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RE: 2017 MLB Season Thread
(07-16-2017 12:07 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 11:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  coming out of the break, Colorado's plunge has continued. Now only 19-22 in the last 41 games(or in another way- 1/4 of the season). Now only 5.5 games up on the Cubs for the 2nd Wild Card spot. In the last 9 games- vs Cincy, White Sox, and Mets- 3 not good teams- they are only 4-5.

and also not surprising: Dbacks are 3-10 in their last 13

yeah, but before that they were 11-2 in their prior 13. A lot different long term period for Arizona. Also, the DBacks have had their struggles with St Louis, LA, and Atlanta- LA of course is unreal right now, Atlanta is .500 right now, and St Louis is the worst of those 3.

A LOT more of a long term problem with Colorado than Arizona. When you in 42 games are only 20-22, you aren't good.
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RE: 2017 MLB Season Thread
(07-16-2017 02:16 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 12:05 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 11:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 10:34 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  With 13-14 starts remaining, Sale's ERA is 2.59 and Kluber's is 2.86. Sale has thrown 35 more innings, has 4 more wins, 56 more K's and both have 24 BB.

why do you quote innings like it's some huge determinant? It's not. Voters don't give a flip about innings- as long as you have at least 180 innings, you have a chance...

The ERA, wins, K's- now THOSE are why Sale would win the Cy Young.

And the biggest thing- the season isn't over yet. Sale has to continue to pitch well.

I quote innings, not because the voters care, but because if everything else is mostly equal, they'd turn to innings and say, well they've been the same pitcher, but Sale has done it by pitching a full season and Kluber has not

I know WAR means squat to most voters, but it's fun to look at. MLB leaders fWAR/bWAR:
Sale 5.8/4.4
Scherzer 4.7/5.4
Kershaw 3.7/3.7
Kluber 3.6/3.8

Worth noting that baseball reference has Gio right behind Scherzer at 4.4 and both Stroman and Vargas ahead of Kluber.
0.6 in WAR(the gap between Sale and Kluber) is not that huge. At all. Sale can't slump.
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(07-16-2017 06:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  0.6 in WAR(the gap between Sale and Kluber) is not that huge.

Agree.

Quote:At all.

Still agree!

Quote:Sale can't slump.

Well, sure he can, if:
1) Kluber slumps
2) If Sale only slumps *a wee bit*
3) bWAR doesn't mean anything in Cy Young voting (it doesn't)
4) The Tom Tango model is remotely accurate (I dunno; it seems pretty good but it's still a behavior predictor so I wouldn't put money on it.)

Look, I'm just screwing around here. I didn't post those WAR numbers for any reason other than they (at least, the fWAR number) appear to generally see the top 4 pitchers as the same 4 we've been discussing. That's it. They're interesting, but the fact that fWAR and bWAR can sometimes be so disparate tells you that we can't rely on them TOO much.
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1 thing that's amazing to me is here we are on July 17, and there are only 73 guys that are eligible for the ERA title(so at least 1 inning per game played for their team).

Only 96 guys even have 80 innings right now. And only 118 have even 70 innings. It's just a totally different era that we live in today.
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Nats with the way to start the game today vs Reds. 2 guys get on then a Harper homer. Followed by a Zimmerman homer(he becomes franchise leader in homers- passes Vlad Guerrero).
07-17-2017 12:15 PM
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(07-16-2017 02:25 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 12:10 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  I'm confused by this trade. The Nats got two very good relievers and traded absolutely nothing.

In other words, a giveaway, like every other trade Beane & Co. have made over the last few years. 03-banghead

On the plus size, errr, plus side, the fat A-ball infielder acquired by the A's in this deal reportedly pronounces his last name "Noisy". So at least we got that.

yeah most of the A's trades have been rather weak. That teams needs an infusion of optimism in the form of a new ballpark. I feel like Oakland should be able to provide a viable site

The A's do need a new stadium -- or, what is more likely, an Angel Stadium-like renovation of the Coliseum into a baseball-only park -- but they can't blame the Coliseum for the fact that they are not getting enough in return in trades over the last few years.
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the thing that i find remarkable is that Mike Rizzo can make trades with almost anyone. He's stolen so many trades with the Nats the last few years.
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wow not only did Zimmerman break the franchise record in homers, but he also tied none other than Andre Dawson with his 7th season of 20 or more homers in a year. Pretty darn good company.
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(07-17-2017 12:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  the thing that i find remarkable is that Mike Rizzo can make trades with almost anyone. He's stolen so many trades with the Nats the last few years.

Once upon a time, Billy Beane was the guy that every other GM dreaded trading with. Now he's someone they are eager to trade with. 03-banghead
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Rockies beat the Padres and are now only .5 behind the Dbacks
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