I found an advanced metric site for the WAC that might be the death of me HERE. Haha.

So, Martin does rank 3rd in the WAC for DBPM. Coach Majerle will undoubtedly make his case. We'll see if it resonates with enough of the other coaches/voters.
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(02-28-2017 12:49 PM)gleadley Wrote:  
(02-28-2017 03:41 AM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  What I look at is charges cause if you're playing good defense, chances are you are drawing offensive fouls. Now I know that it isn't tracked by anyone that I know, but I know he's drawn at least one a game and most games it is more than that. The other thing that I would look at would be plus/minus, but again, I don't know if there is any site that tracks it.

I found an advanced metric site for the WAC that might be the death of me HERE. Haha.

So, Martin does rank 3rd in the WAC for DBPM. Coach Majerle will undoubtedly make his case. We'll see if it resonates with enough of the other coaches/voters.

Let's just be done with this and make GCU starting 5 the WAC 1st team, Russell POY, Majerle COY and our nominee for our next president of the United States, and WAC 2nd team 5 players from the GCU bench.01-donnankungfu
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(02-28-2017 12:49 PM)gleadley Wrote:  
(02-28-2017 03:41 AM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  What I look at is charges cause if you're playing good defense, chances are you are drawing offensive fouls. Now I know that it isn't tracked by anyone that I know, but I know he's drawn at least one a game and most games it is more than that. The other thing that I would look at would be plus/minus, but again, I don't know if there is any site that tracks it.

I found an advanced metric site for the WAC that might be the death of me HERE. Haha.

So, Martin does rank 3rd in the WAC for DBPM. Coach Majerle will undoubtedly make his case. We'll see if it resonates with enough of the other coaches/voters.

Good find, Gleadly, thanks!
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(02-28-2017 12:49 PM)gleadley Wrote:  
(02-28-2017 03:41 AM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  What I look at is charges cause if you're playing good defense, chances are you are drawing offensive fouls. Now I know that it isn't tracked by anyone that I know, but I know he's drawn at least one a game and most games it is more than that. The other thing that I would look at would be plus/minus, but again, I don't know if there is any site that tracks it.

I found an advanced metric site for the WAC that might be the death of me HERE. Haha.

So, Martin does rank 3rd in the WAC for DBPM. Coach Majerle will undoubtedly make his case. We'll see if it resonates with enough of the other coaches/voters.

He's also 5th in DWS, 5th in steals average, and 5th in steal percentage.
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What about drawing charges, because Martin owns at that! I have no idea how he gets into position so quickly, but it would drive me crazy if I was an opposing player, Coach, or fan.
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(02-28-2017 03:04 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  
(02-28-2017 12:49 PM)gleadley Wrote:  
(02-28-2017 03:41 AM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  What I look at is charges cause if you're playing good defense, chances are you are drawing offensive fouls. Now I know that it isn't tracked by anyone that I know, but I know he's drawn at least one a game and most games it is more than that. The other thing that I would look at would be plus/minus, but again, I don't know if there is any site that tracks it.

I found an advanced metric site for the WAC that might be the death of me HERE. Haha.

So, Martin does rank 3rd in the WAC for DBPM. Coach Majerle will undoubtedly make his case. We'll see if it resonates with enough of the other coaches/voters.

Let's just be done with this and make GCU starting 5 the WAC 1st team, Russell POY, Majerle COY and our nominee for our next president of the United States, and WAC 2nd team 5 players from the GCU bench.01-donnankungfu

I am in no way saying everyone on our team deserves awards, but give credit where credit is due. I wouldn't even put Josh on 2nd team All-WAC despite how he has been playing down the stretch and I sure as hell don't believe that Majerle deserves coach of the year.
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(02-28-2017 03:30 PM)gleadley Wrote:  What about drawing charges, because Martin owns at that! I have no idea how he gets into position so quickly, but it would drive me crazy if I was an opposing player, Coach, or fan.

I don't know if KenPom tracks it. I tried looking, but if you want to look at any of the stats you need a subscription, which is kinda annoying.
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