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RE: Brad Bates resigns as Boston College athletic director
(02-22-2017 12:16 PM)green Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 10:57 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  If you know how strong of an athletic program Miami has historically been and how weak it was when BC hired Bates from us

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Brad Bates resigns as Boston College athletic director
FWIW, I have spent time on both campuses and know a bit about each school. Both are outstanding institutions. Both have impressive curriculums and, while very different, they each have beautiful campuses.
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"Untapped potential" is what they say about Tulane, too. I don't know if that's a tag line I want near my athletic program.
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(02-22-2017 11:32 AM)green Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 06:17 PM)p23570 Wrote:  BC's best days are behind them. Recruits don't even know who Doug Flutie is.

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Recruits still dont' know who Doug Flutie is.
02-23-2017 01:08 AM
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(02-22-2017 12:25 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 10:54 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 10:34 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 06:17 PM)p23570 Wrote:  LOL. Just waiting to be tapped?

BC's best days are behind them. Recruits don't even know who Doug Flutie is. The problem is like more widespread than just the AD as well. I think they just lack the resources to compete at the p-5 level for a variety of reasons but the biggest being fan support and finances.

But on the bright side they do have a great hockey program which is the only sport they have a NC in. That has to be valuable.

So where will they look for the replacement?

So much foolishness in this post. No resources? BC is a very wealthy school with an endowment close to $3B. They are spending in $200M in facilities upgrades, including a new indoor practice facility (construction starting in May) to go along with the FB building built in the past 10 years.

When the ACCN arrives in 2019, it will be able to leverage cable carriage from the 8th largest and one of the wealthiest markets in the US (Greater Boston) as a result of BC. It always amazes me how some just don't understand that dynamic.

No fans. Yeah, right.
The old fallback. When AD finances dont' add up talk about endowment.

Endowment is irrelevant, just ask Rice.

BC is only falling further behind in the facilites race. They simply don't have the $ to be anywhere approaching top tier facilities. Everyone is doing projects and I doubt BC's are even mid level p-5.

BC is not going to carry Massachusetts or even Boston from a tV perspective. ACC penetration in Boston is non existent aside from Notre Dame.

TV ratings and attendance confirms BC is in a tough spot and nowhere near the fanbase that it woudl take to carry that market. Aside from Wake BC might be the smallest fanbase in the ACC.

TV ratings
Week 1
— 682K Ga. Tech
Boston College ACC 7:30 AM ESPN2
2
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3
214K Boston College
Virginia Tech ACC 3:35 PM ESPNU
4
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5
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6
1.0 1.659M Clemson
Bos. College ACC 7:25 PM ESPN
7
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8
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9
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10
0.4 653K Louisville
Boston College ACC 12:00 PM ESPN2
11
1.152M Bos. College
FSU ACC 7:25 PM ESPN2
12
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13
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So after looking at the TV rating for the year do you really think they can carry a huge market?

Looks to me like they only are on TV when they play a highly rated team and even then the ratings are very disappointing and indicate little fan support for BC.

And on attendance.
Football still has games in the low 20's and the better games are in the mid 30's. One of the lowest in the p-5
Basketball 3k to 5k for most games is one of the worst in p-5.
Womens BB has anywhere from a few hundred people to 1,000. One of the worst in the p-5

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but there is no way in hell BC is going to carry Boston, let alone Massachusetts. ACCN is going to struggle in those situations IMO. Nobody in Boston watches BC in person or on TV so yes clearly there is a fan support issue. Glad we got that straight.

Dead last in the ACC in BB
Boston College 2-13 9-19

And also last in the ACC in WBB
Boston College 2-12 9-18

I'm nost sure that job is really that attractive.

Oh please, you know squat about BC. I have lived in the Boston area all my life. Have you? When BC is good, they have very good ratings and good attendance. Obviously, you ignored the video I attached. Not surprising.

Check out the ratings for BC's bowl this year. The ratings were outstanding for the bowl they were in.

If you knew anything about the Boston market, you would know that BC FB games are already on NESN, the Region's premier cable network. When the ACCN comes, it will likely be on Basic and the network will receive carriage for every cable box, regardless of what people are watching. That's how it works.

So, you are an expert on endowments now? I don't know how Rice uses its resources to fund athletics, but I told you that BC is investing $200M in upgraded facilities THIS YEAR ALONE! The claim that BC doesn't have the resources is just BS from someone who doesn't know the first thing about the school.

Yeah, BB is down now. But that won't be forever. Things are cyclical. Such is the nature of college sports.
I don't have to know about BC to look at TV ratings and attendance to tell you this is one of the smallest fanbases in the p-5 and there is no way in hell they are going to carry anything beyond campus with those numbers.

BC isn't' on TV becasue nobody watches them ESPN always picks the best games. IS that not obvious to you?

BC had terrible ratings for the year. Most schools had single games with more national viewers than BC had all season combined and that was because of FSU, Clemson, and Louisville. Literally BC is rarely on national TV and were a ratings killer for schools like FSU and Clemson who normally do much better. Anybody can look at those TV ratings and tell you they are terrible.

Attendance is horrid. 3k fans for a home BB game. 22k fans for a FB game. 150 for a WBB game. That's high school type numbers in there son.

Endowments have almost nothing to do with athletics so your desperate attempts to bring that back up are well desperate. To prove this RIce has a huge endowment, in C-USA. Another fail by you.

LOL. You still think BC's 200m upgrade is a big deal. Bless your heart. I hate to break it to you but everybody in the country is doing upgrades and BC is certainly not keeping pace. Another fail.

I think we all have issues looking at our teams and being realistic about them and you are not basing your opinions on the reality of yoru attendance and TV ratings.


I just dont' think this job is what you think it is in the grand scheme of things. I'd much rather be AD at UConn than BC. BC is the kind of place you go to get fired and ruin your career. Kinda like the current BB and WBB coaches.

It's pretty clear the person who doesn't know here is you. Thanks for proving my point for me. IF you still sing the same old song and dance after looking at those numbers you are just a homer. nothing wrong with being a homer but at least admit it.
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Funny stuff
http://www.bcinterruption.com/2017/2/21/...r-new-hire
f course there will be loads of rumors floating around, and writers who will be pronouncing every possible candidate the next AD. You will hear the usual names with connections like Jim Paquette at Loyola, Ed McClaughlin at VCU and of course Doug Flutie’s name will be thrown there because reasons.

Experience at a school with a competitive football and basketball program: We saw what happened with Bates, coming from Miami (OH), a MAC school with no real history of winning. BC can’t have that.
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(02-23-2017 01:38 AM)p23570 Wrote:  Experience at a school with a competitive football and basketball program: We saw what happened with Bates, coming from Miami (OH), a MAC school with no real history of winning. BC can’t have that.

Might wanna do a bit of research before saying Miami has no history of winning. We were an upper tier mid major when Bates took over, but we're still getting out of the hole he dug us.
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(02-23-2017 08:43 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(02-23-2017 01:38 AM)p23570 Wrote:  Experience at a school with a competitive football and basketball program: We saw what happened with Bates, coming from Miami (OH), a MAC school with no real history of winning. BC can’t have that.

Might wanna do a bit of research before saying Miami has no history of winning. We were an upper tier mid major when Bates took over, but we're still getting out of the hole he dug us.

LOL. That was from the article. Not my quote. But nice try.
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(02-22-2017 10:26 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(02-22-2017 12:16 PM)green Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 10:57 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  If you know how strong of an athletic program Miami has historically been and how weak it was when BC hired Bates from us

http://miami.edu/

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